Texas secessionists feel more emboldened than ever

[TexasTowelie]

WACO — Standing in front of a massive state flag on Saturday, Claver Kamau-Imani outlined his utopian vision of a Nation of Texas that he believes is just on the horizon.

No taxes or Faucis, no speed zones or toll roads. No liberals, no gun laws. No windmills, no poor people. A separate currency, stock market and gold depository. “Complete control of our own immigration policy.” World-class college football, a farewell to regulators. And unthinkable, unimaginable wealth.

“We are going to be so rich,” he chanted. “We’re gonna be rich. We are gonna be rich. We. Are. Going. To Be. Rich! … As soon as we declare independence, we're going to be wealthy. I personally believe that our personal GDP will double in five to seven years.”

“The independence of Texas is good for humanity as a whole,” he added to cheers.

Read more: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/15/texas-secession-texit/

[jpak]

1. Good. They can take care of their own Hurricanes and tornadoes

And epidemics

Yup

[Axelrods_Typewriter]

2. The texholes can't even manage to pull off a functional power grid

Not to mention the political unknown quantity that would result from this would cause many businesses to pull out and go to the US. Y'know, where there are government entities protecting the global trade of those businesses. Instead of the wild west where you have to generate your own power like you're a MASH unit. And where you would be swiftly blockaded and sanctioned because the state you were located in tried to secede. Like the last time some states decided to secede and they were blockaded.

Or, maybe the businesses would try to stay (or be forced to) and cease to exist. Can't keep selling the same crap to each-other, eventually you run out of customers and/or raw materials.

But good luck with your fantasy of being rich. Methinks the Texas dollar would be about as valuable as a 20 year old bottle of Bosco stored in a hot attic.

Oh, you aren't a nation either. You're a state with a bunch of self-congratulatory propaganda. Even heroin dealers know not to get high on their own supply!

[SLClarke]

38. A texitier

He should go look at Brexit and see what happened there! Such a dud!

[Submariner]

3. It's a great state to assassinate a Democratic

president and get away with it. So the the secessionists will always be proud to wave that “We’re Number 1” banner.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

4. Buh bye!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

[Xipe Totec]

5. Take pity on us liberal hostages nt

[Paladin]

25. Pity for TX liberals?

You've been around DU long enough to know better.

[TwilightZone]

40. DU thinks Texans are all one monolithic bloc.

Not all of DU, of course, but nuance and context aren't exactly our strong suits.

We can stereotype as well as anyone, though!

I also wish people would understand that this is never going to happen.

First, it's settled law and has been since 1869.

Second, because the actual support in the state has always been pretty low, usually in the 10-15% range. You can get 10% of people to agree to almost anything. These secessionist clowns are a small minority, but a loud one.

[TexasTowelie]

43. Most of the people promoting this nonsense

have no comprehension of the devastating economic consequences this will have if it ever occurred again.

[TwilightZone]

44. Agreed.

It's the same kind of mentality that leads to people thinking that they could defend themselves from the government with their AR15s, if it came to that. They can't look any further than the surface or their dreams of how that would play out would run into a brick wall.

They're also some of the same people who have a fantasyland view of the Civil War.

[Think. Again.]

6. Another ridiculous sideshow.

[FreepFryer]

7. Cut him some slack, his speech was way more convincing in the original Russian (Nt)

[jaxexpat]

8. Touch'e!

[ashredux]

9. LOL.... Idiots. This is not going to happen, this is the silliest thing I've read lately.

This is kind of like some form of political cosplay…..

[Old Crank]

10. He learned nothing

From Brexit.

No taxes? Hows that going to work?
I did note the world class college football.

[AverageOldGuy]

11. Did he really say:

"You are going to win so much, you will get tired of winning!!" ???

Meanwhile, how about the federal government:

1. Close ALL FEDERAL INSTALLATIONS AND OPERATIONS IN TEXAS, thereby removing from Texas the multi-billion $$$$ federal payrolls.
2. No longer make Medicare or Medicaid payments to Texas doctors, clinics, or hospitals.
3. Require any Texan entering another state have a Texas passport and be treated as an alien.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

[keithbvadu2]

12. Pay your share of the national debt on the way out.

[ananda]

13. Better headline: Texas secessionists act more stupid and insane than ever!

There, fixed it.

[cstanleytech]

14. Also no entrance into the US without a passport (which should never be granted) not to mention the

prices for food and other items that they import from anywhere west of North America would skyrocket.
Edit: Also a massive loss of jobs since companies with factories there might have problems operating if they can't get supplies delivered in a timely manner as all trade between the US and Texas would be cut off.

