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Dear God... Our President needs us Now. (Original Post) sheshe2 Dec 2012 OP
and as I learned tonight loyalkydem Dec 2012 #1
Yup. But we need you here, so stick around. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #3
Didn't read your thread, too much aggravation, but elleng Dec 2012 #4
loyalkydem...thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2012 #5
I supported everything you said in that locked post. xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #10
Well said. freshwest Dec 2012 #26
Respectfully, the distrust is earned. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #68
I wonder, do you consider it possible that at least some of what we are seeing is not meant for us? patrice Dec 2012 #75
Well, this used to be a safe haven for Obama supporters, but the GD bashers have taken over. freshwest Dec 2012 #105
You need to read this. Number23 Dec 2012 #76
You are free to trust anyone you like. I will do the same Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #81
If you expect perfection in anyone... BanzaiBonnie Dec 2012 #87
You're absolutely right. You are free to trust whoever you like Number23 Dec 2012 #94
sometimes the raging cynics get to me but BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #99
Our Nation got ObamaCare which is what was Possible Cha Dec 2012 #106
he's blocked but other readers might like to know a little about the HSBC business OKNancy Dec 2012 #107
thanks for the link, OKNancy.. Cha Dec 2012 #108
I just replied to you on that thread and it was locked! ReRe Dec 2012 #31
+1 mfcorey1 Dec 2012 #59
God! I'm glad to see people admitting this is true! Thank you! A commitment to TRUTH neeeeeeeds patrice Dec 2012 #62
I am so touched by your post. You guys are going to make me cry loyalkydem Dec 2012 #82
Some of us think "his best interest" is fighting the Repukes, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #86
Hi DevonRex Dec 2012 #92
with respect choie Dec 2012 #101
Wow, his hair is almost all gray! SunSeeker Dec 2012 #2
I know, and thank you SunSeeker! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #6
Can you imagine loyalkydem Dec 2012 #7
it would seem like running for re-election was the easy part Skittles Dec 2012 #8
And considering how brutal campaigning is . . . eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #61
Nope, tavalon Dec 2012 #37
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Thanks NYC_SKP for your response! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #14
Yes, thanks to NYC SKP.. for Cha Dec 2012 #19
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No, elleng Dec 2012 #29
Are you lost? DevonRex Dec 2012 #43
You are disgusting! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #13
Now I'm wondering who the one jurist was that voted to keep that drek Scootaloo Dec 2012 #33
Someone voted to keep it? Wow amazing! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #44
Lotsa trolls and Obama haters. At least 5 did the right thing. freshwest Dec 2012 #47
Perhaps to keep proof of those wacky freeper trolls LTR Dec 2012 #48
This ones for him and all the rest of the trolls... freshwest Dec 2012 #52
It's still "Yes WE can!" madamesilverspurs Dec 2012 #12
Thank you madamesilverspurs... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #15
Thanks for that Vivid Reminder, Cha Dec 2012 #18
Thank you so much, madamesilverspurs Kath1 Dec 2012 #95
I've got his back Timbuk3 Dec 2012 #16
Your last sentence says it all---I don't know how he does it! young_at_heart Dec 2012 #21
Thanks Timbuk3 Dec 2012 #23
Thanks so much for both your posts here. freshwest Dec 2012 #28
Thanks Timbuk3 sheshe2 Dec 2012 #30
Oh thanks for posting that pic of the President Cha Dec 2012 #17
Perfect description of what I see in that pic too, Cha. jillan Dec 2012 #22
He looks so very tired. My heart goes out to him! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #41
