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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 05:00 AM Sep 2020

It was always going to be a no deal Brexit



This is *precisely* the corrupting conduct that ‘culture war’ claptrap is designed to excuse. The Prime Minister lied to the country & made every Conservative MP complicit but it will be ignored because blah ‘woke’ blah ‘Rule Britannia’ blah ‘fish’.


At this point not only it highly unlikely that a trade deal will be reached, they want to breach the withdrawal agreement - gotta love a far right Brexiteer government that think they can rip up legally binding international treaties because they want their empire back (the rule Britannia nonsense being a perfect example of this). NO DEAL in every sense.
They were never serious about getting a trade deal, and the only reason they negotiated the withdrawal agreement was because Parliament had tied their hands. So rip it up, tell the EU to do one... they are all ridiculous and they will not be the ones to pay the price as they wallow in their privilege.
Oh and a hard border in Ireland in 3...2...1. Dissidents causing havoc 5 minutes later. The Good Friday Agreement cannot be upheld if they rip up the withdrawal agreement, even as they spout their right wing lies and say they are doing it to protect the agreement, these English nationalists in downing street could not give a shit about Ulster.

The Guardian laid out yesterday what kind of sanctions we may face if they go ahead with their reckless idiocy

EU has powers to punish UK if it breaches Brexit treaty, experts warn
A dispute would trigger a specific legal process ending in the Luxembourg court – and if the UK was found to have breached the international treaty it signed in January, the EU has powers to punish the country.

The court can impose a heavy fine on the UK, suspend part of the withdrawal agreement, launch trade wars and impose tariffs or even sanctions on British exports.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/07/eu-has-powers-to-punish-uk-if-it-breaches-brexit-treaty-experts-warn]

Good times...

UK right now. Struggling to stay afloat, but almost certainly going to sink...

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It was always going to be a no deal Brexit (Original Post) Soph0571 Sep 2020 OP
Brexit never ever made sense! The people of Britain were hoodwinked, when they actually Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #1
Because Johnson wanted it both ways: no_hypocrisy Sep 2020 #2
Boris and co. somehow sold it to the British people GopherGal Sep 2020 #8
Seems to always be a catch to Populism. safeinOhio Sep 2020 #3
So much for "oven-ready" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2020 #4
Top UK government lawyer quits over Brexit withdrawal agreement changes muriel_volestrangler Sep 2020 #5
They sold a lie to their people, who thought they were number one dreamland Sep 2020 #6
Eerily familiar Cosmo Blues Sep 2020 #7

Thekaspervote

(34,758 posts)
1. Brexit never ever made sense! The people of Britain were hoodwinked, when they actually
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 05:27 AM
Sep 2020

Figured out what it would mean they wanted a second ntl vote which never happened

no_hypocrisy

(49,038 posts)
2. Because Johnson wanted it both ways:
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 06:11 AM
Sep 2020

To leave the EU and leave behind its obligations, but simultaneously, to continue the financial trade benefits as if it had stayed.

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
8. Boris and co. somehow sold it to the British people
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 11:30 AM
Sep 2020

that they would be able to have their cake and eat it too. (i'm basically unable to think about Brexit without mentally intoning that cliche). So the failure of the "we voted to eat our cake, now give us more" negotiations after the fact somehow surprised them?

muriel_volestrangler

(102,618 posts)
4. So much for "oven-ready"
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 07:05 AM
Sep 2020
He went on to repeat the “oven-ready” mantra on numerous occasions throughout his election campaign.

In the Conservative Party manifesto, he wrote: “With a new Parliament and a sensible majority government, we can get that deal through in days.

“It is oven-ready and every single Conservative MP elected at this election, all 365 of them, have pledged to vote for this deal immediately.”

When launching his campaign on 6 November, Johnson said: “We’ve got a deal, oven-ready, by which we can leave the EU in just a few weeks.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson-oven-ready-brexit-deal-general-election-111920698.html

muriel_volestrangler

(102,618 posts)
5. Top UK government lawyer quits over Brexit withdrawal agreement changes
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:21 AM
Sep 2020

(FT, but not paywalled at the moment)

The head of the UK government’s legal department has quit over Boris Johnson’s proposal to row back on parts of last year’s Brexit deal relating to Northern Ireland.
...
Those close to Sir Jonathan said he was “very unhappy” about the decision to overwrite parts of the Northern Ireland protocol, part of the 2019 withdrawal agreement, with new powers in the UK internal market bill.

One person familiar with the events leading up to Sir Jonathan’s decision to resign said it had followed months of tension over the handling of the Brexit negotiations and legal disagreements with Suella Braverman, the attorney-general.
...
The government is understood to have commissioned external advice which determined the government, while free to legislate domestically as it saw fit, would be in breach of international obligations if it legislated in contradiction to the withdrawal agreement.

https://www.ft.com/content/6186bf1c-055b-4de6-a643-4eea763e1b94

dreamland

(980 posts)
6. They sold a lie to their people, who thought they were number one
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 08:29 AM
Sep 2020

The media helped in every way to convince the Brits that they were economically strong and better off without payments to the EU. The Brits were convinced that migrants that made things worse. Think of the immigrants as the children of divorces, where you don't get child support without kids, the Brits wanted the child support without the kids and the media was their divorce lawyer giving bad advice.

Cosmo Blues

(2,786 posts)
7. Eerily familiar
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 10:00 AM
Sep 2020

For some reason I watch prime minister's on occasion, the dodging, the weaving, the hyperbole is unfortunately all too familiar to us on this side of the pond. As are the promises of Pie in the Sky, the perks without the downside, and the gullibility of the voters to fall for it. For me one of the biggest lies was the optimism of a great trade deal with America under this Administration, ha. It's like both of our leaders are working with Putin to damage our countries

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