I Will Tell You Now Who Will Win The 2016 Presidential Race

[scottie55]

Last edited Sun May 15, 2016, 01:17 AM - Edit history (1)

The winner is whoever I program the electronic voting machines to say won.

Sorry Charlie.

It's all up to me and my "programming" and "tabulation / reporting" friends.

Go ahead and vote all you want.

Just don't ever think your vote will be counted, if it is not for the "selected" candidate.

Rec if you want to go back to paper ballots, counted by absolutely open methods.

[CrispyQ]

1. The entire system needs an overhaul.

We will not get our government back until we address our compromised & corrupt process. We need:

1. Publicly funded elections.
2. Defined election periods - no more perpetual election cycles.
3. Reconfigure districts fairly.
4. Paper ballots - everywhere. Hand counted. No tabulators.
5. National election day with equal access to all.
6. Term limits for Congress.

I'm sure there's more, but this would be a start. Fat chance any of that is going to happen.

I think TPTB are in it for HRC & come hook or crook, she will be the prez. I have absolutely no confidence in our process.

[Autumn Colors]

3. I would add webcams to that list

Webcams to witness counting and to guard ballot boxes. The entire world (wide web) is available to help keep an eye on them.

[LiberalArkie]

7. At least when the ballots are counted and the count challenged and recounted to a different

total and then recounted by the thousands of hired poll workers it will be time to do it all over again in November for the general election. That it cutting it pretty close for the president to be sworn in in January.

[Ferd Berfel]

8. add: instant run-off voting too

[CrispyQ]

10. Good one.

[zentrum]

27. End Citizen's United

[Enthusiast]

31. I agree 100%.

[TonyPDX]

47. Yeah, so let's stay home and make sure none of those things get accomplished.

Them's the consequences of being too pissed to care anymore.

[bluestateguy]

53. Reply

1. No. Not one dollar of my taxes is going to pay for the campaigns of Donald Trump, Louie Goehmert and Steve King.

2. I agree in theory. But you can't really forbid anyone from campaigning as early as they want.

3. Of course I agree. But who defines what constitutes "fair"?

4. Yes, or scantron fill in the bubble ballots. As long as there is a paper trail.

5. Hell yes.

6. Yes, but that will require a constitutional amendment (a tall order). I'd say two terms in the Senate, 6 for the House.

I would add a 7. Compulsory voting, but the government shouldn't be able to send somebody to jail for not voting. We have enough people in jail as it is.

[PJMcK]

54. Just a thought

Your idea for compulsory voting is good and you're right about our jails. What if you don't vote, you pay a fee on your income taxes. Would people skip voting if it cost them $100?

[Kip Humphrey]

2. Hand Counted Paper Ballots!

Been there since 2004.

[Jackilope]

4. YES!

[saidsimplesimon]

5. scottie, if I can't do this,

you can't predict for our fellow citizens.

I do agree on preventing electronic voter fraud possibilities. We have the best on our side.

Should the republicans try to "cook the books", we are watching.

[scottie55]

6. They Just Need To Toss Enough Registered Voters Off The Rolls

Like Florida 1999 and Ohio 2003.

More problems than electronic voting machines.

Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, and Ken Blackwell should have been hung for their election fraud.

They make it impossible to vote, and they walk every time.

Almost to the point of why bother.....

[Enthusiast]

32. If we ever needed to make an example of someone.......................

[Soxfan58]

9. It worked great in 2000

He said sarcastically

[scottie55]

11. Why Is Jeb And Katherine Harris Not Sitting In Prison?

They kicked 100,000 legitimate voters off the rolls because their names sounded like minorities.

They never were prosecuted.

And we allow it to happen.

We deserve to be screwed.

[L. Coyote]

38. Because the contracted it out. You think these people are stupid adversaries? NOT!

The Republicans shave points every way possible and know how to get away with it. You can't prosecute someone when you cannot prove a crime was committed by them.

[mhatrw]

12. Why can't we just do what Canada does?

http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-05-01

Why is it so hard in the USA to let people vote and then make sure their votes are counted accurately?

[Volaris]

21. Because in very short order we would strip the oligarchs of their monied Power

And return it to where it RIGHTFULLY belongs..an honest, unbought Congress (or, at least one that's bought and paid for by Public Funding of elections) that is responsive to US.

[Enthusiast]

33. Huge +1!

[Enthusiast]

34. Huge +1!

[hughee99]

46. I don't want to have to show ID in order to vote. n/t

[brooklynite]

13. yawn...conspiracy theories always put me to sleep

Funny how no candidate, Party official of campaign manager claims that a loss what due to vote manipulation (including Bernie Sanders in 2016).

Funny as well that since rigged voting machines supposedly were introduced, Republicans have won three elections (2004, 2010 and 2014) and Democrats have won...three elections (2006, 2008, 2012).

Is there a warranty on the equipment?

