Legitimate concern... thoughts?

[babylonsister]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by grantcart (a host of the Barack Obama group).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023221368

So because I had the temerity to criticise BO i was banned from the BO group
Has it come to this? Are those who aredntly supported BO in his first Pres election, and who supported him in his second bid (albeit wih reservations) not worthy to participate in discussions? Is no amount of concern or dissent allowed?
Perhaps DU is not the place It used to be...

[madamesilverspurs]

1. I don't think so.

It's way too much like those religious folks who deem themselves abused because others don't like getting beaten with a holy book. Seriously, of late it seems that refusal to talk smack about Obama is the thing that is not tolerated on DU.

Those of us who want to have civil discourse about this president, no name-calling and no accusations, go to the BOG (and other websites). Criticism happens there, it's just not the shit-splatting variety that is more common on other boards.

I do wonder if that poster speeds in school zones, then complains about the ticket.

[Cha]

9. Bueno, Madame!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

2. Let them yell!

This is for us who agree and support President Obama. Why come in here with their hate? They have GD. They do not need to come in here.

[dennis4868]

3. If you want to be critical of Obama...

there are plenty of discussion board on DU to do that. This discussion group are for those who support the president and his policies.

[babylonsister]

4. I like this poster, which is why I voiced my opinion. It's

not always black and white. But thanks for the feedback!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

5. Here's how I see it. Someone coming specifically to the BOG

To register their "concern" is somehow not satisfied there is a place where people still highly supportive of Barack Obama can go to for a respite from constant attacks on the leader of the Democratic Party.

They want to run our faces in it. It's not as though all of us don't post in main forums and will somehow miss out on the vitriol.

I like this as a safe haven from drive by Obama attacks.

[Cha]

8. Here's the PM I sent back to her..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1102&pid=12346

[IrishAyes]

15. Those drive bys are flinging molotovs in here, so they disqualify themselves from the group.

When they complain, it's their childish version of "Ma, he hit me back!"

[IrishAyes]

17. And we deserve a safe haven, for mutual growth and understanding

[TDale313]

6. Safe Haven groups have their use and should be respected.

I am not a regular of this group. Truth be told, some of my views may be precisely those that this group allows some members to take a needed break from and get a little moral support. Dissent is good, but so is having places where people can talk when issues/times get contentious without feeling under attack for every word/post.

[Cha]

11. Mahalo for your views, TDale

[Cha]

7. This is the PM I sent back to her.. and she's still whining about it.

Cha

Re: It seems totally inconsistent with democracy that you have shut me out of the BO section

> Seriously. I supported him in both elections but have doubts and disagreements with his actions now, and for that you ban me? What? Is a democracy supposed to be based on syncophatic adoration?

We have a Mission Statement peacebird and since you can't abide by it.. you are blocked. It's a members only group. There's tons of room on DU for you to continue whinging about PBO. But, not in our BOG.

It's locked now.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

10. nice!

[IrishAyes]

16. Kudos to you, that's music to my ears.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. Not even remotely concerned

I frequent the African American group. If you go back there and spout nonsense about white men tapping that as a conqueror - then one would be banned. But that is allowed in GD. And gets a hundred recs.

I don't go into the vegetarian group because I'm not one. I don't go into the GLBT oriented groups - because I view those as support for those who live that experience every single day.


Now since 2008 I've heard and read absolute nonsense about President Obama - at that time a candidate.

Stick a fork in me - I'm done. Let's entertain the "critiquers" for one moment . . .

I do. Then I hear and read the same things Sister Sarah Alaskastan and Sean Hannity have been spouting off for years now only wrapped up in big fancy blue bow instead of one of those "100 RED Stick On Bows for $2.99 at Target at Christmas".

There is no cult of personality on my part. I get that many of those folks toiled and suffered for their candidate in 2007. I did not.

I did not get all "we've got to win" until McCain said in August 2008 that he would not sit down down with Zappatero without preconditions. I found it extremely disturbing that he would not sit down with the leader of Spain, the leader of at that time the 8th largest economy in the world and an ally in Afghanistan that had lost soldiers due to our stupidity of going in there in the first place.

They've got to understand - using the same language and talking points only morphed to sound "liberal" is tiresome to some of us. We've been hearing this bullshit in the MSM ever since Edwards dropped out and the MSM selected S.O.S. Clinton to win in 2008.

And now today - a voting bloc has been lost. When you look at the racial make up of Philadelphia, what ALMOST happened there in 2012, and note that the VRA's most critical piece - Ask For Permission First - has been lost . . .

While they are worrying about the NSA - I'm worried about being sent back to 1950. Along with President Obama.

But they are okay with that I guess - as it means Obama gets punished.

And no - I'm not saying they are racist. *Rolling my eyes* because they will take it as such.


I'm saying I don't give a shit about Snowden, or the NSA, or Ellsberg, etc etc. I've got my own issues over here and with a little luck . . . that treasure troll Scalia will kick the bucket and President Obama can appoint a Justice that can stop the insanity. So I will not participate in weakening the Office of a lame duck President who does and has walked in the same shoes I have through the cesspool of bigotry and ignorance in America.

[IrishAyes]

18. As for the posers,

A skunk by any other name would still stink, wouldn't it?

[Politicub]

13. Here's the difference

Voting for Obama doesn't give people some kind of immunity or special privilege that runs counter to the group's charter. There are other places on DU where they can air their grievances to a receptive audience. This is not a forum to rehash negative opinion, and I kindly request people take their criticism somewhere else.

My interpretation of the BOG:

The BOG provides a forum for the President's supporters to gather and have constructive conversations. It's not a forum that tolerates personal attacks on its members or blanket condemnation of the President and his policies.

Our support of the president goes beyond him as an individual. We also believe in policies he has put forth and his long-term vision for the country. We actively work to bring his vision for a more perfect union, where everyone gets a seat at the table and equal opportunity, to fruition.

The BOG is a space where Obama's speeches and public appearances by him and the First Lady are presented for the enrichment of the group or anyone else who is interested.

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. Very well said.

[IrishAyes]

14. Since I'm not privy to the banning process, as you know,

I have to ask if you were banned for what you said in this group itself or what you said elsewhere? Except for the most egregious cases, I certainly don't believe you should be banned from BOG for honest questioning in other groups. That's the appropriate way to handle potentially contentious matters, or as I'm planning to do when time permits, questioning the BOG hosts privately about a particular issue. I try not to miss any of your posts because I find them well thought out and responsible. And, of course, I'm glad to see this OP here in the BOG. You don't seem to be throwing molotovs in just for the helluvit.
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Oh, sorry, now I see the link went to a post in GD by peacebird.

[grantcart]

20. Please don't bring disputes from GD into the BOG

The purpose of the BOG is to discuss and support the policies of President Obama in an atmosphere free of recrimination and vitriol.

Bringing in GD disputes here only degrades the atmosphere here.

If the atmosphere in GD bothers you please gather your facts and take on the issue or just ignore them and go to LBN, the Lounge and here.

Beside being against the SOP of the BOG it is unfair to raise an issue that the other side cannot respond to because it is a protected group. The thread you link was locked because it is whining about DU and we shouldn't allow that here either, its not in the SOP and it is counter productive.

Thank you for your understanding.