We need more positive Obama news on the homepage

[Politicub]

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DU, it seems, is becoming little more than a platform to bash president Obama.

I log in today and the first thing I see on the front page is a message thread about how Obama isn't progressive.

Are these people insane? Obama is the most progressive president of my lifetime and by a wide margin. Does universal access to HC insurance and mind-boggling progress on LGBT rights mean nothing to people?

Do posters understand how the legislative process works? The ACA is a platform that we can build on. The entire NSA apparatus was put in place long before President Obama took office. I could go on and on.

And of course there are valid criticisms of some policies, but personal attacks on the president's character need to stop.

I used to enjoy spending time on the site a lot more than I do now. I can't see myself giving DU up completely, but it's a buzzkill to see the president being bashed day in and day out.

Where is Skinner in all of this? Does he take a position? I'm scratching my head over the mission of DU, because I don't understand it now.

Women are being stripped of their rights across the country and the GOP is doing everything in its power to discourage people from exercising their right to vote.

These are real issues that are here now. We need to unite, focus and work as hard as we can to get Democrats elected into office.

DU can be a positive force for good. It doesn't have to be known as Demoralizing Underground.

Honestly, there's less Obama bashing on Yahoo comment streams than DU now. And that's saying a lot.

And it also tells me that DU isn't like the rest of the world. And now I'm glad of that. It pains me to say that, since DU used to be a respite from vitriol being flung at the president.

There are millions of us Obama supporters out there, but are we still welcome in the main forums like GD?

I am finding that I spend more time in the subgroups, which hasn't been a bad thing. I'm getting to know some pretty awesome people that I have a lot in common with.

I don't know what the answer is for DU or if there is a solution to be found.

But you know what? Obama continues to give me hope. Everything about his story proves anything is possible. I hope DU can become constructive again even as I fear the current climate is driving people away since it's no fun being the victim of the bash mob.

The front page enraged me today, which is why you're seeing this rant.



I'll close with a positive note by sending hugs to the BOG and other posters who still have faith in our remarkable president. We are the change we seek.

[Scuba]

1. Wow, universal access to for-profit healthcare insurance. That's some deal there.

[Politicub]

5. It's a fantastic deal

You obviously have no clue about the millions the ACA will help and the number of lives that will be improved.

The ACA will alleviate much of the fear families have about losing everything just because someone happens to need emergency surgery.

It's not perfect, and we all want a public option. But what we're getting until then is going to create positive change in the lives of so many.

To actively undermine the program is the height of selfishness. But you know that. You just don't care.

Instead of griping, why don't you join Enroll America in your state and help people get signed up? Many will get partial to fully subsidized coverage, which includes preventative care at no cost.

And thank you for providing an example of what I was ranting about.

[Scuba]

9. Yeah, I have no clue, only having worked as a hospital CXO for 32 years.

Medicare for All would actually help Americans and our economy, and our President had an opportunity to GO TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and rally them to the cause. He didn't. He didn't even try.

[freshwest]

13. My comment is true and still stands, which you ignored completely.

[NYC_SKP]

26. Eh.

Don't bother arguing.

[Cha]

19. actually Pres Obama got what he could and we're fortunate to have

that. It's a strong foundation to build on.

This is posted in the Barack Obama Group and only those who do support the President and are into the reality of the Progress he's made are welcome.

[sheshe2]

24. We posted at the same time Cha~

You beat me thought~

I give thanks that you are here!
BOG

[Cha]

30. And I,

you! BOG

I'm going out though..

[sheshe2]

32. I'll stay at the helm, Cha~

[Cha]

35. Cool, she..

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. "actually Pres Obama got what he could"

Yeah,...Bob Dole's alternative to "HillaryCare".

[Cha]

85. No, he got what could pass and a Strong Foundation to build on.

this is posted in the Barack Obama Group.. and sorry, those who are into cheap pot shots are not welcome here.

[sheshe2]

20. This is the BOG as you know Scuba...

Please proceed to GD.

[BobbyBoring]

52. Yep

That's what we need and could have had. I am going to have to shop for insurance for the first time in years as the state program I'm in is being shut down due to ACA.

Really looking forward to that~

[Politicub]

66. Really? Which state program is that?

[Whisp]

141. The State of Confusion perhaps? n/t

[Politicub]

156. Or the District of...

[Civilization2]

53. Aw, Snap!

People really should understand that other people may be better informed than they are BEFORE they start talking 'what's what',. . lolz


Forcing people to buy for-profit insurance is a joke!

Don't even get me started on drone murder, and the non-investigations or prosecutions of the bankster,. and on and on.

[Cha]

89. Don't worry, you won't be "getting started" on anything else to

whine about here. this is the Barack Obama Group and we look at the whole picture of what the Obama Admin has accomplished..and there's been tremendous victories.

[Just Saying]

77. That's what I'd like to have too

But I honestly still can't believe they passed ACA. It's a step and one we hadn't been able to make for many years before President Obama. Getting everyone covered, covering pre-existing conditions and removing caps is important. I'd love to see insurance out of healthcare but it will take time.

And I think the President worked very hard to get this passed.

[xtraxritical]

84. Let's see what the President does when Democrats increase their

numbers in both houses of Congress in 2014, which I think we will!
Carry on.

[Just Saying]

87. From your keyboard to God's ear

(If you believe in that sorta thing.)

I know I'm going to work with some organizations again to get out the vote. 2010 proved just how important each and every election is!

I'm hopeful!

[brush]

127. I certainly hope

you're right but with all the extreme Obama bashing here on DU it almost seems like 2014 will 2010 all over again.

I mean with all the meanness towards the president, are these people going to be able to get past that and go out and vote for Dems in 2014 and not just stay at home?

[Cha]

92. thanks for getting the realilty of the issue, Just Saying

[Dawgs]

145. True, but NONE of what you said makes it progressive. And, that was the point in the OP. n/t

[Dragonfli]

8. Who knew a Heritage Foundation insurance scam

Would be the "most progressive" policy "of my lifetime and by a wide margin." ?
Since the Heritage Foundation is the most progressive we can hope for by a wide margin it would be kinder just to shoot me in the head right now.

Ensuring the profit margin by mandate and government subsidies of a vulture industry that provides no actual health care and if fact can deny health care is about as progressive as mandating a mob protection racket as needed security for a storefront business, we'll just pay the fines via baseball bat to the store displays and a broken leg if we fail to obtain such needed "protection" from our protectors.