Cha... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #73
So very true, she.. and, I'm thinking Cha Dec 2012 #77
So very true! Kath1 Dec 2012 #96
+1 n/t politicasista Dec 2012 #100
Oh man, he looks exhausted. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #24
I wish he could have stayed longer, he deserves a rest. But for most of us, work comes first. freshwest Dec 2012 #25
That's a beautiful Robert Frost Cha Dec 2012 #32
Oh do not start me crying with a Robert Frost Poem...So back at you! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #38
That one... But the weariness and keeping faith made me cry... He'll do the right thing, always. freshwest Dec 2012 #50
He will keep his promises before he sleeps! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #63
he has chosen the high road hopemountain Dec 2012 #71
Thanks for expressing this so well. freshwest Dec 2012 #88
So long as he does the right thing I will support him. Fearless Dec 2012 #27
K&R ReRe Dec 2012 #34
We can't even begin to imagine the incredible pressure and responsibility he must feel. gateley Dec 2012 #35
It pains me too. sheshe2 Dec 2012 #65
Same here. Kath1 Dec 2012 #97
They almost all do tavalon Dec 2012 #36
I would look that exhausted too . . . Brigid Dec 2012 #39
And he knows they are lying crooks, as well. They have more money than Obama, because they're crooks freshwest Dec 2012 #54
The strain of te job is getting to him already Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2012 #40
He'll bounce back.. Cha Dec 2012 #57
By summertime, I hope to see more like this from 2009: freshwest Dec 2012 #89
Or even this.. taken a few days ago in Hawai'i.. :) Cha Dec 2012 #93
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And this is the Obama Group. You want General Discussion. DevonRex Dec 2012 #45
That's not true. Cha Dec 2012 #49
Trickle all Over you economics and war first??? sheshe2 Dec 2012 #56
Going for the 'reaganomics' theme and then slamming PBO for the Peace Prize. freshwest Dec 2012 #66
You are mistaken, elleng Dec 2012 #58
Presidents are not kings, no matter how much you might want one to read your mind and do precisely patrice Dec 2012 #60
sheshe, I love the comments on that blog... How can we join it? freshwest Dec 2012 #46
That's a good question, freshwest.. Cha Dec 2012 #55
The title had me worried for a minute. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #51
Help him out by calling your "representation" in D.C. nt patrice Dec 2012 #53
Already done Patrice. Already done. sheshe2 Dec 2012 #78
As you know, I supported everything you wrote in that post BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #64
You know, a person CAN understand critique, but that stuff is so far out that it's hard not to think patrice Dec 2012 #69
I've run into this same crowd in local politics. Your analysis is correct. freshwest Dec 2012 #91
Americans realize polynomial Dec 2012 #67
I'm curious; what happens AFTER. If PO did something like you suggest, what happens afterward? Where patrice Dec 2012 #72
Shit - just imagine how it'd feel if we were looking ahead to a president wrongney. calimary Dec 2012 #70
How I dreaded the thought of Romney as President! Kath1 Dec 2012 #98
Oh MAN, I think about that EVERY DAY!!! calimary Dec 2012 #104
Wow...all that white hair. dkf Dec 2012 #74
I wish he could have had another week of sun and sand to nourish his soul Hekate Dec 2012 #79
I know, huh? Even a few more Cha Dec 2012 #80
He cut his vacation short loyalkydem Dec 2012 #83
What gets to me is that President Obama cut short his well-deserved family vacation... greatauntoftriplets Dec 2012 #84
He's my hero. The best president of my lifetime - and Truman was President when i was born. Zen Democrat Dec 2012 #85
Best POTUS of my lifetime, too. freshwest Dec 2012 #90
especially proud of our president tonight. hopemountain Dec 2012 #102
Welcome to DU Hopemountain! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #103