[dynamo99]

22. Look lower on the ballot

It would be very difficult to rig enough machines (and get away with it) to tip the Presidential race.

Lower races would be a lot easier. Less attention being paid, fewer machines to rig. Just enough to tip the balance in the state legislature, in time for redistricting. Depends on the machines and how secure the programming is. As long as the software is proprietary (trade secret), nobody can check. If I were the evil genius, that's how I'd do it.

Not that I think it's happening much. Far better just to disenfranchise the opposition's voters and tip the scales that way. Or gerrymander. If the rubes yell about the people who were purged from the rolls, incompetence and lack of resources are good covers. There's no question that's happening.

At the state convention level, you don't need anything that complicated to adjust results. Whoever controls the rules and credentials committees, and whoever chairs the convention, they control the outcome. The apparatchniks have the experience, and they know the ins and outs of parliamentary practice.

[FlatBaroque]

23. Thank you brooklynite

You can always be depended on to protect and defend the kleptocracy. Be proud.

[JEB]

14. Pencil on paper is high tech enough.

[merkins]

15. You don't count...

[L. Coyote]

39. Republican Talking Point.

Actually, we do count, and that is their greatest fear.

If you did not count, they wouldn't need to gerrymander.

[Hacking_Democracy]

56. Diebold sold its voting machine business in 2009

The question is - who is programming the machines now?

[Pharaoh]

16. paper and pencil

dip your finger in purple ink if it makes the fascists feel any better.

Fuckwads"

[TwilightZone]

17. We seemed to do ok in 2008 and 2012

So, it's not entirely in the hands of the machines.

I'm all for 100% verifiable results, but personally, I think stuff like this discourages people from voting because they believe it doesn't matter. It does matter, particularly in state and local races where we need to do everything we can to get Democrats elected.

I think we can do both - encourage people to GOTV and work hard toward getting comprehensive changes made to the way we vote in this country.

But, that's just me.

[Enthusiast]

35. "We seemed to do ok in 2008 and 2012"

Maybe we did and maybe we didn't.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. Maybe we did and maybe we didn't.....exactly.

[Snarkoleptic]

18. "I Will Tell You Now Who Will Win The 2016 Presidential Race"

It will be the Corporatocracy and it's bought/paid for enablers. eom

[Dustlawyer]

30. They have their pre-selected candidates in play, Trump to drive everyone to Hillary.

Even if it is Trump, he will deal with them so they get what they want in the end.

[joanbarnes]

19. True since the '80's.

[dobleremolque]

20. Quote attributed to Joseph Stalin:

"Those who cast the vote control nothing. Those who count the vote control everything."

[Betty Karlson]

24. rec indeed

[Amimnoch]

25. So the programers wanted Trump as the Republican nominee?

Most interesting.

[zentrum]

26. We have lost

…our Democracy. If we ever really had it. Considering the real history of this country.

And currently, Electronic voting+Citizen's United bribery=Corptocracy.

[nxylas]

28. I saw a rerun of a Munsters episode a few years back

Grandpa, played by Ted Cruz Al Lewis, was running for mayor or something, and invented a machine that would flip votes his way. Of course, it was meant as a joke, but I remember thinking how prescient it was.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. So Obama rigged the machines?

[Enthusiast]

36. LOL!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. Well according to this logic he must have.

How else could he win.

[L. Coyote]

40. Must have since he won. Throw that election robber in jail now!

In fact, given the elections are rigged, throw every winner in jail right now. OP, you see the flaw in your logic yet?
Absolutely logical thing to do since the premise must be true because someone on DU said it.

[A Simple Game]

42. That's funny. Someone who thinks President Obama is in charge. n/t

[L. Coyote]

37. Republican Talking Point #1 this year, "Stay home, all elections are rigged."

You won't believe how many people are falling for this BS.

Oh wait, you are one of them, and you are spreading it around.

[truebrit71]

43. It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes...

...and yet Murrka has the balls to tell other people how to run elections....

[Andy823]

44. Another don't bother to vote post

Although with a new twist. I am sure Karl Rove and Donald Trump would rec your post.

[rhett o rick]

45. That means Clinton. She is the favorite of the Oligarchy according to Goldman-Sachs

and the Koch Bros.

How can we change a system that is controlled by the oligarchy?

[Kittycat]

48. Hand counted ballots on overhead projectors in public spaces

Where plenty of people can attend. Auditoriums, gyms, convention spaces, whatever large space is publicly accessible.

Bring it on!

[Cly]

50. Can I be Secretary of Defense?

I promise I'll spend the money wisely, e.g., free beer for all servicepeople. It'll make them happy and prevent them from carrying out illegal orders!

[merrily]

51. Big business will win.

[JonathanRackham]

52. President Linux?

First elected droid.

[historian]

55. yes indeed

remember and the election fraud of the diebold (is that the right name?) voting machines which said company is a major republican contributor?