[Politicub]

10. You deny the ACA is a platform

I don't, and we'll see who is right in the end.

[Dragonfli]

16. I am not a kid, this is the same plan it was when Dole and Gingrich were pimping it.

It is a platform for a product that if one can even afford to buy one will most likely not be able to afford to use due to co-pays and deductibles designed to discourage users of this non-existent product from actually using it.

What is with the class tiered health access anyway? If one can only afford "bronze" because one is lower class one will also lack the cash needed for the inflated co-pays and deductibles that come with such "competitive" bronze plans.

I imagine those with lots of disposable income and gold plans will be happy with such a platform, the rest of us that won't be able to afford actual care under the bronze will just have to suck it up and stop being such a downer about not getting care yet paying for a vulture service that is little better than a "bronze" piece of expensive paper.

Do you agree with a class tier system of health care availability and delivery because it allows the precious market to provide to the worthy above all else, because that was The Foundations Rationale when developing this vulture market scam.

[Politicub]

70. I danced around my living room when the House passed the ACA

Never thought I would see such a thing in my lifetime. Denying people based on pre-existing conditions? Gone for good! Needing to stay in a job you don't really like just to keep the insurance? OVER! Needing to sign away your home because your father needed emergency surgery? Those days are almost behind us.

The bill didn't have everything I wanted, but damn if it isn't better than the status quo. If you don't think it's better than what we had, I don't see a need to have a discussion since our POV's are polar opposites.

I don't agree with class-tiered systems in principal - for anything - but I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater until something perfect comes along.

BTW - I lived the third example about my father. He was a laborer who couldn't get insurance for our family because no one would sell it to us. He needed emergency surgery, and with the size of the hospital bill, we almost lost our home that he worked so hard to build with his own hands. Even under a bronze plan, his max out of pocket may have been something like $8-$10k on the high end, which is far more manageable than $80 - $100k. And we'll never know, but his condition might have been caught with the preventative care that's part of every plan.

So don't belittle me or the millions that Obamacare is going to help. It's going to change lives, even while you sit in a corner and pout about it.

[Dragonfli]

74. Yes, it will help an entire vulture business model to flourish and leave actual care unaffordable

for the bronze class.

I am happy for the gold class that can access actual care, and the subsidized profits of protection racket gatekeepers whose entire business model revolves around discouraging people from receiving actual care by using high co pays and deductibles. Those practices are specifically designed to keep actual care out of reach of bronze class people that can not afford the gate fees after paying for the policy itself!!

Dance away. Greed is good eh?

[Politicub]

113. So your opinion is: nothing is better than something?

If it is, more power to you. But know I'll be fighting negative people like you tooth and nail while I volunteer for Enroll America to get as many people signed up as possible. It's going to be great!

You didn't address the points in my post. But then again, you don't want to have a discussion, so I'm not surprised.

[Dawgs]

146. So, we went from "the most progressive in my lifetime" to "better than nothing"?

Is that right?

[Politicub]

158. You must be a blast to talk to at a party

Me: "This guacamole is great!"

Dawgs: "I don't see anything but mashed up avocados that are nearly rotten. The host must be a poopy pants idiot."

Me: "I think it's pretty darn good."

Dawgs: "Just pretty good? I thought you said it was great earlier. So it's only good now, eh?"

Me:

Dawgs: "I hate this guacamole so much I'm going to burn down this house! If you weren't such a hypocrite, you would strike the match and hold it for me."

Me:

Dawgs: "you must be a cheerleader for the avocado industry AND the match lobby. Corporatist!"

Me (to another guest): "Don't say anything about the guacamole to that guy. He may have a complete mental breakdown."

Me and the other guest:

Dawgs:

[Dawgs]

163. Ah, reduced to making fun when you don't have an intelligent argument.

Got it.

[Cha]

134. All you have are talking points to bring down Obamacare and it's

not the reality of how many it is helplilng.

So since this is the Barack Obama Group.. you can take your negative bullshit elsewhere.

[BenzoDia]

62. The Heritage Foundation never intended to cover people with expensive pre-existing conditions

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/06/dont-blame-heritage-for-obamacare-mandate/

First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on “catastrophic” costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.

And from Mark Pauly, "Father" of the Individual Mandate:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/an_interview_with_mark_pauly_t.html

One feature was the individual mandate. The purpose of it was to round up the stragglers who wouldn’t be brought in by subsidies. We weren’t focused on bringing in high risks, which is what they're focused on now. We published the plan in Health Affairs in 1991. The Heritage Foundation was working on something similar at the time.

Huge difference.

[Politicub]

67. Nice link!

Bookmarking!

[BenzoDia]

68. Thanks, I updated it with an interview with Mark Pauly who came up with the idea for Republicans.

He explictly says they were not trying to bring "high risks" into the system.

[Politicub]

72. Again, great stuff

I hadn't seen this before.

[Dragonfli]

78. Well, you can join the Heritage Foundation if you find their views and history rewrites great stuff

If you like that site you may also like The US Chamber of Commerce. The RNC and several other conservative offshoots put out by friends of Conservative Republican businessman.

I don't think it's great stuff, but I am not a conservative, I'm a Democrat and we tend to be more Mother Jones than Heritage Foundation. I know, I know, not very bi partisan of me, one of my flaws.

[Politicub]

83. I stand corrected

I don't agree with the Heritage Foundation, but I was thanking the poster for info that disputes that Obamacare is the approach the Heritage Foundation advocates.

[BenzoDia]

94. See post 81. The Republican proposal allows insurers to set lifetime caps, thus denying coverage to

people with expensive illnesses.

[BenzoDia]

97. Or we can join the Dutch and Swiss since they have private insurance mandates as well.

[Dragonfli]

71. right wing trash, I posted the summery of the bill they are trying to disavow now.

There are no such things as extreme right wing links that are good links, especially those weasels.

The standard is not only to adopt their policies but to link to the Heritage Foundation for DU news and opinion now as well? How "bipartisany" of us.

[Dragonfli]

69. That is just pure misinformation put out by a right wing site trying to rewrite history

Of course they want the blame for this shit sandwich to rest entirely with Democrats. I can't believe you subscribe to such conservative trash, then again, third way is conservative.

In any event, luckily one can read the damn thing as proposed by them in '93 without the lying and re-rememberences of what they were pushing.