elleng

(135,864 posts)
4. Didn't read your thread, too much aggravation, but
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:21 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:27 AM - Edit history (1)

agreed with your post, and agree we must stay at his back.

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
5. loyalkydem...thank you.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:22 PM
Dec 2012

I couldn't agree with you more! It is not just this night tho...it has been ongoing.

I cry at the pain in our Presidents face. I feel he has aged considerably in just a few days.

xxxsdesdexxx

(213 posts)
10. I supported everything you said in that locked post.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:37 PM
Dec 2012

I was actually typing a longer response, in support of your argument, and when I finally finished and hit submit, the thread was locked and all that I had typed was gone with it. Anyways, I was suggesting that too many on here are quick in throwing the president overboard when there is some anonymous source or leak reporting that the president is "considering" a particular policy. Consideration of something does not imply that one is in favor of it, it just means they are considering it. To take this a little deeper, we all know that the president likes to hear all sides of the debate so that he can make the most informed decision. If you are wary of anything that the president or congress are "considering," I would suggest courteously contacting them and letting them know your views. If the president or your members of congress are in favor of and supporting something you disagree with, then let all hell break lose and you're free to do as you please.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
75. I wonder, do you consider it possible that at least some of what we are seeing is not meant for us?
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:35 AM
Dec 2012

It's done for effect, say upon the 47%, i.e. the REPUBLICAN base, some of whom really do belong with us.

Some of it is also meant to rally responses from constituents on all sides, to get people actively involved and to paying attention for what happens next.

Negotiations are not as straight forward as the media and many people on this board want us to think they are. EVERYTHING is on the table and CPI is not everything. It's one thing, the first bit in this most current round. Think of poker with many players and an enormous deck of cards.

Yes, we have good reasons to distrust government, but those reasons will not be served by blinding ourselves to reality, in fact, what took advantage of us before can and will do it again if we don't stop pretending that we know everything we NEED to know and quit coming to pre-mature INFERENTIAL conclusions.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
76. You need to read this.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:38 AM
Dec 2012
http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/

Only an idiot living in an echo chamber would believe that people don't trust this man. Even the Repubs had to acknowledge that his likability and trust factors were through the roof. And the reason people trust him is very simple -- they believe that he is working for them.

Now, I know that the good folks in GD read stuff like this and toss it in the trash because it goes against their already preconceived (and incredibly ill-informed) notions, but that is simply the truth of the matter.
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
81. You are free to trust anyone you like. I will do the same
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:21 AM
Dec 2012

I started to type out what would have been a long list of all things he has done to earn our distrust, starting with his epic betrayal on healthcare reform, all the way through to his decision not to prosecute HSBC for money laundering or proposal to cut social security so the wealthy can enjoy lower taxes.

It would be a bloody long list, I am tired, and you already know it. You simply don't care. So why should I?

BanzaiBonnie

(3,621 posts)
87. If you expect perfection in anyone...
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
Dec 2012

you will always be disappointed.

There's also a long list of things that aren't under his control. Just means "we the people" have to work harder.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
94. You're absolutely right. You are free to trust whoever you like
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:58 PM
Dec 2012

and do whatever you want. And you are even more correct about the "don't care" bit as I have seen the braying and gnashing from the "left" regarding this president and every other Democratic president. The motives may be good, but the methods stink to high Heaven which is why the "left" has so little clout in this country.

But please realize that in your desperate need to distrust this president and his every action, you are in a tremendous minority. And as the article I pointed to notes repeatedly, this was a lesson that the Republicans were loathe to learn as well -- to their detriment.

And as to the specific points in your post, for every "leftist" I see screaming about the betrayal of health care, I see several hundred Americans (including members of my own family) who are thankful for the changes to healthcare and are hopeful for more. Your comment about SS cuts is mindless speculation that has been bandied about by the "left" for YEARS. Yes, YEARS. As for not prosecuting HSBC, I too would have liked to see them prosecuted, but dismissing a more than $1 billion fine is idiocy. Both would have been great but neither can be dismissed.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
99. sometimes the raging cynics get to me but
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:28 PM
Dec 2012

that's when I forget that massive social change CANNOT happen quickly.

Anyway...thank you for the several excellent posts. Well said.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
106. Our Nation got ObamaCare which is what was Possible
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:43 PM
Dec 2012

at the time. It's a strong foundation for our future. So, no, there was no magic wand waved to get single payer.

I have a long list of what was Accomplished by our President and why he has earned our trust.

"Obama Ends ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/us/23military.html

"Obama Endorses Same-Sex Marriage Initiatives In 3 States"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2020733.html
.
"Obama Says Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Legal"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/obama-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 206 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty!"
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

"ObamaCare Facts: Facts on the Obama Health Care Plan
ObamaCare Facts 2012 - We Tell you the Facts, Not The Talking Points"

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

Cha

(305,137 posts)
108. thanks for the link, OKNancy..
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dec 2012

Putting it in Context..

