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Related: About this forumBuried in his faulty cause & effect logic, a Palm Beach Post reader offers us some hope for Florida.
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Baitball Blogger
(48,038 posts)Sounds good to me. Palm Beach County, where I live, as well as Broward and Miami-Dade are already solidly blue, so hopefully other counties move in the same direction.
SheilaAnn
(10,138 posts)Response to rso (Reply #2)
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Broward has long been blue! Biggest advantage about living here.
ShazzieB
(18,660 posts)FM123
(10,126 posts)I say WELCOME to South Florida and please bring your liberal politics with you!
RustyWheels
(163 posts)Yes... Bring it on!! The more liberals the better !!
katmondoo
(6,495 posts)snowybirdie
(5,627 posts)Hubby is two!
bahboo
(16,953 posts)then Covid. Still happily in SoCal after seeing how fucked up Florida has become. Going to spend a month in KW at the end of this year, to see what it feels like. May still make the move, since living in KW has been a dream for a long time. We'll see...
Lydiarose
(68 posts)Americas Great Climate Exodus Is Starting in the Florida Keys
Mass migration begins as coastal homes are bulldozed in the state facing the biggest threat from climate-driven inundation.
Lori Rittel is stuck in her Florida Keys home, living in the wreckage left by Hurricane Irma two years ago, unable to rebuild or repair. Now her best hope for escape is to sell the little white bungalow to the government to knock down.
Her bedroom is still a no-go zone so she sleeps in the living room with her cat and three dogs. She just installed a sink in the bathroom, which is missing a wall, so she can wash her dishes inside the house now. Weather reports make her nervous. I just want to sell this piece of junk and get the hell out, she said. I dont want to start over. But this will happen again.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/24/florida-keys-climate-change-sea-level-rise
The water is coming: Florida Keys faces stark reality as seas
Oliver Milman
Oliver Milman
@olliemilman
Thu 24 Jun 2021 07.00 EDT
Long famed for its spectacular fishing, sprawling coral reefs and literary residents such as Ernest Hemingway, the Florida Keys is now acknowledging a previously unthinkable reality: it faces being overwhelmed by the rising seas and not every home can be saved.
Following a grueling seven-hour public meeting on Monday, held in the appropriately named city of Marathon, officials agreed to push ahead with a plan to elevate streets throughout the Keys to keep them from perpetual flooding, while admitting they do not have the money to do so.
The string of coral cay islands that unspool from the southern tip of Florida finds itself on the frontline of the climate crisis, forcing unenviable choices upon a place that styles itself as sunshine-drenched idyll. The lives of Keys residents a mixture of wealthy, older white people, the one in four who are Hispanic or Latino, and those struggling in poverty face being upended.
If the funding isnt found, the Keys will become one of the first places in the US and certainly not the last to inform residents that certain areas will have to be surrendered to the oncoming tides.
The water is coming and we cant stop it, said Michelle Coldiron, mayor of Monroe county, which encompasses the Keys. Some homes will have to be elevated, some will have to be bought out. Its very difficult to have these conversations with homeowners, because this is where they live. It can get very emotional.
Once people are unable to secure mortgages and insurance for soaked homes, the Keys will cease to be a livable place long before its fully underwater, according to Harold Wanless, a geographer at the University of Miami. People dont have a concept of what sea level rise will do to them. They just cant conceive it, he said.
On Monday, the county gave details of its plan to spend $1.8bn over the next 25 years to raise 150 miles of roads in the Keys, deploying a mixture of new drains, pump stations and vegetation to prevent the streets becoming inundated with seawater. The heightened roadways are eagerly anticipated by residents who told the meeting of cars being ruined by the salt water and of donning boots to wade to front doors.
The roads are shot, theyre full of cracks, the water is permeating up, said Kimberly Sikora, who lives in a vulnerable neighborhood of Key Largo called Stillwright Point that is still awaiting a full road elevation proposal. Im just looking for some kind of relief.
Another resident, Robert Schaller of Twin Lakes, an area further along in the planning process, muttered that he shouldve done my due diligence when buying his house last year. I literally stand on my balcony and watch the water come up through my street, he said. Its coming up right through the pavement.
But Monroe countys budget will not cover the raising of all the roads, nor any mass buyout of homes, and an appeal to Florida state lawmakers to levy a new tax to cover these mounting costs has been rebuffed. Further costs will pile up as the county grapples with how and who pays - to keep critical infrastructure such as sewers and power substations, as well as peoples homes, from being flooded along with the roads.
If we cant raise additional money then we will have to look at prioritizing, said Rhonda Haag, Monroe countys chief resilience officer.
For example, should we spend money on raising roads if people arent paying to raise their yards? We are blazing trails here. We are ahead of everyone in having to think about this.
The pancake-flat Keys are in jeopardy from rising seas that are, as a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) scientist told the county commissioners in the Monday meeting, accelerating upwards as the vast ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica melt away. Human-caused global heating means an extra 17in of sea level rise by 2040, according to an intermediate Noaa projection used by the county.
Compounding this problem, the islands porous limestone allows the rising seawater to bubble up from below, meaning it just takes high tides on sunny days to turn roads into ponds, while global heating is also spurring fiercer hurricanes that can occasionally crunch into the archipelago.