Here is a summary of the 1993 bill:

Title I: Basic Reforms to Expand Access to Health Insurance Coverage and to Ensure Universal Coverage - Subtitle A: Universal Access - Provides access to health insurance coverage under a qualified health plan for every citizen and lawful permanent resident of the United States.

(Sec. 1003) Establishes a program under which persons with low incomes (and who are not eligible for Medicaid) will receive vouchers to buy insurance through purchasing groups.

(Sec. 1004) Requires each employer to make available, either directly, through a purchasing group, or otherwise, enrollment in a qualified health plan to each eligible employee.

Subtitle B: Qualified General Access Plan in the Small Employer and Individual Marketplace- Requires the National Association of Insurance Commissioners to develop specific standards to implement requirements concerning: (1) guaranteed eligibility, availability, and renewability of health insurance coverage; (2) nondiscrimination based on health status; (3) benefits offered; (4) insurer financial solvency; (5) enrollment process; (6) premium rating limitations; (7) risk adjustment; and (8) consumer protection.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/february/23/gop-1993-health-reform-bill.aspx

Please don't believe everything your Republican friends across the aisle tell you when you lovebirds start looking for a bipartisan three way to screw the public with: Republicans lie and will never be your friend no matter how much you adopt their policies.

[BenzoDia]

81. Let's see, also from Kaiser Health News:

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/graphics/2010/022310-bill-comparison.asp

It says Chafee's plan does not prohibit insurers from setting life time caps. Therefore, they did not intend to cover people with expensive illnesses.

It also says there was not a medicaid expansion and employers are not required to contribute to their employees premiums. Huge differences.

[Dragonfli]

99. Well the employers are being left off the hook for now, maybe forever, Medicaid expansion

comes with cuts to the entire medicaid program that will further reduce the already few places that will treat medicaid recipients (exacerbating an already growing problem for places that can not perform for imbursement rates that are not enough to run a clinic on.)

Also although not specifically mentioned as caps the original version of this law covers that in other ways "guaranteed eligibility, availability, and renewability of health insurance coverage; (2) nondiscrimination based on health status;" and under the plans original draft, those that did not qualify for medicaid would get vouchers for the private plans instead.

Other than the lifetime cap which is dealt with in other ways, it is exactly what the Heritage Foundation proposed, which you appear to think is brilliant. Considering how much the Obama version of the Heritage bill changed, we likely could have gotten cap language with a threatened filibuster if any Democrats were stupid enough to adopt a right wing plan back then. We love Republican Ideas now that we knew were bad before.

Imagine that, old eighties and nineties Republicans didn't disappear, they simply invaded our party and brought their ideas with them it would seem.

[BenzoDia]

111. Other than the details and hypotheticals, they're exactly the same!

Obamacare looks a lot more like the Swiss healthcare model than the bill you put up.

But hey, details.

[IrishAyes]

91. And when they find fuzzy-minded people to put up with their crap

They take full advantage of the opportunity. Allowing them access to a supposedly democratic website, especially the (safe haven? HAH!) BOG is enabling their villany and becoming equally responsible.

[freshwest]

12. My father, husband and other friends and family members would have been alive today with the ACA.

It would have been good enough for my family and they would not be rotting in their graves now, dying before their time despite being able to afford insurance.

Yes, even in a private insurance market, they would still be alive.

Others who are alive but disabled, would not have lost their health and dignity for lack of any insurance.

The ACA's Medicaid expansion is helping people I know, since I lived in a state that worked hard to elect a blue governor.

BTW, did you read the SOP of the BOG?

[Politicub]

23. ..

[JustAnotherGen]

36. First

My father survived his stroke in 1998. Massive - he lost the ability to swallow. Fortunately he had it in Rochester NY where even the RGH was light years ahead in terms of stroke recovery. He walked out of the hospital 8 weeks later, and lived another 13 active years. But those were the times of commercial health insurance.

My parents were both high earners and had a solid retirement plan. But because they were high earners - they also had a huge savings account. And in spite of insurance - they had to pay close to 500K out of pocket for him to walk out alive.

Those were the days.

Fast forward to 2011 when dad is diagnosed with lung cancer due to his exposure to agents blue, white, and orange. Now he has Medicare and VA Hospital access. Out of pocket? Nothing disastrous.

He cheered when ACA passed - and I do too. It's a good start. It's not perfect, but we have to keep fighting. As my mom would say - what happens to people without our resources? Now - there's a little relief for them. There's a little guarantee that their coverage won't run out and a previous heart attack doesn't impact their stroke coverage.

And anyone who doesn't see that has never gone through what you did. They have no idea what the true cost of not having the ACA in place.

[Number23]

118. Amazing post, as usual JAG.

I love your family stories. And my family cheered with health care reform passed too. The only complaints I've heard is that my oldest aunt (aged 63) doesn't think it will kick in fast enough!

[ucrdem]

126. Thanks freshwest...

[Dawgs]

148. Still. That doesn't make it progressive, as suggested in the OP. n/t

[graham4anything]

51. You do realize, this is the Barack Obama group, not GD?

[IrishAyes]

80. They know, Graham, they know... as they so often state, THEY DON'T CARE

But they want humans to admire and listen to them. Those who do might as well hang up their DNA cards and pick up one labeled 'sheeple'.

[BenzoDia]

54. ACA includes funding and deals for non-profit insurers.

[thelordofhell]

2. It's become the DDU----Debbie Downer Underground

[ucrdem]

3. Home page is a bit of a puzzle.

ETA: But at the moment it looks pretty good so I guess it has its bad days.

[ananda]

4. Obama is not progressive.

Period.

[Politicub]

6. ..

[ucrdem]

7. Strongly disagree, on just about every issue too.

But did you know you're in the Barack Obama Group? Sometimes people don't realize.

[xtraxritical]

88. His post was directly about President Obama

if you don't like it say why.

[ucrdem]

123. Thanks. I notice you haven't given this thread a rec. Why don't you?

[xtraxritical]

124. OK I did. How could you tell I forgot to do that?

[ucrdem]

125. Thanks. We in the BOG have our ways.

Kidding. Click the number and it shows the names.

[Cha]

15. Yes, he is.. We've made lots of Progress over the years.

But, I know there are those who deny it.

This is the Barack Obama Group and only those who support that progress are welcome here.