The question isn’t whether to use that power, it’s why. To do so would be bullying, and capricious, and would punish thousands of innocent individuals, and would destroy hundreds of billions of dollars of value, all for the purpose of nothing much in particular. Just because the US can prosecute HSBC doesn’t mean that it should prosecute HSBC. And sometimes, forbearance isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of maturity.

ReRe

(10,737 posts)
31. I just replied to you on that thread and it was locked!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:32 AM
Dec 2012

...Boo!.. But what I said was basically "please don't go away."

patrice

(47,992 posts)
62. God! I'm glad to see people admitting this is true! Thank you! A commitment to TRUTH neeeeeeeds
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:45 AM
Dec 2012

a dynamic balance between perspectives. I don't idolize BO, I like him, but I don't blind myself to reality FOR him and it's scarey to see so many people who blind themselves to reality AGAINST him, because even when we might agree on motives & outcomes, that kind of extremeness (from the right or from what calls itself "the Left&quot DAMAGES where we are headed and how we will get there. I agree with some of these Obama haters if they really are (???) motivated by a Liberal agenda, but their passions and negativity have taken precedence over success on the issues. It's sad.

The great labor leader poet Eric Hoffer mentioned this problem:" Social improvement is attained more readily by a concern for the quality of results than by a purity of motives." And Hoffer was NO wishy washy indeterminate whatever. He was strong and passionate.

Hoffer also said, "It's the around-the-corner brand of hope that prompts people to action, while the distant hope acts as an opiate."

around-the-corner is what is doable and opiates paralyze people and give them excuses for no action and no results, other than frustration and hostility. I think some intense learned helplessness is at work in lots of places.

Glad to see you here, loyalkydem!, we have been needing some POLITE but strong help!!!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
86. Some of us think "his best interest" is fighting the Repukes,
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:40 AM
Dec 2012

not negotiating with/pandering to them

SunSeeker

(53,600 posts)
2. Wow, his hair is almost all gray!
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:16 PM
Dec 2012

And the lines on his face are so much deeper. This job has aged him tremendously. He really is giving us all he's got. I wish more people saw that.

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sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
14. Thanks NYC_SKP for your response!
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:51 PM
Dec 2012

I was just about to send an alert on that one...someone beat me to it!

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #14)

LTR

(13,227 posts)
48. Perhaps to keep proof of those wacky freeper trolls
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

and their freaky sex practices.

I think our dearly departed troll should have that very statement engraved on his gravestone.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
95. Thank you so much, madamesilverspurs
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:05 PM
Dec 2012

for that inspiration!

I, for one, am proud to support this President who believes in little things like fairness, equality, health care and women's rights.

Timbuk3

(872 posts)
16. I've got his back
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
Dec 2012

What he's doing right now is hard. The country is likely to go over the fiscal bluff. But he's right to stand by his pledge to not raise taxes on 100% of the income below $250K, as in everybody, as in "including rich fuckers".

I think the offer of $400K and below was politics.

I'm gainfully employed, but the scariest thing (to me) is cutting UI to people who have no savings. The economic impact would be devastating to the entire country, but just think about how hard it would be to go from "just barely able to eat and have a warm place to sleep" to "homeless and starving".

The GOP, and especially the teabaggers, oppose government in any form. Is it any wonder that, when so many vote for the failure of government, the government fails?

You're looking at the face of a man who cares about this country, in the face of a GOP-led house who doesn't.

young_at_heart

(3,852 posts)
21. Your last sentence says it all---I don't know how he does it!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:18 AM
Dec 2012

I'm 73 years old and NO president of my lifetime (that I am able to remember) has moved me more than this man. Last night we watched the Kennedy Center Honors and seeing his reactions to the ceremony and his arm around Michelle and grooving to the music made it so clear that this man cares about people and can empathize.

Timbuk3

(872 posts)
23. Thanks
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:23 AM
Dec 2012

Why in the world would we expect people who's GOAL is to prove that government doesn't work, to work to make government work?