The Florida Keys are one of the most vulnerable places to flooding in North America, said Kristina Hill, an environmental planner at the University of California, Berkeley, who warned that the islands would face growing road and pipe maintenance costs, more pollution leaks and harmful algal blooms.
Without a change in strategy, parts of the Keys will become accessible only by boat, said Hill, adding that the islands could have to resort to floating structures and navigable canals to remain viable. The islands will gradually disappear into a higher ocean, potentially leaving a ruined landscape of leaky underground storage tanks, old pipes, and flooded road segments behind to pollute the water.
The threats faced by the Keys are shrugged off by some of its wealthy retirees who view the situation with a certain fatalism, while others in this Republican-voting bastion openly question the science. Eddie Martinez, one of the countys five elected commissioners, challenged the Noaa scientist, William Sweet, on his sea level rise projections on Monday.
The sea level rise to date is really a nothing number, said Martinez, who told Sweet: Youre a little bit more on this CO2 side, Im more on the actual measurement side. Another commissioner, David Rice, said that predicting the future is probably best done with a crystal ball and speculated that global temperatures could change following several volcanic eruptions.
There are people who dont want to sell because they love it here, others who want to get out while they can and those in complete denial who call you a troublemaker who is driving down property values by talking about it, said George Smyth, a retiree who moved to Key Largo a decade ago for the quiet, slow-paced lifestyle. In 2019, his neighborhood spent 90 days partially submerged in water.
The nature of the Keys has changed in this time. While the islands still include pockets of poverty, an influx of affluent second-home owners has caused new properties to sprout up around Smyth. It used to be pretty rough and tumble, youd see a few fights on a Saturday night, he said. Now everyone looks like theyve just come from the cosmetic dentist.
Other new realities are more laborious Smyth has to wash his car continually to rid it of salt water and has to pay for trucks to unload piles of crushed-up rocks around his property as a buffer against the encroaching tides. While Smyth doesnt class himself as particularly wealthy, these protections are beyond the means of low-income Keys residents, many of whom live in exposed mobile homes dotted along the islands.
Smyth fears that the county will require poorer residents to stump up the money for the roads, rather than put a levy on the tourists that flock to the Keys. We feel we are being held hostage, he said. I feel sorrow for what is coming and the loss of what is a wonderful community.
But the mayor defiantly insists the Keys can be saved, even if it is currently unclear how. We know we live in paradise and we want to keep it that way, said Coldiron.
Once people are unable to secure mortgages and insurance for soaked homes, the Keys will cease to be a livable place long before its fully underwater, according to Harold Wanless, a geographer at the University of Miami. People dont have a concept of what sea level rise will do to them. They just cant conceive it, he said.
Another resident, Robert Schaller of Twin Lakes, an area further along in the planning process, muttered that he shouldve done my due diligence when buying his house last year. I literally stand on my balcony and watch the water come up through my street, he said. Its coming up right through the pavement.
But Monroe countys budget will not cover the raising of all the roads, nor any mass buyout of homes, and an appeal to Florida state lawmakers to levy a new tax to cover these mounting costs has been rebuffed. Further costs will pile up as the county grapples with how and who pays - to keep critical infrastructure such as sewers and power substations, as well as peoples homes, from being flooded along with the roads.
If we cant raise additional money then we will have to look at prioritizing, said Rhonda Haag, Monroe countys chief resilience officer.
For example, should we spend money on raising roads if people arent paying to raise their yards? We are blazing trails here. We are ahead of everyone in having to think about this.
Compounding this problem, the islands porous limestone allows the rising seawater to bubble up from below, meaning it just takes high tides on sunny days to turn roads into ponds, while global heating is also spurring fiercer hurricanes that can occasionally crunch into the archipelago.
The Florida Keys are one of the most vulnerable places to flooding in North America, said Kristina Hill, an environmental planner at the University of California, Berkeley, who warned that the islands would face growing road and pipe maintenance costs, more pollution leaks and harmful algal blooms.
There are people who dont want to sell because they love it here, others who want to get out while they can and those in complete denial who call you a troublemaker who is driving down property values by talking about it, said George Smyth, a retiree who moved to Key Largo a decade ago for the quiet, slow-paced lifestyle. In 2019, his neighborhood spent 90 days partially submerged in water.
mitch96
(14,655 posts)I see more pro TFG signs... OH and the flags, gotta have flags..
People on the street with signs sometimes..
Just another day in paradise..
To change Fla you have to change the lobby's strangle hold on the legislators.. and it's all about MONEY.. Big Agriculture, gaming and the entertainment industry to name a few are big stuff down here..
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Lydiarose
(68 posts)Also getting out of S FLA, but don't know where to go. Definitely north, but how far? Maybe Canada? Oh, waiting! They don't want Americans!
mitch96
(14,655 posts)are more polite than So Fla. The problem is the TRAFFIC!! Anytime I have to go any where the traffic sucks even on non rush hour times..
The traffic reporters call I-4/ I-275 "malfunction junction" It's a mess. I lived between Miami and Ft Lauderdale and the worst traffic during the season was less busy than summers over here. YMMV
If anything is gonna get me out of here it's the traffic...uff.
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Loge23
(3,922 posts)We're getting the deplorables who never really fit in to begin with - and they all love Governor Doofus.