[MjolnirTime]

57. Are you a Democrat?

[truedelphi]

11. However a man is known by the company he keeps.

And the appointments that a President makes, if they tend to be for the one Percent and of the military, Industrial, Governmental Insider, Bought and Paid for Political Crowd, and now the Surveillance crowd, do not go unnoticed. Especially when month after month the situation for the middle class is worse.

In other words, were it not for this group of people being appointed, I would probably be an Obama fan today:
Tim Geithner, Who headed the US Treasury:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timothy_Geithner_official_portrait.jpg

Ben Bernanke, wh obama re-appoited to the Federal reserve:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ben_Bernanke.jpg&h=1743&w=1400&sz=888&tbnid=qx4NPSONAkCG7M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=72&zoom=1&usg=__24V_SsiT8ZQimWImLqzArPeMbX0=&docid=N5ljc7rE0mg9RM&sa=X&ei=8yfbUYvZGujryAHPtIGQBg&ved=0CDAQ9QEwAQ&dur=4468

Mike Taylor, appointed as a commissioner to the FDA, so that Monsanto's agenda could be promoted:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fdaphotos/8190400421/

And of course, Henry K, adviser:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger&h=284&w=220&sz=10&tbnid=kDN1NHferxY8zM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=89&zoom=1&usg=__eVHawjGQqRiuNrCruEEjZwJcD78=&docid=KTYmyo31RT7GNM&sa=X&ei=wCfbUZnkLarxygGGk4D4Bg&ved=0CDMQ9QEwAg&dur=1235

And now Mr Clapper, who heads the NSA:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/james-clapper-nsa_n_3536483.html&h=1006&w=1536&sz=256&tbnid=LXU1gLTfX0DyaM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=137&zoom=1&usg=__ChOTNQO-rQb9zUC1_4O_XF8pqws=&docid=6Im9kCCqpWDR0M&sa=X&ei=MSjbUaOcBIPEyQH0xoCQCQ&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=1574

Please Note: [h2][font color=red] I tried and tried to get Rahm Emanuel's photo posted here, but it wouldn't take.[/h2][/font color=red] (Which made me wonder if he has a reflection when he looks in the mirror?)

[Politicub]

21. I prefer this list

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/29/1219935/-Obama-s-50-Greatest-Progressive-Accomplishments

And please respect the groups charter next time.

[xtraxritical]

90. People are getting here from the homepage "general discussion"

as such it is wide open at this time.

[Cha]

25. Yeah, yeah, we know you don't like Pres Obama..

BFD. He appoints those who he thinks will be the best for the job. No matter what their past affiliations.

Those in the BOG and elsewhere don't think PBO is perfect but if they're like me.. they appreciate him for what he has accomplished and there has been a lot.

I prefer to focus on the Victories and what can still be accomplished and not dwell on the negative.. over and over and over again. ODS isn't going to get you anywhere.

Edit: changed "is" to "if".

[nineteen50]

33. He appoints those who he thinks will be the best

for his 1% corporate funders.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Then you should have voted

For Romney.

[nineteen50]

40. I voted for Obama once never voted for Romney I hope next time we

have a real Democrat to vote for that walks his talk.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. So did you

Vote McCain in 2008?

[Cha]

38. That's ignorant.. ignorance is not

Welcome in the Barack Obama Group.

We have a reality based Group here.

[Cha]

43. Yes, I can see you're being "cockroach" and know all about them.

The Barack Obama Group is reality based and cockroaches aren't allowed.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Cockroaches?

http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_rwanda4.html

The Hutus called the Tutsis that. I think it's a fair comparison to all if the accusations being thrown around here at those who are NOT disgusted by the President and who don't want a "Revolution" of us being Nazis and Fascists.

And don't even try to pretend that those words are not being bandied about. Don't lie to me.

So if we are Nazis - then people who throw the word cockroaches around in regards to Human Beings are American Hutus.

[Politicub]

59. Are you seriously comparing a group of like-minded people to cockroaches

because they want to have constructive conversations about the president in their own group?

What's wrong with you?

[SunSeeker]

14. So gun nuts can't post in the Gun Reform group, but Obama haters can post in BOG? WTF? nt

[grantcart]

18. Obama haters are shown the door and blocked from membership.

If you see something objectionable then alert one of the hosts.

Thanks

[SunSeeker]

22. How do you alert a host? By hitting the alert button at the bottom of the post? nt

[Cha]

27. PM them Sunseeker.

We try to keep up with those who are disrespectful of boundaries. But, we're not always here in the BOG.

There should be a list at the top of the BOG hosts.. I don't know how up to date that is.. but I will contact Devon and make sure it is!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1102412

[nineteen50]

42. Sounds fascist.

[Politicub]

65. Your ignorance is showing

You should quit while you're ahead.

DU is a message board.

We have these things called Groups. You just replied to a post in a group.

Each has a charter and moderators to keep the conversation on topic. Groups cover things like movies, cooking, writing, LGBT activism, etc. People like them because they get to discuss topics with a like-minded group of people.

There are a variety of forums where anything goes on DU. Something for everyone!

Your posts on the BOG are akin to you interrupting a neighbor's book discussion group, pulling down your pants and taking a shit in the middle of it. And about as classy.

[xtraxritical]

96. People are getting here from the homepage "general discussion".

I agree with all you say politicub but to be fair all points of view are welcome in "general discussion".

[Politicub]

112. I should have mentioned GD in my post

in re: to anything goes.

Thanks for adding it to the discussion.

[IrishAyes]

105. That's telling it!

[IrishAyes]

103. If someone came in your house uninvited and unwanted, off the public street,

Would you call yourself a fascist for kicking him out, especially since he clearly mistook your home for an open pit toilet? I think not. And if you didn't kick him out hard and fast, only mewed about good manners, he'd know you for a fool and keep right on crapping and you'd deserve it then for lacking the spine to kick him out.

I'd like to maintain the hope that the BOG will rise to the occasion whether the entirety of DU does or not.

[Cha]

129. but then, what do you know about it? that's right,

nothing.

[IrishAyes]

86. Most of this day has been one long trash session

But I've pretty much quit alerting on anything because it seldom does any good. Which the trolls know. They're not afraid of gentle reminders.

If BOG had been this way when I first found it, I would've held my nose and turned away. We need moderators with muscle back in service. Juries are useless when half of them could be trolls anyway. That's leaving the fox to guard the hen house. When has that ever worked?

[IrishAyes]

98. If we do that,

Are you actually going to take the promised action instead of merely reminding them to behave, which you know they won't? Will you REALLY do it? I could've worn out that alert button today but didn't once because frankly, I see too much coddling right in front of my face. Polite reminders instead of a boot out the door.

