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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:11 PM May 2013

"The Voice of this woman is someone we should listen to"

Last edited Thu May 23, 2013, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

During the President's outstanding discussion of security issues ranging from pursuing terrorist organizations and lone wolf attackers to civil liberty issues to closing GITMO, the President made a comprehensive discussion of many sensitive issues and handled them with his trademark sensitivity and practicality. Among the other issues he outlined was the need to move from a war setting to a more basic law enforcement strategy.

At the end he made an impassioned plea and plan to close GITMO.

After laying the foundation for the case, once again, and as he was calling on Congress to remove restrictions on moving GITMO prisoners he was repeatedly heckled by a single woman who we could not quite hear.

The President was beyond patient and kind. He extended every courtesy to her and kept repeating, "I am about to address that very issue".

She continued to interrupt the President and the crowd continued to give the President enthusiastic ovations for both his handling of the woman and his determination to close GITMO (it was before a National Security crowd).

After her third eruption she was, obviously, being taken out by security and you could mark her movement by watching the President's eyes as he followed her movement out of the room.

After many seconds of silence he resumed, with another ovation, and said "The voice of this woman is someone we should listen to". He went on to note that she obviously wasn't listening to what he had to say but he didn't demean or ridicule her.

It was another outstanding performance by a great man who is a great President.

I have never seen any President treat such a rude heckler with such courtesy and decency.

he outlined were sensible in dealing with both security issues and issues of liberty.

Beyond that it is an example of each of us on how to interact with people we disagree with, whether at DU or at Denny's.

I will edit the link in when I find it.

Tks to TX Grandpa who has a link to the outburst and to the whole speech



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/23/obama-guantanamo-bay-prison-counterterrorism-speech/2355395/

The increasingly irritated president, who was trying to outline revamped steps to close down the Gitmo prison, re-started, only to be interrupted again.

"Now, this is part of free speech," Obama said. "You being able to speak, but also you listening and me being able to speak, right?"

As security officials began to gathered around Benjamin, she shouted at one point about Gitmo: "It's been 11 years!"

At another, Benjamin began yelling over the death of the 16-year-old son of a terrorist suspect during a drone strike.

"Is that the way we treat a 16-year-old?" Benjamin was heard to say.

Obama said at one point, "You should let me finish my sentence."

Benjamin went on: "Will you compensate the innocent family victims? That will make us safer here at home. I love my country. I love the rule of law. Drones are making us less safe."

As Benjamin continued to talk -- and was eventually escorted from the hall -- Obama said her words and those of other protesters have to be taken seriously.

The president also made a little joke about the situation.

"I'm going off-script, as you might expect here," he told the crowd, drawing chuckles.

"The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to," Obama said. "Obviously, I do not agree with much of what she said. And obviously, she wasn't listening to me in much of what I said. But these are tough issues, and the suggestion that we can gloss over them is wrong."

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"The Voice of this woman is someone we should listen to" (Original Post) grantcart May 2013 OP
Agreed. Jamaal510 May 2013 #1
Sure, Obama gives a good speech, but FDR would have ... JoePhilly May 2013 #2
In my opinion FDR is the greatest pollitician elected to any office. grantcart May 2013 #4
That's a pretty good assessment. JoePhilly May 2013 #5
I can understand that. Brigid May 2013 #8
Only if he is on the crapper and calling in Boehner to humiliate him while he is on the throne. grantcart May 2013 #15
I heard about that. Brigid May 2013 #17
Just got back from an errand and passed a truck that had a bumper sticker that said grantcart May 2013 #16
I think that bumper sticker was on a Republican's car. Hope so anyway. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #20
Challenging opponents by Opening the process some & Connecting to Foreign Aide. patrice May 2013 #3
Thank you patrice. sheshe2 May 2013 #7
Sorry to say, he won't get an honest hearing. "One World Order" freaks are gearing up as we "speak". patrice May 2013 #10
Thank you, grantcart. sheshe2 May 2013 #6
In many ways, Obama Brigid May 2013 #9
Tell it, sister. IrishAyes May 2013 #30
+1,000 LeftInTX May 2013 #32
RT will be out in a bit beating the propaganda drums about what they're going to say is patrice May 2013 #11
Here's the speech...I am listening now. sheshe2 May 2013 #13
thanks She.. this will have to wait Cha May 2013 #23
I listened to the President's speech while driving errands today... Demoiselle May 2013 #12
Same here! Kath1 May 2013 #28
And some people can't understand why we love him. IrishAyes May 2013 #31
Thanks for posting this... TxGrandpa May 2013 #14
When Medea Benjamin and Code Pink -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #18
lol grantcart May 2013 #19
Medea managed to get the facts right when bush was in office. She can't Cha May 2013 #21
Medea and her political priorities haven't changed a bit -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #24
Good for you. President Obama wants Gitmo closed more Cha May 2013 #25
Excellent analysis, grant. thank you! Cha May 2013 #22
VERY well-said, Cha! Kath1 May 2013 #26
"The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to" Kath1 May 2013 #27
++++ good post, Kath1 Whisp May 2013 #33
Very Solomanesque IrishAyes May 2013 #29

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
1. Agreed.
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:23 PM
May 2013

He handled that situation like a boss and managed to keep his composure. Too many people just want to shout and not do much listening. She's probably one of those people who believe that Obama can just close GITMO willy-nilly.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
4. In my opinion FDR is the greatest pollitician elected to any office.
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:39 PM
May 2013

But I find the rose colored glasses used by some on his Presidency to be painful and humorous in turns.

