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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 06:08 AM Aug 2019

The most naked con in human history...

This why the next referendum MUST be a choice between the deal and EU membership....



The reason why the 2016 referendum was so bad is because…every time you criticised one version of Brexit, the Leave side would say ‘Don’t worry, we’ll do Brexit in a different way’.

…It was a mess.


Trying to get a no deal on a referendum by selling a new deal after the no deal... the most naked con in our history certainly!

But...But...Unicorns and Rainbows...

Shrinking economy, tumbling pound and rising inflation were on the other bus, insist Leave campaigners

“The media chose to focus on the bus that said there would be £350m for the NHS, whilst completely ignoring the bus that I drove around the country explaining there would be lower economic growth, a tumbling pound and higher inflation.

“Don’t blame me if your chosen media outlet didn’t the print photos of me standing in front that bus.”

Others in the Brexit camp have explained that everything is actually okay because the nation’s economic growth was too strong while in the EU, the pound was definitely overvalued, and consumer goods were clearly too cheap.


https://newsthump.com/2019/08/09/shrinking-economy-tumbling-pound-and-rising-inflation-were-on-the-other-bus-insist-leave-campaigners/

Heh




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The most naked con in human history... (Original Post) Soph0571 Aug 2019 OP
Nobody has ever explained how an advisory referendum was transformed into a binding one. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #1

Denzil_DC

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1. Nobody has ever explained how an advisory referendum was transformed into a binding one.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 09:22 AM
Aug 2019

Cameron may have promised (actually, more correctly, threatened - it was a failed ploy to attempt to get voters to take it seriously) to enact whatever was decided, but he had no constitutional basis to do so - no government can bind the hands of a future parliament - and he was soon gone, trotters and all, anyway.

As an advisory referendum, it wasn't subject to the same rigour that would have governed a binding one (actually, there's no such thing as a binding referendum in UK law because parliament is sovereign: see here), and courts have ruled that it would have been illegal because of funding irregularities if it had been somehow "binding". As an MP, Alex Salmond challenged this on the floor of the House before the vote, and was assured it was purely advisory.

It's gobsmacking how this glorified opinion poll has been steamrollered into forming the unquestionable Will of the People that cannot be defied, or even questioned, and how the vacuous declarations from the Leave side that there was no way that Article 50 would be triggered without a great deal of preparation and no prospect of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union have evaporated and transformed into "no deal" being the only acceptable option (itself a myth - even if we do crash out, there will have to be numerous deals, and the next decade's going to be dominated by their machinations).

And does anyone imagine for a moment that if the result had gone the other way, Farage, Cummings and their cronies would have accepted the result and not howled and acted up for the rest of this planet's career round the sun?

So the solution some want to see is presumably another non-binding referendum to follow up the original one. And so the cycle goes on and on.

If there hadn't been such cowardice in parliament and if the media had done their job, we wouldn't be in this ridiculous and horrifying situation. I've no idea how we get out of it intact.

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