The GOP wants us, all of us, to fail.

That's what OUR POTUS is fighting.

It's got to be exhausting to fight such lunacy.

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
30. Thanks Timbuk3
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:31 AM
Dec 2012

You have his back! Excellent! That's what I have said in past posts...

However (LOL) I was asked if I was legal to vote in this country. That it was not a common phrase.Was I foreign? WOW. I have seen "I will take your back" many times since that poster ridiculed me.

Thanks
She

Cha

(305,137 posts)
17. Oh thanks for posting that pic of the President
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:09 AM
Dec 2012

returning from Hawai'i, she. That certainly qualilfies as a pic being worth a thousand words.

Words that describe how awful it is to leave his fam in Hawai'i while he comes back to put up with the Koch party Plutocrats whose aim it is to Destroy America with them on the top of the heap.

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
73. Cha...
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:31 AM
Dec 2012

Thank you...It makes me cry to see his face this way.
He has endured so much in four years. No President has ever had a bigger burden to carry.

I am not just talking of the central issues of our Nation.I am not just addressing the international issues that are at hand. I am talking about the irrational hate that our President has had to endure. The ridicule, the disrespect of the Office of the President.

It comes from the crazies, sure. However it is coming from congressmen and women. It comes from senators and govenors alike. All the GO haters! They all have put their hate and the need to see this President fail before our countries needs. They are traitors to this Nation.

The attacks on his person. The attacks on his wife. He has had to endure this and at the same time lead this Nation Forward.

I thank you Mr. President.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
77. So very true, she.. and, I'm thinking
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:44 AM
Dec 2012

all those precious little kids massacred is weighing heavily on our President's mind. How could it not be? We must all keep going back to that day when the incomprehensible happened.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
96. So very true!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:13 PM
Dec 2012

He has aged tremendously over the past four years. Dealing with the national and international issues have to be hard enough, but dealing with the blind hatred of he and his family is another issue. I really don't know how he manages to keep it together with the class, good humor and intelligence he exhibits.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
24. Oh man, he looks exhausted.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:24 AM
Dec 2012

And those rethugs can't drag their sorry asses back to Washington to do anything for the people they're supposed to represent.

Goddammit.

Hugs for everyone here.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. I wish he could have stayed longer, he deserves a rest. But for most of us, work comes first.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:25 AM
Dec 2012
Not the Hawaii he just left, but I see it this way:

...The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.


~Robert Frost

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
38. Oh do not start me crying with a Robert Frost Poem...So back at you!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:53 AM
Dec 2012

The Road Not Taken



Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim
Because it was grassy and wanted wear,
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I marked the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.


Robert Frost

He takes the lesser traveled path. Thank you Mr President. Thank you!

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
71. he has chosen the high road
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:12 AM
Dec 2012

of integrity, dignity, and truth. it is damn lonely.

i am so glad to read here some of us willing to have his back (yes, this is a common phrase amongst my neighborhood and family).

he's wanting to do what is just for those who elected him. it's damn hard when he has a circus of clowns and coyotes and bigoted & insolent 3 year olds in the congress.

there are some of us who pray for our leaders every day.

thank you, sheshe2 for posting the pic. even though it is heart wrenching. those of us who have faced troubles know what it feels like. but to face such trouble for the entire country and alone?

p.s. and appreciation to those calling out the ugly haters.

ReRe

(10,737 posts)
34. K&R
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:38 AM
Dec 2012

Yip, he has the weight of the world on his shoulders. And that isn't snow in his hair. Even though he had to come back early, he did have a wonderful time with family and friends for a few days.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
35. We can't even begin to imagine the incredible pressure and responsibility he must feel.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:39 AM
Dec 2012

It hurts me to see what this country has done to him,

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
65. It pains me too.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:58 AM
Dec 2012

A major portion of this country are throwing away the best thing that has ever happened to them.