[grantcart]

121. We have a zero tolerance policy however sometimes, as happened today, someone

who was blocked sends a DUmail stating that they didn't realize that they were posting in the BOG and then I unblock them.

For months we have had only a few during a month but today we had about a dozen. Currently there are a total of 77 blocked.

[IrishAyes]

147. Excellent sig line, btw

I'll try to keep my screams of outrage to an appropriate level, directed more accurately in the future.

[SunSeeker]

17. By the way, I'm right there with you Pliticub. This place has gone nuts. nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

28. so people can come over here and bash Obama on threads too?

unreal. WHy don't they just stay on their "I love Democrats--just not Obama" groups? Or just keep polluting the General Discussion board? Why come pursue people just to bash Obama?

[xtraxritical]

100. Politicubs post is on Homepage, general discussion, trending now, right now.

Just so you know.

[sheshe2]

107. Learn the rules of the groups before you post.

We know it goes to GD after 5 recs....however it is listed under "Barack Obama"

It is a group NOT a forum....

Read up on DU's rules please!

[AnnieK401]

29. I feel the same way! n/t

Sometimes it's like we living in different realities, just like with the Republicans.

[nineteen50]

34. Karl Rove (Neo-con) said in 2008 to Ron Suskind

"Guys like you are in--what we call--'the reality-based community'. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

[Cha]

130. Being the Barack Obama Group.. we don't really give a

shit what lies the asshole, Karl Rove, has to say.

[madamesilverspurs]

31. It is strange territory these days!

Stick my face in a meat grinder, or post something positive about Obama in GD -- same outcome.

Thankful for the BOG, more and more every day.

[SunSeeker]

45. I'm hoping it's because school is out for the summer. LOL. nt

[stupidicus]

41. too funny -- translation

shut-up with the criticisms lest the weak-minded be unduly influenced.

"Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."
-- Flannery O'Connor, writer (1925-1964)

"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry."
-- Thomas Paine, philosopher and writer (1737-1809)

[Just Saying]

114. The OP is in plain English

So no reason to translate. I have to say its laughable to think the threads bashing the President and anyone who agrees with him rise to the level of influencing anyone.



“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.”
― François de La Rochefoucauld

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Marcus Aurelius

[stupidicus]

116. SO was my post

I have to say it's laughable to think that the posts/threads bashing those honestly criticizing the policies of BHO and those that agree with them rise to the level of influencing anyone.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
- Aldous Huxley, novelist (1894-1963)

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
- Charles Darwin, naturalist and author (1809-1882)

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

[Just Saying]

119. Yeah, see I didn't try to translate yours

So my line doesn't work for you. Nor did I bash you. But hey don't let what I actually said get in your way!


“Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

(Closing statement of the debate with William Dembski at Prestonwood Baptist Church, Plano, Texas, November 18, 2010)”
― Christopher Hitchens

“Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.”
― Winston Churchill

“Respect is a two-way street, if you want to get it, you've got to give it.”
― R. G. Risch

[stupidicus]

152. because you say so?

your line works fine for me, and its use isn't tethered to whether or not you "translated" my words.

and quit lying. There is only one plausible reason for this comment

I have to say its laughable to think the threads bashing the President and anyone who agrees with him rise to the level of influencing anyone.

which was to "bash" all (and me personally since that was what I addressed in response to the top post and your garbage) those that dare criticize BHO, which is laughable as are those doing it by extension.

While you are perfectly free to remain "morally treasonable" to the American public as Teddy described your kind, you're not gonna be criticism-free for it.

And the "morally treasonable" aren't worthy of nor due any "respect".

just sayin....

[Just Saying]

153. No I don't consider my line about influence bashing.

And I think you should check where you are before you start with the moral treason bs.

No one said you couldn't "bash" our President (although not in this forum). But thinking that the nastiness and name calling (which you've given a fine example of here) out in GD somehow influences people is beyond ridiculous. Any mature, thinking person avoids those threads for the trash heaps they are. There is no meaningful dialogue going on there and it's sad because those are important issues.

You don't know the first thing about me yet you stereotype who I am and what I believe. Frankly, talking to people like that isn't worth the effort.

Have a nice day!

[stupidicus]

155. oh you poor thing

are you confused about where we "are"? That would appear to be the least of your confusions.

Like many of your ilk, you also seem to be CONfused about the definition/concept of reciprocity. I don't blame anyone that is "name-called", etc, for merely being critical of BHO for reacting negatively to their detractors because of the first blood drawn nature of this.

And I reject the notion that direct "name-calling" etc is substantively different from the efforts to mask the identical insult in 25 words or less, (or more as the top poster did) as well as the idea that just because some name-calling occurs that all the dialogue and arguments that accompanies it are rendered meaningless. Both sides (starting with yours notwithstanding) are playing a "you're a dumbass and here's why" game, and just because a "dumbass" designation may be a part of it doesn't refute the "why" part of it. It just at best, provides those like you cause based on some "civility" standard, to errorneously if not dishonestly dismiss the material in its entirety.

Do you think they/those posts are trying to influence people like you or the top poster here? Of course they're not. They're either in response to the frustration attributable to the illiberal intolerance and consequent namecalling, etc, from your camp, or to provide additional material in support of the indictment of BHO they all represent on the spying issue.

Gee, what's next, such positive (although I'm sure you'd characterize it as "negative" reinforcement) reinforcement those BHO "bashing" posts represent aren't influencing?

Noun
The capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.

Maybe you should spend more time with a dictionary, and less time posting to people like me, and particularly as the one who starts the dialogue. Of course you don't see your line of BS as "bashing", because your kind gets to decide what is or is not insulting, how much so, and what the just and proper response to it might be. That's why the top poster felt free to ask whether we're insane or not, with the expectation that those like you would come along and ditto it, and to pounce on anyone that might take offense to it as I and perhaps others did.

I wouldn't go so far as to say your kind aren't worth talking to, but nicely is another story entirely. I have no problem whatsoever stating right up front and in no uncertain terms how I feel about your kind. I do however find it highly amusing that you "Are they insane?" types somehow seem to think you're the only clean and oh so civil highbrows though. I also find it highly amusing that we're allegedly "free" to "bash" BHO, and yet there's been a price to pay for it since the great chained cpi debate for doing so in the form of name-calling, etc, from your side.

just sayin...

