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sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:07 AM Dec 2013

Obama selection of Billie Jean King for Sochi 'genius'



USA Today: Obama selection of Billie Jean King for Sochi ‘genius’

President Obama’s selection of Billie Jean King for the official U.S. delegation to the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympic Games is a stroke of genius.

What better way to show the nation’s disgust for President Vladimir Putin’s anti-gay propaganda law than for Obama to send an American cultural icon and sports legend who also happens to be openly gay?

King, 70, the winner of 12 Grand Slam singles titles during her Hall of Fame tennis career, never was an Olympian, but she has been watching Putin's discriminatory law from afar.

In a recent conversation with USA TODAY Sports' Kelly Whiteside, King talked about the general hesitancy U.S. athletes expressed regarding the law.

"Sometimes I think we need a John Carlos moment," she said on Sept. 25, referring to the U.S. track star who was expelled from the 1968 Mexico City Olympics along with American sprinter Tommie Smith for protesting racial discrimination.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/12/17/president-obama-sochi-billie-jean-king-winter-games-russia-putin/4058273/

Putin haz a sad~


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Snowdenski's boss hears President Obama is sending Billie Jean King to Sochi
9:39 PM - 17 Dec 2013

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/12/17/genius-4/

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Obama selection of Billie Jean King for Sochi 'genius' (Original Post) sheshe2 Dec 2013 OP
Strange mixture: Snowden with freedom for some... freshwest Dec 2013 #1
Polar opposites. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #2
Somehow I don't think Putin cared, MattSh Dec 2013 #3
Agreed. freshwest Dec 2013 #4
On the contrary I think he is a man with a fairly strong obsession with symbolism especially as it grantcart Dec 2013 #5
"fairly strong obsession with symbolism" you mean... madrchsod Dec 2013 #7
Agreed. Never underestimate the power of embarrassment DinahMoeHum Dec 2013 #8
The same could be said about Obama. Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #10
Not true. Putin gave amnesty to Green Peace and Pussy Riots today just because the outside grantcart Dec 2013 #16
Hahaha!!!!! Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #17
I know that this is a little complicated for you but this discussion grantcart Dec 2013 #18
poutin' Putin eShirl Dec 2013 #6
Definitely "a Juan Carlos Moment"! Cha Dec 2013 #9
Nice picture of BJK and POTUS IrishAyes Dec 2013 #11
It is indeed a great picture, Irish. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #12
BJK whupped his rear good, didn't she? IrishAyes Dec 2013 #13
She sure did, Irish! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #14
I watched the match and kept rooting for her. IrishAyes Dec 2013 #15
i also totally do not blame him for taking a pass. mopinko Dec 2013 #19

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. Strange mixture: Snowden with freedom for some...
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:59 AM
Dec 2013

I remember watching BJK back in the day. She's looking good.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. On the contrary I think he is a man with a fairly strong obsession with symbolism especially as it
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 02:22 AM
Dec 2013

reflects how his countrymen perceive him.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
7. "fairly strong obsession with symbolism" you mean...
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:32 AM
Dec 2013

riding bareback on his horse with no shirt on? maybe some of those other manly pictures of his physical prowess?

billie jean will be a great spokesperson for america.

DinahMoeHum

(22,484 posts)
8. Agreed. Never underestimate the power of embarrassment
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:05 AM
Dec 2013

and the subsequent desire to save face.

These gestures are better than a boycott.

Still, I'd love to see some athlete/s pull a Tommie Smith/John Carlos gesture on the podium.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
10. The same could be said about Obama.
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 06:48 PM
Dec 2013

There is no doubt that Putin isn't going to be shamed into changing his mind or doing something that America wants just because of the members of the delegation that Obama sends to Russia to attend these games.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
16. Not true. Putin gave amnesty to Green Peace and Pussy Riots today just because the outside
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 07:59 PM
Dec 2013

world found their actions barbaric.

But it has little to do with the US as much as Russia's century old inferiority complex where they have always been characterized and felt like the disrespected cousins in Europe.

It isn't America's position but the shared position of all the rest of Western Civilization.

What this delegation does do, in real terms, is give standing and reinforcement to the reform voices that already exist in Russia, ammunition that they both need and know how to use.

There is, of course, no comparison between Putin who has helped foster a campaign of terror against Russian journalists who report against him or gangster capitalists:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

А wide-ranging investigation by the International Federation of Journalists into the deaths of journalists in Russia was published in June 2009. At the same time the IFJ launched an online database[2][3] which documents over three hundred deaths and disappearances since 1993. Both the report Partial Justice[4] (Russian version: Частичное правосудие and the database depend on the information gathered in Russia over the last 16 years by the country's own media monitors, the Glasnost Defense Foundation and the Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations.



Any comparison with any Western Leader including President Obama is, of course, hogwash.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
17. Hahaha!!!!!
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:47 PM
Dec 2013

That just happened today, and it doesn't have a thing to do with changing his mind about how he treats gay people.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. I know that this is a little complicated for you but this discussion
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:03 AM
Dec 2013

has never been about Putin's opinion about gay people.

Putin, like all good authoritarian leaders, uses fear to create hegemony among the population and Gays are only the most recent canard.

Russians also crave to be accepted as full equals into their European neighborhood and Putin's campaign against gays has created a gap the size of the Grand Canyon. Russia will not be accepted as a respectable member of the group as long as they are going to the back to the middle ages with homophobia.

The use of high profile symbols to make the point to the Russian intelligentsia isn't aimed at Putin per se but in giving support for those that are determined to fight Putin within the country.

As for Putin's reversal on the Pussy Riot and Green Peace prosecution and imprisonment, the fact that it is happening weeks before the Winter Olympics proves exactly the point that Putin is very concerned in maintaining a level of respectability among his European neighbors.

But I don't really expect you to get it because you apparently thought that someone thought that Putin was going to do an immediate reversal because he was "going to be shamed into changing his mind or doing something that America wants just because of the members of the delegation that Obama sends to Russia to attend these games" having completely missed the point of why the President made the point it would be unfair to expect you to see the longer term strategy or how that strategy has in fact been successful on other human rights issues that the West holds Putin in contempt for.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
9. Definitely "a Juan Carlos Moment"!
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 03:27 PM
Dec 2013
"Sometimes I think we need a John Carlos moment," she said on Sept. 25, referring to the U.S. track star who was expelled from the 1968 Mexico City Olympics along with American sprinter Tommie Smith for protesting racial discrimination."

Thank you, she~

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
11. Nice picture of BJK and POTUS
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

Does anybody even remember Bobby Briggs, or whoever it was that challenged her to that infamous tennis match? Good to see her doing so well.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
15. I watched the match and kept rooting for her.
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 07:24 PM
Dec 2013

Although I'm not gay, many of my heroes are/were. Sally Ride, for instance. I realize some people say 'gay' applies only to males, but I rather prefer the term should include both sexes. Just my opinion. I like the word.

mopinko

(71,716 posts)
19. i also totally do not blame him for taking a pass.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:40 PM
Dec 2013

teh nontroversy would never end, no matter what they did once they left the ground (if not before).
and i just flat out would worry about his safety there.

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