This is getting soooo old. . .

[madamesilverspurs]

[Lady Freedom Returns]

1. I can relate to that pic.

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Feels like some are throwing us and Obama under.

[Isoldeblue]

8. That's exactly how I feel!

I'm back, if that's ok? It's cold and ugly out there...........

[Cha]

9. It's more than "okay". I saw your

thread, Isoldeblue.. thank you.

[Isoldeblue]

11. Thank you!

(I posted this reply to me first by accident and not you, Cha.... )

And thanks for your nice comment in that horrible thread, Cha. I felt like I had been beaten up, after that.

Anyway, Lady Freedom Returns mailed me and invited me to the group. I unsubscribed a couple days ago, because I felt hypocritical about my doubts about President Obama over CCPI and a couple other things. Then today, I decided that I am going to stand by him and believe he has our best interests at heart. Until I know otherwise, I am going to trust my instincts about him. And If I'm called a fool for that, well watch me care!
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTT!

[Cha]

12. President Obama treats everyone with respect, Isoldeblue..

his enemies not so much.

PBO has been there for me so many times.. I'm not about to abandon him when it gets popular to do so.

[anotherone]

15. respect with a missile

He sure does. Like all the innocent Women, Men, and children he respected with his drone strikes. Now that's respect!

[Cha]

16. I'm sure he feels bad about that shit. The US Military is trying

to protect us from those who would kill millions if they had a chance.

[NYC_SKP]

18. Nice knowin' ya...

[In_The_Wind]

19. Really ~ anotherone

[Whisp]

17. yep :)

very much how I feel. He has been falsely accused of so much here on DU, for years now, - and every one of his massive corporate shill sins against the poor person turns out to be a bag of b.s. Rightwing hate of Obama here on DU is nauseating and it's the same batch of peddlers that push that crap every time.

He is doing what he can with the hands that are dealt him - and considering all the opposition he is facing every freaking day, even from his own 'side', it is amazing anything great and good gets done at all.

There is nothing he has said or done that would make me doubt his sincerity. Calling him a shill for the super rich is hilarious and just plain stupid. Like he got his connections to the superrich world when he was in community service, or was it when he was going to school in that exotic country of Hawaii - that's where he secretly met with all the bankers and wall streeters. oiy, sheesh.

[Cha]

2. Riiiiiiiiiight.. 'cause that's all that's acceptable.

Pres. Obama & Jillian Soto (sister of Victoria, teacher killed at Sandy Hook) exit AF1 at Andrews.
Photo: @petesouza pic.twitter.com/lSF5edB0Wm

Excuse me while I differ.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

3. Like the pic!

[madamesilverspurs]

4. Not at all.

The point being that it most certainly should be permissable to offer a positive perspective without getting reamed for doing so. Disagreement is one thing, the rampant viciousness is a whole nother animal.

[Cha]

5. Oh I know,

madame.. I got your excellent point loud and clear. Sorry, if it came off like I didn't.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

6. +1 n/t

[delrem]

7. The Dems shouldn't be a house divided.

Unifying moves are those that recognize that progressive as well as third-way ideas are deserving of being on the table and, when good, being proceeded upon. Not traded away for some chickenfeed thrown out by the intransigent Republicans. When only third-way type ideas are considered serious, because only third-way type ideas are considered (possibly) acceptable to the Republicans, it means that the Democratic party isn't setting its own agenda.

I'm not a Dem because I'm not a US citizen - I'm here because the discussion is great. I see a pic of a bus, but in other threads I see a pic of another bus such that there appears to be two factions, Dems of each faction feeling that the other is non-supportive and leaving them out in the cold, under a bus. That isn't a winning formula.

IMO a comparison to the Dem "progressive" faction as being akin to the Rep "tea-party" faction, in that both are "extremes", is unfair to "progressives". I see very little difference between the ideas of so-called moderate Reps like McConnell and those of the $$$-people/foundations behind the "tea-party". Doctrines like Grover Norquist's pledge, which is an absolutist pledge and in that sense can't get any more "extreme", are mainstream Rep doctrines. There is no compromise with such absolutism, there is no "center" that can be defined in those terms. It follows that a "center" has to be defined in terms of a mutual understanding between factions of the Democratic party.

[IrishAyes]

13. I'm late reviewing some of these threads

But still want to say how much I admire your post. As a member of the far left of our party, I try to keep reminding people essentially that there's a good reason President Obama is in the WH and not one of us. We believe what we believe, but for the good of all - which should be the party mantra - we need to put our shoulders to the wheel with one accord. And deep in my heart anyway, I enjoy thinking maybe he's a little more left in his heart of hearts than would be wise to advertise at this point in history. It angers me when snipers call him a Republican.

[delrem]

14. I think two things have to happen

1. Dems must 'reset' their concept of party discipline so on essential votes there isn't always five or six (or however many are needed to defeat the f'ing thing) who vote with the R's. Seems to me that the five or six are always a slightly different crew from the same bunch, so the heat is distributed. In fact, it seems to me that who'll be "it" at any particular essential vote is decided at meetings.

Party discipline is so lax that I expect defeats, with five or six of the usual suspects hiding out in the small print - this is the norm, not an exception.

On essential gov't business this can only happen *once* in a term of gov't in Canada, after which the country is forced into an election.
non-confidence motion, definition: In Canada, a non-confidence motion is a motion in the House of Commons, which, if passed, means that the government has lost the confidence of the House. The government must then either resign or ask the governor general to dissolve Parliament and call an election.
Votes on the Speech from the Throne and tax and spending bills are automatically considered to be votes of non-confidence.

There's no way that a ruling majority party in Canada could allow the slippage that the Dem powers that be allow on essential matters. Because that'd force an election and believe me, a majority which forces itself into an election due to non-confidence in itself would lose big time.

2. The progressive and moderately left caucus must insist that their voices not only be heard, but be recognized and given equal play. If this doesn't happen, and if it isn't seen to happen, the Dems will lose their base and another party will be invented to represent them.