[Just Saying]

157. Lmao at your long winded response!

Perhaps you need a laxative?



Your ilk
CONfused
Spend more time with a dictionary
Your kind
Those like you
Your kind

Again sweetie pie, you don't know me, but your need to define me is amusing. Btw, I didn't read past the first sentence-just to show how your post is about attacking me rather than making any valid point.

In short, you're screeching at yourself.

[stupidicus]

161. thanks for tacitly conceding the validity of my observations and remarks

and yes, I'm quite accustomed to that as well as the "Long winded", "didn't read past the first sentence", "a valid point wasn't made" (like you could possibly know that after claiming to have not read it) dodges. The "LMAO" is almost always to be found too, which is understandable since laughter of that kind often accompanies recognition of ones impotence. Oh dear sweetie pie, did I once again "define" you?

What seems like a "long winded" response to you is a relatively brief effort to me, and at the expense of further "defining" you, it only speaks to our relative abilities to think and type. You're not a slow guy/gal, are you?

Nothing I posted was applicable to me other than as an explanation for this and that, and by your own admission, and despite claiming not to have "read it", it was mostly about "defining you" only and simply as one in the "BHO bashers/their efforts are bad and laughable -- if not insane" camp which your efforts in this post shows you to be. That of course is a very narrow case of defining, and hardly comparable to a much wider and therefore likely unsupportable case of "defining" you. As it turns out, you seem to support bashing on the part of your tribe -- even as the initiators of it -- but are highly critical of that which occurs in response to it. So I suppose hypocrite could be applied as well. As to the extent or subject specific ways in which that hypocrisy might manifest itself or be observed, again I can only make the very narrow case it is seen here on the "bashing" issue before us, but I would think it reasonable to argue it would be found outta you on ANY issue where BHO was being "bashed". That has already been seen outta many. As I've noted many times since this issue erupted, it's really nothing more than a repeat of the BS seen outta your kind over the chained cpi issue that started well before the election. How did that work out by the way?

So how that gets translated into my screeching at myself will have to remain a mystery that you are seemingly equally incapable of articulating without the insulting you deplore so much outta others. It looks to me like you were quickly reduced to the "last word" mode as is common with your kind, despite the assertion in your previous post that "my kind" aren't worth such an effort. Apparently that's just another example of your need for a dictionary and/or a confusion cure, given that even a "last word" effort is "talking to" those not worth the effort like me.

Have a nice evening, and I'll look forward to your next less than creative dodge similar in form and substance to the last one to someone not worth talking to. Do you often keep talking to those not worth talking to, and if so, why is that?

[Just Saying]

162. Nope didn't read this one either.

Do you often keep talking when no one is listening? How tiresome.

But you're right on one thing, this is a waste of my time.

Enjoy you're evening judging people you don't know and talking to yourself!

[stupidicus]

165. further tacit concessions were neither solicited nor warranted

but welcomed.

I suppose it can be said that you know your limitations.

[Iliyah]

44. Seems like depressors

if you don't straddle their hateful and their malicious devotion to anything not Obama. Now I know they are trying to divide and conquer the Dems in not voting in 2014 so thereafter they can spew more bullshit that why can't Obama do anything and he is not a progressive crap, also posting the same bullshit threads over and over and over hoping for a GOPer president n 2016 so they can come here and cry the blues and of course blame blame blame

GOPer backers have tons of money to paid bloggers to disrupt.

[mehrrh]

46. Obama bashing

I couldn't agree more with you.
I have felt the same for quite a while now.
There are enough on the right who bash the prez daily, that it is really discouraging to find the same - and even worse - going on over here. That's not to say that criticism isn't warranted, but this is getting out of hand...it's often unreasonable and illogical.
When liberals and Dems do not defend the president, or understand how the government operates, or even give him the benefit of the doubt, what do we expect the republicans to do?
Isn't our goal to keep the Senate and try to take the house? To get the Democratic agenda passed?
Republicans have their supporters defending them every day 24/7 -- where are the Dems?
Instead, all I see are attacks on the president coming at him from the right and the left.
I am glad to see your "rant" today -- I think it is warranted. People need to think about the long haul, instead of assisting the Republicans.

[xtraxritical]

102. Exactly, let's withhold judgment until we Democrats increase our

numbers in both houses of Congress in 2014. We will too, and the President will get to work.

[hopemountain]

47. exactly, politicub!

- the hateful anarchist trolls may think they are demoralizing true du'ers...now that they have come in and putrified the main pages with their anti democracy, anti american, and hateful racist fueled attacks on our president. they are a pathetic scourge on our country and democracy.

there is an antidote and i, for one, refuse to be demoralized by their attacks. i do not blindly follow our president - but i do believe he is doing a damn freakin' good job through some pretty f'd up circumstances. he has my support.

[sigmasix]

117. this x 1000's NT

[Demeter]

48. When a person cannot handle REALITY

then perhaps one of those online "virtual world" games would be more gratifying than Democratic Underground, as we discuss serious Constitutional issues and the Administration's role in them, and not "fantasy politics".

After all, this is a forum for thinking, caring, progressively oriented people, not the digital equivalent of one of those Celebrity fan magazines at the checkout counter of your local supermarket.

[Cha]

95. Wrong. This is the Reality Based Group of Barack Obama..

not some free for all for ignorant cheap pot shots directed at the President.

[Dawgs]

149. No. The OP was talking about DU in general. Not just this group. n/t

[Cha]

160. I don't care. No one comes in this group with their ignorant, holier than

thou talk about "fan magazines". It's bullshit.

[hopemountain]

128. the reality, demeter is that

progressive change in a democracy does not happen overnight nor with the click of a mouse.

this type of real change takes lots of work, informative, articulate, and fact based dispersal of knowledge about issues, phone calls, meetings, letters, radio presentations, fundraising, and the election and support of those who support the progressive change we desire. and then - even more footwork, phone calls, forums, etc., along with personal communication to our elected representatives. as you know, a bill through government channels can take many twists and turns.

this is reality. what do you think haranguing and bashing an elected representative accomplishes? not "progress".

one thing i understand about president obama - he is committed to preserving our democracy - in sort of an old school way. one example is by putting those we perceive as our corporate opposites in leadership posts in his cabinet/administration to push compromise to the limits. if he did not have these corporate stakeholders in these positions, i doubt anything at all would be accomplished in the government. compromise is a huge part of a true democracy - and that is reality, too.