Sad that they are to blind to see!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
97. Same here.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:17 PM
Dec 2012

"... what this country has done to him." How true and so sad that we have so many haters in this country who want to destroy this man. What a sad but true commentary.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
36. They almost all do
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:49 AM
Dec 2012

I doubt Dumbya did, but Cheney aged considerably and four years ago, Obama and I were neck and neck in the gray hair category. He has pulled ahead massively.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
39. I would look that exhausted too . . .
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:54 AM
Dec 2012

If I had to deal with the likes of Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell all the time. Bunch of oversized two-year-olds.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
54. And he knows they are lying crooks, as well. They have more money than Obama, because they're crooks
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:17 AM
Dec 2012
and they are arrogant and dishonest, don't care about who gets hurt. It must turn his stomach to have to talk with such foul people.

Yet they were elected and he has to deal with them as if they had any integrity, which they don't have, but he must do it for the people that voted for them... and the ones that didn't.

It's a hell of a job to have to face daily.

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
56. Trickle all Over you economics and war first???
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:22 AM
Dec 2012

What the hell do you mean by that statement?

I can't respond to the trickle bit because I have no clue what you are referring to.

However the war first diplomacy shit? What has that got to do with this President? Enlighten me on how many wars this President waged...I am clueless here. I must have been asleep for the past four years. Again enlighten me.

Were you asleep when GWB waged two wars on credit cards? Do you remember Afganistan...Irag? Do you. What the hell were they all about...do you know?

War first diplomacy...un fucking believable!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
66. Going for the 'reaganomics' theme and then slamming PBO for the Peace Prize.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:02 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Playing on the uber left and then going with the tea bag complaints about Obama getting the Peace Prize as he came into office. Does not belong in the BOG...

patrice

(47,992 posts)
60. Presidents are not kings, no matter how much you might want one to read your mind and do precisely
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:30 AM
Dec 2012

what you and yours alone want.

And before you go off on me, know that it's likely that we agree about the outcomes, though you appear to have no idea precisely how the whole situation is supposed to actually evolve, that is, unless you'd like to demonstrate your perspicacity in that regard right now: pray tell, who/what/when/why/where/how do we "get there" from here, come on now, you're apparently gifted with greater insight and understanding than the guy who has been doing nothing else with his life 24/7 for the last four years, why don't you just pony up right here and now and justify your critique by going BO one better and showing him up with the WHOLE enchilada? And while you're at it, you know of course, if you don't admit whom you're going to hurt and how up front, you're disqualified on grounds of lying.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
46. sheshe, I love the comments on that blog... How can we join it?
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:09 AM
Dec 2012
Things that some at DU are missing:

'ARGH: Sr. WH official tells me that, contrary to reports from Repubs, president will NOT be sending a fiscal cliff proposal to Capitol Hill...The GOP media plays the far left like a fiddle. Everytime! Worthless press.'

'Yet there were people on here as well as on Twitter lambasting PBO based on “GOP sources” (Scott Brown FB page) and their GOP-friendly media stenographers.'

'The GOP media plays the far left like a fiddle. Everytime!'

'I truly don’t understand the people lambasting Pres. Obama. He’s the one person who’s been working his ass off and fighting for them. On days like this, I’m glad I’m not the president because even though I’m a very patient person by nature, I would have flipped them the birdie by now.'




Cha

(305,137 posts)
55. That's a good question, freshwest..
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:20 AM
Dec 2012

I belong but I don't exactly remember.. I don't see a place to register per se. I think maybe you go to the comments section and down at the bottom is a "Enter your comment here" and you fill out your email, name, and comment and it goes through moderation.

There's one Admin.. Chips, who started the theobamadiary in 2009 because of all the negativity on DU. Best thing that ever Happened!

Let me know if that works?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
64. As you know, I supported everything you wrote in that post
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:52 AM
Dec 2012

and I was just able to post a response before it got locked. It really frustrates me when some so-called Progressives are such self-defeatists and as hateful and antagonistic as TeaBaggers. Then again, they're FiredogBaggers so . . .