[Vogon_Glory]

18. I'd add visa requirements on top of having a passport. n/t

[cstanleytech]

23. No need for either if the border is essentially sealed.

[Old Crank]

15. One thing that gets overlooked

By these crazies is the 18(?) US military bases that would shut down, let alone the space center. 30% of the Texas budget comes from the feds.

[moose65]

16. Good grief

I am constantly amazed by these people who love America so much that they want to secede.

No taxes? How will they pay for those roads that won’t have speed zones? How will they pay for police and fire departments, or for border control agents?

They know this will never happen. They’re just running their mouths and stirring people up. It sounds like they want to secede but keep all the financial support of the United States. That’s not how it works, folks!

[Clash City Rocker]

30. By God we're so darn proud to be from Texas - yahoo!

Even of our pride we're proud and we're proud of that pride, too!
Our pride about our home state is the proudest pride indeed.
And we're proud to be Americans, until we can secede.

[intheflow]

32. Aww, I'd forgotten about the Texas Lounge Lizards!

Saw them in Boston in the late '80s or early '90s. Very funny band!

[Charging Triceratops]

17. I can't stop laughing

... at "world-class college football." Like, who cares??

[BigOleDummy]

21. Who would they even play?

lol, "world class college football" ..... how? All they could play would be other texas schools.
Welcome to DU btw!

[70sEraVet]

19. Texas wont have to worry about building a wall to keep immigrants out

They'll have to build a wall to keep their own citizens IN!
No taxes means no social safety net.
No federal regulations means no minimum wage, no child labor laws, etc.
There will be a few rich people ( most likely those who are ALREADY rich), and everybody else will want the hell out of there!

[hildegaard28]

20. No

Social security for Texans, either, if they successfully secede. Lol at the idiot who things they're all going to be rich if it happens.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. No Medicare, no SS, no federal spending in TX

Sounds like a dystopian hellscape…

Which will never happen.

[CaptainTruth]

24. Under what Constitution do they think they can secede?

There's no mechanism in the US Constitution that allows unilateral secession. Texas has already been told that by SCOTUS, see Texas v White 1868.

Of course they don't care about the Constitution.

[DBoon]

26. So when this happens all Texans now residing in other states will be immediately deported?

Can't have any illegal immigrants in the USA

[Old Crank]

27. They would have to decide what citizenship

To hold. No duals. If they go with Texas they will need to apply for a work permit or a green card.

[LiberalFighter]

37. How many companies will leave?

[Old Crank]

45. A good question.

I'm in Germany and have been watching the Brexit machinations.
Country borders cause trade friction unless you have a trade agreement like being an EU member.
Some small companies have stopped their export business to the EU because of regulatory compliance costs. Then all goods coming from Texas would have to meet US standards, including food items, be subject to checks at border crossings, probably WTO* tariffs unless negotiated lower.
Large financial companies in England set up offices in the EU to make their business easier. They would have to negotiate trade agreements with every country or trade group, EU, or operate under WTO rules.
Manufacturing would have to make widgets to any new Texas standards, and get export ones made to US standards. These empty cowboy hats don't have a farting clue.

* WTO. World Trade Organization

[LiberalFighter]

47. Boris Johnson was a fool for not having another vote on Brexit.

I think it would had been reversed after more people understood the consequences.

[CanonRay]

28. You morons tried this in 1835

You went broke then, and would again.

[intelpug]

29. Secessionists

There was a similiar movement I recall in California a few years ago

[intheflow]

31. They'll be coming for your Black ass, Kamau-Imani, just as soon as they win

and don't need your token support any more. The idiocy of this guy - completely ignorant of Texas history, apparently.

[k0rs]

33. Please...

...go.

You'll need visas as passports to enter Colorado. Won't be able to own land or houses here. He's right, it will be excellent. Aaaannd, you can't come here for abortions.

[Scalded Nun]

34. We just left the state (for blue pastures) for good in September. I'll enjoy watching this shitshow from the outside.

[Susan Calvin]

35. I have some of these idiots living across the street from me.

They recently replaced their Trump flag with a Texas Independence flag.

As someone said upthread, please have some sympathy for Texas liberals. I'd love to get out, myself, but it is not possible.

[Paladin]

39. And again I say: Give up on the "sympathy for Texas liberals" thing.

There's never a shortage of "liberals" at DU who delight in condemning each and every citizen of the State of Texas, in the vilest and most hateful terms possible. Trust me on this, I've been seeing it for decades.

[Susan Calvin]

46. Oh, so have I.

But hope springs eternal.

[LiberalFighter]

36. What is the likelihood that Mexican Cartels overrun them and take over?

[marble falls]

42. The cartels don't want Texas: they want Texan's dollars.

[marble falls]

41. It would be worth leaving this hell hole just to see how quick they could turn it into "road warrior."

[DUar17]

48. Madmax wearing a cowboy hat!