Your post in juxtaposition to executive order 9066 makes that painful/humorous point in spades.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. That's a pretty good assessment.
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:47 PM
May 2013

I always get a kick out of folks claiming to know what some prior President would do today.

Congress is different, politics is different, society is different ... but somehow we think we know what FDR, LBJ, Kennedy or maybe Lincoln would do today.


Brigid

(17,621 posts)
8. I can understand that.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
May 2013

But is it OK if I still imagine LBJ beating the crap out of Boehner and a couple of others I could mention?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
15. Only if he is on the crapper and calling in Boehner to humiliate him while he is on the throne.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:57 PM
May 2013

Something that LBJ did more than once.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
16. Just got back from an errand and passed a truck that had a bumper sticker that said
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:00 PM
May 2013

"I miss IKE" which I assume is the driver's clever way of saying that he doesn't like Obama.

I wonder what he would think of IKE's 80% tax rate, etc.

The ignorance of history burns and burns.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,652 posts)
20. I think that bumper sticker was on a Republican's car. Hope so anyway.
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:15 PM
May 2013

Since the party system has become a form of sport and we root for our team. Being a Republican today is like being a Yankee fan, spending millions for this franchise that doesn't bring home the World Series trophy..

patrice

(47,992 posts)
3. Challenging opponents by Opening the process some & Connecting to Foreign Aide.
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/read-transcript-of-obamas-speech-on-counterterrorism-policy

~ snip ~

Going forward, I have asked my Administration to review proposals to extend oversight of lethal actions outside of warzones that go beyond our reporting to Congress. Each option has virtues in theory, but poses difficulties in practice. For example, the establishment of a special court to evaluate and authorize lethal action has the benefit of bringing a third branch of government into the process, but raises serious constitutional issues about presidential and judicial authority. Another idea that’s been suggested – the establishment of an independent oversight board in the executive branch – avoids those problems, but may introduce a layer of bureaucracy into national-security decision-making, without inspiring additional public confidence in the process. Despite these challenges, I look forward to actively engaging Congress to explore these – and other – options for increased oversight.

I believe, however, that the use of force must be seen as part of a larger discussion about a comprehensive counter-terrorism strategy. Because for all the focus on the use of force, force alone cannot make us safe. We cannot use force everywhere that a radical ideology takes root; and in the absence of a strategy that reduces the well-spring of extremism, a perpetual war – through drones or Special Forces or troop deployments – will prove self-defeating, and alter our country in troubling ways.

So the next element of our strategy involves addressing the underlying grievances and conflicts that feed extremism, from North Africa to South Asia. As we’ve learned this past decade, this is a vast and complex undertaking. We must be humble in our expectation that we can quickly resolve deep rooted problems like poverty and sectarian hatred. Moreover, no two countries are alike, and some will undergo chaotic change before things get better. But our security and values demand that we make the effort.

~ snip ~

Success on these fronts requires sustained engagement, but it will also require resources. I know that foreign aid is one of the least popular expenditures – even though it amounts to less than one percent of the federal budget. But foreign assistance cannot be viewed as charity. It is fundamental to our national security, and any sensible long-term strategy to battle extremism. Moreover, foreign assistance is a tiny fraction of what we spend fighting wars that our assistance might ultimately prevent. For what we spent in a month in Iraq at the height of the war, we could be training security forces in Libya, maintaining peace agreements between Israel and its neighbors, feeding the hungry in Yemen, building schools in Pakistan, and creating reservoirs of goodwill that marginalize extremists.

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
7. Thank you patrice.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:03 PM
May 2013

From your Link~

Lethal yet less capable al Qaeda affiliates. Threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad. Homegrown extremists. This is the future of terrorism. We must take these threats seriously, and do all that we can to confront them. But as we shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of this threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11. In the 1980s, we lost Americans to terrorism at our Embassy in Beirut; at our Marine Barracks in Lebanon; on a cruise ship at sea; at a disco in Berlin; and on Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie. In the 1990s, we lost Americans to terrorism at the World Trade Center; at our military facilities in Saudi Arabia; and at our Embassy in Kenya.These attacks were all deadly, and we learned that left unchecked, these threats can grow. But if dealt with smartly and proportionally, these threats need not rise to the level that we saw on the eve of 9/11.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
10. Sorry to say, he won't get an honest hearing. "One World Order" freaks are gearing up as we "speak".
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:10 PM
May 2013

sheshe2

(87,272 posts)
6. Thank you, grantcart.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:00 PM
May 2013

This is how a President should act, with dignity. He's a truly great man. It is so sad that others do not see this.

