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TexasTowelie

(116,799 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 10:23 PM Jan 2017

Cheney vote on federal public lands irks sportsmen

Wyoming sportsmen's groups are outraged by a recent vote by U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney that would make it easier to transfer federal public lands to states.

The House Republican Conference approved last week a 43-page measure that changed a number of rules for how Congress works.

Congressional Budget Office rules require the federal government to tally the money earned on federal land – from energy extraction to logging and grazing – and subtract that from expected cash flow in the event of a sale or transfer, according to the Washington Post.

But the new rules say land transfers shall be budget-neutral, which essentially means the loss of revenue could not be factored into a sale, transfer or exchange of land.

Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/cheney-vote-on-federal-public-lands-irks-sportsmen/article_e422ec7e-11c7-5257-9fe3-67775aefb2e1.html

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Cheney vote on federal public lands irks sportsmen (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jan 2017 OP
Oh, my! They voted that POS into office WhiteTara Jan 2017 #1
Hope you've been to 2naSalit Jan 2017 #3
Isn't that the same state WhiteTara Jan 2017 #4
Both Parks are in Wyoming 2naSalit Jan 2017 #7
Right...Montana is the talc mine state. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #8
Yeah, there's one down the Madison River 2naSalit Jan 2017 #9
No, I just confuse my northern states WhiteTara Jan 2017 #10
Fair enough. 2naSalit Jan 2017 #12
I hope so too. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #13
Oh god, those words! 'Cheney vote.' elleng Jan 2017 #2
It does make you want to WhiteTara Jan 2017 #5
Hate to say it about my fellow Americans, elleng Jan 2017 #6
Got to dig that coal out of the ground WhiteTara Jan 2017 #11

2naSalit

(92,705 posts)
3. Hope you've been to
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:17 PM
Jan 2017

Yellowstone and the Tetons already 'cause you can kiss them good-bye real fast. It's been a huge fight out here for years, and all the national forests and wilderness areas will be included. Anyone who likes to breathe air and have relatively clean water west of the Mississippi River better pay attention to this nightmare. It's way more than just stuff like Standing Rock.

WhiteTara

(30,166 posts)
4. Isn't that the same state
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:21 PM
Jan 2017

that has the talc mine where all the people have been sickened?

Unfortunately, I haven't been to either the Tetons or Yellowstone and I fear you are right that they will be decimated along with the Grand Canyon (which I have been to a few times)

2naSalit

(92,705 posts)
7. Both Parks are in Wyoming
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:39 PM
Jan 2017

which thrive predominantly by extractive industry from mining and ranching, fuel extraction - oil, natural gas, coal, some timber harvest and in recent decades tourism. Much of the state is public lands (NF, BLM, NP, and military as well as a couple Indian Reservations, the largest is Wind River (about the size of YNP). Public lands in the US are owned by we the people (citizens) and administered by the federal government in order to ensure that they are manged for the benefit of the citizens in perpetuity.

Congress decides on their funding, for decades they have been cutting funds when all these administrating agencies need more personnel and operational funds... look at the increase in visitors to the parks recently, it's insane to think that a small group of employees can manage over 4 million people who have no idea where they are, what is required just to keep themselves safe and how to enjoy a sensitive ecosystem respectfully, it's a major undertaking and severely stunted by lack of funds to hire more concierge, I mean staff.

I work for some of these agencies and live very close to the parks, a couple wilderness areas and a huge national forest where there are grizzly bears, wolves, lynx and bison among many other species. It is the only place in the lower 48 states where there exist all the animals that were here before we trashed everything else... a complete ecosystem and it's in danger and will soon crash if we don't solidify its protection in perpetuity. This Congress will trash it in with a vote at 2am and nobody will be able to stop them from voting.

2naSalit

(92,705 posts)
9. Yeah, there's one down the Madison River
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:52 PM
Jan 2017

about 60 miles from the west entrance to the park. Three of the five entrances to YNP are in Montana, and the SW corner of the park is in Idaho. There's also a lot of shale, timber, coal, oil, natural gas etc in Montana too.

Perhaps you might be thinking of trona, a mineral mined in Wyoming,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trona

WhiteTara

(30,166 posts)
10. No, I just confuse my northern states
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:26 AM
Jan 2017

sometimes...Wyoming, Montana...all big sky country in my mind.

2naSalit

(92,705 posts)
12. Fair enough.
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jan 2017

I'm sure there must be more than one talc mine in the state too. It is all big sky country, I have chosen to live out the rest of my days here and I hope it's all still wild and untrammeled at least until I'm ready to shuffle off.

WhiteTara

(30,166 posts)
5. It does make you want to
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jan 2017

throw up in your mouth, doesn't it! I was stunned that they are so stupid as to pick her. But maybe she just bought the job like so many pukes in Congress.

WhiteTara

(30,166 posts)
11. Got to dig that coal out of the ground
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:27 AM
Jan 2017

what would they do with all those trucks if electricity came from the wind?

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