Barack Obama
Related: About this forumDawson Leery
(19,368 posts)It is about time a Democratic President called them on it.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)The defeat of the national reciprocity amendment is a major defeat for the NRA.
They tried a poison pen amendment and it failed big time.
That would have weakened or obliterated the states that had good gun control had it taken place.
They tried to pull a fast one.
babylonsister
(171,610 posts)now this is good news? Seriously, I'm glad you're talking.
Thanks for educating me. I am not familiar with the particulars of what was won/lost, all I know about are the basics, and the President's reaction.
And now I need to read all about the national reciprocity amendment.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)There were battles lost
There was a big battle won.
Unfortunately hundreds, thousands will die.
Why can't the NRA just give it up now?
But their time is ending.
Like a panademic. It takes a while for a vaccine to be made, and distributed.
President Obama's speech today was a battle cry. I never heard of any national leader speak out so strongly agaisnt the NRA or any super pac like this.
The beginning of the end is coming.
But unfortunately many people will still die and be wounded.
The NRA and the gun folk know this, which is why they are trying so hard to hold on.
But we will win.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)It applies to all of our battles, political social personal.
Wars are made up of many battles and many get lost.
Doesn't mean the war is lost.
lastlib
(24,909 posts)Sadly, more children, and mothers, and fathers will die before we bury the NRA in the dustbin of history. But we WILL win!!
Boomerproud
(8,411 posts)I don't understand how the NRA leadership can look anyone in the eye. I also hope we win this war in our lifetimes.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I always thought that anyone allowed to buy a gun should be forced to listen to hours of 911 recordings where people called to report accidental, deadly shootings, especially of/by children. They should have to sit there and listen to some kid screaming he just shot his little brother, until the lesson sinks in. Then maybe they wouldn't even buy a gun after that. At the very least they deserve to have nightmares.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Can you imagine them giving Obama or anyone speaking against the media owners equal time with LePew, Jones or Pratt?
They gave them free air time to spout the lies and are a major part of why people continue to call their politicans to defeat the bills. The NRA have been consistent fighters against gun control, not single event ones.
The media distracts, detracts and misinforms daily on every venue to shut us down.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)mehrrh
(233 posts)The media would rather keep the issues roiling than present the truths. They give the NRA and LaPierre air time, not challenging their twisted version of facts -- the media did not counter their lies about what was written in the bill.
I was glad to see the president actually use the word "lies" in his furious response to the defeat of the bill.
(Fox News never even covered the message, but that comes as no surprise.)
The media should be ashamed, they fail us time and time again.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)Cha
(305,425 posts)Cha
(305,425 posts)TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
Mark Barden lost his son Daniel at Sandy Hook; today VP Biden said sorry for the actions of the Senate's NRA puppets. https://twitter.com/TheObamaDiary/status/324653081801412610/photo/1
freshwest
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And there will be a next time, and a time after that. We have only begun the road back to sanity after years:Cha
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over.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I just hope he doesn't give up.
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babylonsister
(171,610 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Ads hole
Cha
(305,425 posts)of the Sandy Hook Victims and Survivors of Gun Violence Wanted Passed.
There's many threads where you can post about SS.. this isn't one of them.
sheshe2
(87,496 posts)Another attempt at an SS, hijacking?
Thanks for the pic you posted with Biden's hug. Powerful!
Cha
(305,425 posts)President Obama embraces Nicole Hockley, who lost a son in the Sandy Hook shootings, after he delivered a statement on the Senates failure to pass a measure to expanded gun background checkshttp://theobamadiary.com/
sorry, I forgot to credit who it was before but it's fixed now.
Nicole Hockley who lost her son, Dylan. is being embraced by PBO
Oh my gosh. Who could say no to those eyes?
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)CapnSteve
(256 posts)...until we vote them out in 2014!
I feel like I am talking to my teenagers (only they actually listen!): actions have consequences.
firenewt
(298 posts)10%. Apparently there is nothing we can appeal to other than money - right or wrong don't mean shit.
ellennelle
(614 posts)i appreciate that he spoke so forcefully about this, but he really needs to go full throttle and tell the whole truth.
this is not about the senators being worried about gun owners; in fact, this defies logic, given he just noted that 90% of americans wanted this bill to pass.
no no; these senators are not afraid of the voters, and they're not afraid of gun owners; they're afraid of the NRA, which represents gun manufacturers, the real culprits in all this.
when he or anyone in congress shows the guts to say that, then the world will sit up and take notice.
don't hold your breath.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I have to smile whenever I run across an op-ed piece -- on CNN's site, say -- asserting this as if it's something new. It's quite clear that these days the NRA is nothing more than a lobbying organization for the gun manufacturers.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)It is supposed to maim and kill. Nice way to make a living.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)If you mean they are afraid of losing campaign contributions from the NRA , you are correct. As for the gun manufacturers, I suspect many would go along with reasonable controls such as gun locks, and gun registration, since it woulld not have a significant effect on their sales in total and the willingness to appear a good citizen might even help their business. No it is not the Smith & Wessons or the Colt companies but rather the makers of overpriced large capacity magazines and bump fire stocks who appeal to the killer ego who would object. We need to fight these magazine and stock manufacturers and the NRA. By the way the largest corporate contributor to the NRA is a manufacturer of high capacity magazines.
OnlinePoker
(5,833 posts)...the first thing I thought about when I saw this picture is that Joe Biden is channeling his inner grumpy cat.
You may now resume the discussion.
OneGrassRoot
(23,424 posts)True!
OneGrassRoot
(23,424 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Grumpy Cat throws her support behind gun control.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)... want to yank his chain.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)he was about to cry, in that photo and the one with Mark Barden.
Indyfan53
(482 posts)hvn_nbr_2
(6,606 posts)I'd say there was never a snowball's chance you-know-where that CorpoPravda would go there.
Hekate
(94,665 posts)He called them out for the liars they are. He called them out by the political party they are in.
I don't want to read any more shit about primarying Democrats who aren't pure enough or Socialist enough or Green enough, unless they voted against this bill. No more. If the Left lets the Congress go even more to the Right than it already is, we will have only ourselves to blame.
babylonsister
(171,610 posts)those clowns who diss him, they are happily missing on this thread. Thank you!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)I'm here. President OBama made a great speech. Credit where credit is due.
KT2000
(20,838 posts)he expressed his anger very well - and likely represented 90% of the population.
babylonsister
(171,610 posts)and it wasn't about their constituents.
sheshe2
(87,496 posts)Thanks babylonsister.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The pathetic media are the last people who will Go There. Their jobs depend on them not going there. Dog forbid they should actually practice journalism, instead of propping up the status quo and the corporate power structure.