"The voice of this woman is someone we should listen to". He went on to note that she obviously wasn't listening to what he had to say but he didn't demean or ridicule her.


I look forward to your update.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
11. RT will be out in a bit beating the propaganda drums about what they're going to say is
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:16 PM
May 2013

the "ass kicking" she gave to PO.

It would help if we could get her words honestly and precisely so that we could compare what she said right straight across to what PO said, not only in his prepared speech, but also in direct reply to her.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
23. thanks She.. this will have to wait
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

until later tonight but I appreciate that it's here for us.

BOG

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
12. I listened to the President's speech while driving errands today...
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:23 PM
May 2013

I was in and out, didn't hear it all straight through...but it occurred to me that he really does credit us all with lots of brainpower.
No talking down, no catchy talking points, just straight sensible stuff. He makes me proud.








Kath1

(4,309 posts)
28. Same here!
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:25 AM
May 2013

I had a relative serving in Iraq. His wife went to an anti-war demonstration in DC with me and she carried his picture. That was a very bold move for her. She was very self-conscious about it. She called me tonight. She was overjoyed with Obama's speech!

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
18. When Medea Benjamin and Code Pink --
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:55 PM
May 2013

were confronting George W. Bush and his cabinet in just such a manner she was a hero at DU. But rightfully doing the same to His Highness she is suddenly nothing but a rude heckler.

I say to Medea Banjamin THANK YOU for trying to keep it real, and for maintaining your convictions regardless of who is in power.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. lol
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:07 PM
May 2013

You seem to miss, much like MB did, the difference between a President who was promoting a policy for maintaining GITMO and a President who is promoting a policy to close GITMO.

And in the "keep it real" department MB's position that since he is the "Commander in Chief" and could close it today is absurd in the light of specific Congressional language prohibiting him from doing that:



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704774604576036520690885858.html

Congress on Wednesday passed legislation that would effectively bar the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial, rejecting pleas from Obama administration officials who called the move unwise.

A defense authorization bill passed by the House and Senate included the language on the offshore prison, which President Barack Obama tried unsuccessfully to close in his first year in office.



But like many who hate the President why let a simple thing like a fact get in the way with a discussion.

The irony is that Medea Benjamin does a great service to the President by offering a powerful point of comparison in both content and style by the immediate juxtaposition.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
21. Medea managed to get the facts right when bush was in office. She can't
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:23 PM
May 2013

be bothered with President Obama. she didn't keep it real. that's the problem.

President Obama didn't disrespect her either like the bush crowd.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
24. Medea and her political priorities haven't changed a bit --
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

And, after watching the Dems/Left jettison their prior convictions with alarming speed the past 5 years, I respect her for it all the more.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
25. Good for you. President Obama wants Gitmo closed more
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:39 PM
May 2013

than those who can't be bothered to know what it will take to GET IT DONE.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
22. Excellent analysis, grant. thank you!
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:34 PM
May 2013

President Obama wants Gitmo closed More than those who can't be bothered with what it will take to Get It DONE.

Michael Cohen @speechboy71

Don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest that this speech will be seen by history as the rhetorical end of the War on Terror


I hope so.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/23/keep-chatting-away-3/#comments

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
26. VERY well-said, Cha!
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013

"Don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest that this speech will be seen by history as the rhetorical end of the War on Terror."

I hope so, too! I think all peace-loving people hope so.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
27. "The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to"
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:25 PM
May 2013

So very proud of President Obama for saying that and handling the incident with such cool and such respect. One of my best friends is a Code Pink Women For Peace member. She is also an Obama supporter and voted for him in 2008 and 2012. My daughter was very active with Campus Code Pink in college. She was also very involved in Women For Obama and OFA during the 2012 campaign. I understand their frustration and, by his comment, the President does, also. I'm frustrated, myself. But as I have said to both of them, Obama can't just order an edict to close Gitmo. He wants it closed. He wants to get us out of this war mentality. He can't do it alone. He has a lot of obstruction in Congress and the RW media. I still admire Medea Benjamin and Code Pink. They did a lot of the "heavy lifting" for the anti-war/anti-Bush movement during the horrible days of the Bush Administration. I didn't, and still don't, agree with all of their tactics, but I do believe their hearts are in the right place and they believe in a world of fairness, peace and equality. Their goals are the same as PBO and most of us active here on the BOG.

Again, I think the President's comment speaks volumes - "The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to." Once again, he is right.

Sorry for such a long-winded and exceptionally long post, but I think it is in our best interests to support this President and his efforts to move this country forward. Peace and love to all here at BOG.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
33. ++++ good post, Kath1
Tue May 28, 2013, 02:24 PM
May 2013

I agree. There is nothing wrong with seeing both sides and not going hair on fire on one or the other.

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