[Cha]

131. Brilliant post, hopemountain.. thank you,

so much!

[Thinkingabout]

49. PBO had big job to do when he arrived, dont think he is finished but i will stick with him.

I wish he had a Congress interested in governing but that has not happened yet. I don't like to vote on a candidate on one issue and I sure won't vote against him because of one issue.

[Number23]

50. You already know the answer to this

There are millions of us Obama supporters out there, but are we still welcome in the main forums like GD?

The answer is no and has been for a long, LONG damn time. Our numbers are far, FAR greater within the party than the naysayers which is why they have to scream and bray so loudly here. It is any wonder that DU's membership and traffic has declined so much in numbers as well as level of discourse?

http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/political-websites
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10151227-2.html
http://voices.yahoo.com/top-10-liberal-political-blogs-1895574.html

And wouldn't be surprised to find that some groups don't even know where to put DU in its rankings. There are usually three options -- liberal, conservative and non-partisan. This place is sure as hell not liberal and it's not non-partisan. Where does it go?

Where is Skinner in all of this? Does he take a position? I'm scratching my head over the mission of DU, because I don't understand it now.

Join the club.

[Civilization2]

55. How about more positive posts when we see some positive CHANGE!

What, you want more positive posts, without any actual positive news?

Seems rather backwards in logic to me.

[beachgirl2365]

61. AMEN to That!

[mia]

63. Front page news items shouldn't be propaganda pieces.

I wish that President Obama had the power to help us get through these horrible times.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. Want a "pick-me-up?"

[bunnies]

108. Yes.

[marble falls]

73. Then the President needs to close Gitmo, clear out of Afghanistan, avoid Syria....

end Prism .... in no particular order.

[Cha]

104. Obviously President Obama cannot close Guantanamo on his

own.. he needs Congressional approval for the funds. this is the Barack Obama Group and we only deal in the reality of the issues here.

that gitmo ignorance is getin way too old.

[BornLooser]

75. Psssssssssssst...It's Politics, yes? FFS!

Best have thick skin, I'll wager the Big O does. This is how it works. Folks suss it out, warts and all. Are We The People now the only ones left to hold feet to fire?, you bet your asses We are, now that the third rail of the press is splintered, bought, paid for and canned. There are times when the focus should be on the porch itself rotting away at the core...not the nice porch post painted bright blue. I finally opened an account specifically FOR the spirited discussion, from ALL sides of the arguments. You citizens engage, and you rock! Does it get nasty? Boy Howdy! But I'll gawdamn guarantee all of you...this place matters, this site holds more info, solid opinion, and damned fine writing the likes of which you will not see elsewhere. This sight is relevant not only to the members, it sways opinion all over the world. For me, what it all boils down to...We fight for each other. If an opinion is thrown out there, it WILL be scrutinized, for good or ill. If you choose to engage, be prepared for the very best AND worst of it. That IS Democracy, the Big D, the melting pot, NOT a bunch of Bots wired to the collective hive mind, and I have a duty to act accordingly. I'm BornLooser, I'm damned glad to be here, now keep splittin' hair, spewin' the truth, and by all means...rave on!

[Politicub]

79. Welcome to DU!

Nice post.

I don't disagree that politics gets nasty, and I love a good debate. But I get tired of seeing the same negative crap on the homepage when more is going on in the world that deserves our attention.

I made my post to the BOG instead of General Discussion to give it some context. There are a lot of us who admire President Obama even as we hold his feet to the fire, as he asked us to do.

[BornLooser]

106. Thanks!

I appreciate it. I, like others, become conflicted, frustrated, and even angry at times at the Party rank and file, making me think that Carlin was right, they're all in on it, and we're stuck, every time, footing the bill. I'm severely pissed at the robosigners masquerading as Democrats on the Hill, I won't get personal about my president, I've never met him. I do, however, know life from bullshit, and from where I'm sitting?, there IS plenty to go around. This Party needs to buck up, and freaking do the right thing, for ALL of us. The game needs changed, and here is where it starts...all the best Politicub. Go Blue!

[mia]

93. "what it all boils down to...We fight for each other"

Glad you're here!

[BornLooser]

110. Thanks mia!

You too!

[IrishAyes]

76. DU has been overrun with barn rats lately

And the cats haven't been cleaning house very well. Leaving it up to juries is futile, since many of those chosen are going to be troll invaders paid to relieve themselves everywhere and make intelligent discourse impossible. WE NEED TO RETURN TO STRONG MODERATORS unafraid to rap knuckles hard and kick the bustards out if necessary. I understand the desire to be as tolerant and inclusive as possible - it springs from noble hearts - but clutch a rattlesnake to your bosom and you WILL get bitten.

[Cha]

101. Nobody's leaving it up to the juries, IrishAyes.

The BOG Hosts have been cleaning it up asap. If you think someone should be banned because they're not respecting the Mission Statement of our Group; please PM us.

There's a list pinned at the top of the Group. It's not totally up to date but it soon will be. For one thing..my name isn't on there but it will be.

BOG

[IrishAyes]

109. But will anyone actually show them the door?

Until that starts to happen with reasonable certainty, all these repeated polite reminders I see everywhere over and over again are so much wasted breath. Nothing breeds disrespect for the law (or community standards) as the reliable failure to enforce. Kids know that when they say of their parents, "Aw, they're just bluffing, heard it a million times before, they won't really do anything..."

And no mistake, today was only the beginning. It will rapidly grow worse if the people you ask to alert you give up because they don't see any effective response. There's a time for reason and a time for kneecaps.

[Cha]

120. They're being blocked behind the scenes.. they won't be

back. You can't see it but, it's being done.

Aloha, IrishAyes

[IrishAyes]

144. I will take your word for it, Cha.

Yesterday was a disaster, though.

Please don't be afraid to hurt anyone's widdle feelings, not even mine. I once posted an honest question and was targeted by the nihilists, but I learned my lesson quickly. Another reason I got so hot yesterday is that I had such an entirely different agenda upon arising; I'd wanted to send you and a few others a private request for references on a particular subject, and that had to take a back seat to the melee that erupted before I got the chance. Of course I've read pros and cons on the matter already, but I don't feel I've completed due diligence yet. So if I haven't worn out my own welcome! I'll try to get those PM's out today. Time's a'wastin'.