It just pains me to read how President Obama is getting such criticism while working so hard to improve this country for all of us. It frustrates me to see how some Emo-Progs are always taking what he considers or offers as blasphemy against their purist ideals because he doesn't wave his magic wand and make all their unrealistic dreams come true. With Progressives like that, who needs TeaBaggers?

Over time, even these so-called enlightened and self-thinking (delusional) Emo-Progs will finally have to come around and say that President Obama is the most progressive president this country has ever seen, just like the way they swoon by the mere mention of Franklin D "Internment Camp" Roosevelt who can do no wrong - or is just conveniently used as another hammer to use against President Obama.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
69. You know, a person CAN understand critique, but that stuff is so far out that it's hard not to think
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:08 AM
Dec 2012

something other than truth is the motivator, something possibly wrong.

Again I say, whatever validity that perspective has to bring to the table is damaged by the hate and vitriol that drives them. Emotions are legit, strong emotions are legit, but this externalized boogeyman who takes precedence over all or most forms of the self awareness about the qualities of one's own actions big and small, NONE of which matters because BO ___________________ (whatever).

I'm struggling with this, as you may have noticed, I WANT to credit at least some of the values expressed by that perspective, but I CAN'T and somehow emo progs take that as a badge of honor.

Fuck 'em, Chris Hedges and Glenn Greenwald have turned into Ralph Nader II & III and that makes me suspect a level of self righteousness that is driven by the vindictive hope that anyone who disagrees suffers and yes, even dies, if "necessary", to establish their exclusive and rather selective versions of the truth.

If I'm wrong about this, I'd like someone to SHOW me differently. They could defend themselves by proving that they aren't as hateful and fascistic and biased as they appear to be, but I don't expect that to happen because it doesn't really matter to emo progs if you would like to agree with them, but have problems with ________________, no one matters except those who do agree with them and THAT's Fascism.

Still struggling here . . .

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
91. I've run into this same crowd in local politics. Your analysis is correct.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:08 PM
Dec 2012

There are many things that are New Deal-ish that have saved lives that they long to destroy for ideological purity. The call it the cost of change, as people suffer and die.

Those affected are just collateral damage to meet their simplistic ideal which claim a faux individualism that never happened except in the mind of Ayn Rand. Yes, they are like that.

The right have the same technique. Those of us who are protecting the living in the middle, those who support unions and public workers and school teachers and other services, are beset from both sides. We're sneered at and called centists and sell-outs from the left, and statist and nanny staters from the right. But we don't care what it's called if it saves people.

Flesh and blood people, not theoretical ones that they don't know or care about, and whose lives or death doesn't really affect their lives. On the left they used to be called radical chic, pushing to the extreme the politics of the day to elicit a violent response for a thrill. And on the right, they play fundamentalist mental masturbation games. Same game, though.

It's tough to be abused from both sides. This is what Obama is dealing with, so I love him.

polynomial

(750 posts)
67. Americans realize
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:03 AM
Dec 2012

Likely what has been embedded in the system is far worse than most Americans realize. The Republican Party which is constitutionally antithetical has been flushed out. The definition of conservative does not fit at this time for those of the Republican Party. They are the party of hate.

When I listen to WIND radio or ABC radio talk show about politics, and, of course Fox News cable, yes I do listen for their lies, Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingram, Medved, O'reilly, up and down it is hate, after hate after hate spewed out, and on relentlessly. In the Congress, the Senate, Baynor, Mitch McConnell, Cantor, Lindsey Graham, Jim DeMint and more.

Sometimes I reflect about their constituents those people who elect these types into office. There is a very, very weirdness connected to all of them. From my view I cannot think that part of the country is so screwed up mentally. But I can think those Republicans are very corrupted; many in our system know it, especially our Judicial branch which turns their back to it. That is the hard part; the justice system lets the President hang out to exhaustion on his own.

President Obama needed his first four years to see who he can trust. The moment of change is painted very fearful, and likely is. But in the final hour if, and he can, Obama issues an executive order that would resolve issues in the interim to prevent any national security situation the Republicans will surely explode, foul. In one signature President Obama gave the government workers the Monday as a holiday. Imagine the power he has for the country, it is a unique power, he could commandeer whole business or industries. Banking, securities exchange, military, transportation, airlines railroads, trucking, the steel industries in the name of national security.

In a sense, saving General Motors which builds our transportation machines for the military was just such an issue totally not addressed by our mainstream media. National security was paramount at that time. President Obama secured our nation in doing so. President Obama is grayer, but he is proud, and so are we.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
72. I'm curious; what happens AFTER. If PO did something like you suggest, what happens afterward? Where
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:19 AM
Dec 2012

do all of those who either dispute the purpose or the method of what was just done? How many people would that be? How can we calculate the strength of their emotional/motivational drive? What would critical mass be as to the size of that cohort?

In short, DON'T THEY NEED SOMEKIND OF BUY-IN? Or at least as much buy-in as possible, so as to reduce the size and impetus of that cohort to something that is actually manageable. How does one calculate such a thing when strategizing executive action?

calimary

(84,190 posts)
70. Shit - just imagine how it'd feel if we were looking ahead to a president wrongney.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:08 AM
Dec 2012

Sweet God in Heaven!

Dayum - look how President Obama has aged. You really can see some of the weight on his shoulders - reflected in his face. Dear Mr. President - WE HAVE YOUR BACK. DO NOT FEEL AS THOUGH YOU'RE CARRYING THIS LOAD ALONE!!!!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
98. How I dreaded the thought of Romney as President!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012

I think it is very important for us to be very visible in our support for Obama. Things could have been soooooooo much worse had the election gone the other way. My OBAMA 2012 magnet will stay on my car for a looooooong time.

calimary

(84,190 posts)
104. Oh MAN, I think about that EVERY DAY!!!
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:20 AM
Dec 2012

What a bullet we dodged! What a bullet we dodged!!!!!

For example, do you think for one instant we would have had a president-elect wrongney making a speech, or taking a position, like the one President Obama did in Newtown Connecticut? Do you think the conversation would have been steered anywhere near taking a second look at the 2nd Amendment? HARDLY!!!! I still remember how then-president-elect reagan ( ) was asked for his reaction to the shooting death of John Lennon. And he puked out a bunch of pablum about what an unfortunate thing that was - BUT WE CAN'T GIVE UP OUR GUNS! I damn near cried.

And it's just gotten better and better, as I watch President Obama stand SO firm against the assholes in the House and Senate who keep wanting to worship the rich and screw the poor and middle class. He's NOT caving, NOT capitulating, NOT giving in before the negotiations even start. I can't believe it's the same President! I am SO pleased!!! NO buyer's remorse here, WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!

I'm just so proud and pleased and impressed and utterly THRILLED with my President!!! Even gladder now, that he was reelected, than on the night he actually was reelected!

THIS man makes me feel proud to be an American all over again.

GOBAMA!!!!!!!!

Cha

(305,137 posts)
80. I know, huh? Even a few more
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:10 AM
Dec 2012

days to get some of that Hawai'ian Sunshine and sand between his toes would be so helpful for his body and soul.

loyalkydem

(1,678 posts)
83. He cut his vacation short
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:28 AM
Dec 2012

just to come back and deal with a do nothing congress.GWB would have stayed at the ranch

greatauntoftriplets

(176,786 posts)
84. What gets to me is that President Obama cut short his well-deserved family vacation...
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:39 AM
Dec 2012

and the Repukes are letting this go until the bitter end. He looks so tired....

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
85. He's my hero. The best president of my lifetime - and Truman was President when i was born.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:48 AM
Dec 2012

My son is also a dedicated liberal but he frequently complains about President Obama caving or negotiating or playing nice. I write that off as the passion of youth. I've lived long enough and heard enough political rhetoric to know the goodness in this man and the struggle he wages on behalf of the common good. I love him and his beautiful family and am grateful every day that he's the most powerful man in the world. It's in the best interest of all humanity.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
102. especially proud of our president tonight.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:39 AM
Dec 2012

he's strong, courageous, and more a decent human being than i could ever be.
also grateful for this group because the regular du forums are full of negativity and trolls. blech.

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