[Parable Arable]

150. Do People Have The Right To Criticize This President?

Of course they do, and I totally understand a fair amount of the criticism.... However, that belongs on the General Discussion fourm and the Politics forum to a lesser extent.. What transpired yesterday was absolutely disgusting.... The parameters should be pretty clear here: "You have an area of the site that allows you to voice disapproval over this president, and the BOG has theirs".

I have zero clue what the "Obama is detrimental" crowd hoped to gain by coming here? Did they want to protest the fact that the group felt like not enough good Obama news was being put on this site? If that is so, why not PM the topic creator? Or maybe start a thread in the GD? I have never been more disappointed in this site than I was yesterday. Honestly, I really try to be sympathetic to the crowd that believes that Obama isn't progressive enough, but when they start throwing out terms like, "fascism", "worshipers", and whatever, I feel like their argument loses a lot of credibility and substance, in favor of hyperbolic rhetoric.

A poster here compared the group to a "celebrity fan magazine" or something like that... Okay, I'll bite.... Does that label extend to the Elizabeth Warren group as well? Does it extend to the John Kerry group? I think not.. Those groups, similar to this one, are run by thoughtful and intelligent people who merely want to express support for the politicians they admire.

[IrishAyes]

154. Very well said.

Eventually I was out for blood yesterday, and I don't enjoy the experience. Ruined my afternoon nap!

[Cha]

159. Great post, Parable Arable. They're just jealous.. we know them by

their petty bully-boy taunts.

Considering the source of those taunts means we're doing something amazing here in the BOG!

BOG

[Just Saying]

82. I love this post and completely

Agree but reading the thread is just depressing. Can't even give our President credit where it's due!

I feel like people assume he has more power than he has to do certain things while at the same time blame him for overreaching!

[Summer Hathaway]

115. The fact that posts like this in the BOG

are invariably disrupted by those insisting on spreading their vitriol, even in what is designated as a protected group, tells you everything you need to know.

The RW trolls, the anti-Obama posters, and the out-and-out shit-disturbers-for-fun-and-profit types just can't resist highjacking any discussion that even smacks of positivity about the President and/or the Party.

There is an agenda at work here - very deliberately carried out by some, aided and abetted by others who see the enemy of their enemy as their friend.

And that agenda necessarily includes disrupting the BOG, where Obama-supporters congregate and can be targeted as those to be driven off DU.

[Cha]

132. That's what I think, Summer.. thank you for

stating it so well.

Says everything about their tactics which is all they have. I was just on a jury over a post calling Obama Supporters "bootlickers". It was allowed to stand because it was 3 to 3. So, the BOG is the one place where ignorant crap is not tolerated or anything really that doesn't meet with the Mission Statement.

And, those who want to come here and not play by the rules Will be Blocked and that will be the last time.

If they had a Snowden Group.. I couldn't care less about intruding.

[Summer Hathaway]

137. And thank you, Cha, for all you do.

There actually IS an agenda being carried out here. And calling Obama-supporters 'bootlickers' is actually the least of it - as bad as that is, here on what alleges to be a "Democratic-supporting" website.

The problem is NOT that their tactics are all they have - the problem is their tactics are all they need - because those tactics are being sanctioned by the 'jurors', while the Admins are busy looking the other way.

[Cha]

140. Yeah, I can see that.

Now we got someone espousing .. this is not a "Democratic Cheerleaders Association". rofl .. ya think?

they can keep carrying it out but that doesn't mean they'll succeed.

[Summer Hathaway]

142. The fact is, Cha

that they ARE succeeding. The fact that Obama-supporters can be called 'bootlickers' on DemocraticUndergound is proof of that.

The site is infested with RW trolls, which means the juries are now infested with them as well.

The writing is on the wall - and the writing says, loud and clear, that Obama-supporting Dems are to be driven off DU - and apparently the Admins are cool with that.

I participate on other Democratic websites - and the influx of new sign-ups, all former DU members, over the past few days is noteworthy. Obama-supporters have had enough - and their desire to find sites where they are welcomed rather than disparaged is proof of that.

I greatly admire you and those others here who continue to fight the good fight, against all odds. But in the long run, it is a losing battle. DU will never again be a sanctuary for Democrats. It is just a haven for the anti-Obama/anti-Dem forces, who are now free to do whatever they please.

[Cha]

143. I know exactly how you and they feel, Summer. I made my

exit in 2010(the Affordable Care Act didn't set well with so many lol) for 2 years and only came back for the 2012 Campaign. I was some of the last to leave in the exodus at that point in time.. hanging on.. for what?

I do like a lot of peeps here, enormously.. so it would be hard to leave again. Unless they all go and I'm alone in the BOG. Then I'd have to rethink this whole thing.

The fact that Obama-supporters can be called 'bootlickers' on DemocraticUndergound is proof of that.

But, "this isn't a Democratic Cheerleaders Association!!"

Speaking of Democratic sites.. the obama diary is a good source of information and history of the Admin. And, they're real activists out IRL, too.

[reusrename]

122. We need more positive Obama news IRL.

[Cha]

133. It's around.. usually buried under a mountaiin of crap.. One reason we

have the Barack Obama Group. So we can post it here and intruders are not allowed to drop their cheap ignorant pot shots.

this is just from today, reusername..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212098

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212087

[reusrename]

138. As for your first link, I live in FL. As for the second link, I admit he has good intentions.

I think shutting down Afghanistan will go something like shutting down Gitmo. I pray I'm wrong here.

As for FL healthcare under this known Medicaid fraud Governor Scott. A national system would have been nice, a lot of progressives wanted that. I don't believe one bit of all those great things will do much for us here, unless things have somehow changed drastically since I was last in the hospital and looked ahead at what to expect.

Got any good news?

[Cha]

135. More.. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212126

[Cha]

139. Actually, I thought you were serious and now I see you're not

..so you and you can post your ignorant bullshit elsewhere .. just not in the Barack Obama Group, anymore.

[on point]

151. More positive action by Obama would create more positive news stories. No?

[Jamaal510]

164. Do positive jobs numbers ring a bell?

What about drawing down 2 wars? Keeping the country safe from any major attacks? Trying to enact gun safety laws? Doing more for gay rights than all of his predecessors combined? Wait, there's more:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

The number of jobs created under him has no doubt been an improvement over Bush ll, but it would've been even higher had our Republican friends in Congress went ahead and passed his jobs bill from 2011. Of course, no one wants to pay attention to what Congress does and how they've tried to block him, because you know...we elected a king.