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steve2470

(37,468 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:21 AM Nov 2020

a rant, profound disappointment in my fellow Floridians

I get that a large percentage of my fellow Floridians are Republicans. If a Republican President like Eisenhower or even George H.W. Bush was running for re-election, I could understand their votes.

However, we have a fascist dictator-wannabe in the White House. By any objective measure, he is a horrible President and the very worst Republican President. At some point, PRINCIPLES matter over PARTY. If President Obama had been this horrible, I would have had to make that difficult choice.

A virulent pandemic ? 8 percent unemployment ? Thousands of small businesses going out of existence ? Food insecurity ? A dictator-wannabe pushing the Attorney General to do unethical and illegal things on his behalf. The gutting of the Justice and State Departments. Swampy appointments to many executive branch agencies. Threatening Dr. Anthony Fauci with firing. KIDS IN CAGES AT THE BORDER. Rampant abuse of the Hatch Act. Usage of the White House for frankly partisan political purposes. Attempting to ban Muslims from entry into the USA. I could go on and on and on.

All of that is NO PROBLEM for those PARTY over PRINCIPLE Republican voters. THEY NEED TO BE ASHAMED OF THEIR VOTES.

I really understand now why Hitler and Mussolini rose to power.

eta: Oh yeah, how could I forget, attempting to pressure the Ukrainian President to do his dirty work about Joe Biden and getting impeached for it in the House and then his ENABLERS giving him a pass in the Senate.


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a rant, profound disappointment in my fellow Floridians (Original Post) steve2470 Nov 2020 OP
I never once counted on Florida to come through for us. RandySF Nov 2020 #1
But didn't Florida go for Obama-- twice? ailsagirl Nov 2020 #11
Why limit it to Floridians? Several times here I've condemned the whole damn country. As bad as... TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #2
well yes, the entire country steve2470 Nov 2020 #3
I'll be watching as supporters struggle from having no ACA, appalachiablue Nov 2020 #4
Here is why Florida didn't vote for Biden whopis01 Nov 2020 #5
this guy may be a conservative, but he says it well.... steve2470 Nov 2020 #6
I'm curious, if Miami Dade voted blue would it change anything? I don't have the numbers...nt mitch96 Nov 2020 #7
No and no. hay rick Nov 2020 #10
So this whole "cuban vote" thing is no big deal... nt mitch96 Nov 2020 #12
We're getting their worst. Loge23 Nov 2020 #8
Principles matter over parties Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #9
Sorry. Just saw this now Dreampuff Nov 2020 #13

ailsagirl

(23,802 posts)
11. But didn't Florida go for Obama-- twice?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:37 PM
Nov 2020

I'm thinking there might have been some vote manipulation there this time around-- had FL always gone red, that's one thing. But the fact that Obama won there twice... well it makes me wonder.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Why limit it to Floridians? Several times here I've condemned the whole damn country. As bad as...
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:48 AM
Nov 2020

this asshole is, he still manages to have the support of close to half the nation.

This isn't some moldy visage hiding in a corner, he is a major character who has managed to actually increase his support in some areas by being an ignorant, nasty, divisive incompetent.

This disease isn't some localized outbreak, it is a full-formed epidemic of stupidity, and we can't just lay the blame on him or his followers-- as Pogo said "We have met the enemy and it is us". Every single one of us has to share the guilt since it is an American problem.

appalachiablue

(42,908 posts)
4. I'll be watching as supporters struggle from having no ACA,
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 05:39 AM
Nov 2020

Social Security, Medicare and more. Who will they blame? We know.

There are some who claim these followers are 'in a cult,' and therefore not responsible.

whopis01

(3,725 posts)
5. Here is why Florida didn't vote for Biden
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 06:18 AM
Nov 2020


Seems to highlight the I-4 corridor, a very left leaning portion of Florida.

steve2470

(37,468 posts)
6. this guy may be a conservative, but he says it well....
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 07:15 AM
Nov 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/04/trump-may-lose-trumpism-hasnt-been-repudiated/

Max Boot

It should not have been this close. Trump is on track to become the first president since World War II to see a net loss of jobs during his term. He has presided over the deaths of more than 232,000 Americans from covid-19 — a figure projected to reach nearly 400,000 by Feb. 1 — making this one of the worst mass-casualty events in U.S. history. He is only the third president to have been impeached for committing “high crimes and misdemeanors.” He has spread lies and conspiracy theories at a record-breaking pace. He has flouted democratic norms and quite probably broken the law; indeed, by calling into question the legitimacy of the election he is continuing to undermine our democracy at this very moment. He will surely be rated by historians among the worst presidents in U.S. history — and quite possibly the absolute worst.

If there were any justice, Trump would have suffered the kind of historic repudiation inflicted on President Herbert Hoover, who in 1932 carried six states and got less than 40 percent of the vote. Or on Barry Goldwater in 1964, George McGovern in 1972 or Walter Mondale in 1984. All of those candidates were vastly more competent and moral than Trump. Yet he did much better than they did. So far he has won more than 66.5 million votes, roughly 48 percent of the total, and, even if he ultimately loses, he will have come within a whisker of winning an electoral college majority.

That Trump did so well in the election after doing so badly as president is mind-boggling and disturbing. So too is the fact that Republicans seem to have paid little price for allowing him to ride roughshod over the Constitution, lock kids in cages and spread the poison of nativism and racism. Embattled Republican senators such as Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), Joni Ernst (Iowa), John Cornyn (Tex.) and Steve Daines (Mont.) seem to have been rewarded rather than punished for their sickening sycophancy toward Trump. After having spent the past four years as Trump’s enforcer and enabler, Sen. Mitch McConnell (Ky.) will remain in office and probably remain majority leader, with the ability to frustrate any agenda that a President Biden would try to enact.

The conclusion is simple if disheartening: Demagoguery and dishonesty work. Trump ran what may be the sleaziest presidential campaign ever — denying the reality of covid-19 while spreading it with his rallies; lying about Biden’s agenda, acuity and ethics; spewing personal abuse and vitriol — and yet he produced a better result than most pollsters and pundits had expected. His dishonesty increased as the election drew near — yet just as in 2016, he won late-deciding voters.

hay rick

(8,212 posts)
10. No and no.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:13 PM
Nov 2020

First, Miami-Dade did vote blue, just not by the needed or expected margin. Hillary carried the county by 300,000. Joe carried it by less than 100,000. But even if Joe matched Hillary's margin, he would have still lost the state because he was almost 400,000 votes short statewide.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
8. We're getting their worst.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

The scales are tipping in several traditionally blue counties due to the massive influx of disaffected northerners into the state.
Many of these retirees made good money up north in states like NY, NJ, CT, OH, and MA. Many were civil servants, or in effect, socialists.
Then they retire and no longer want to pay the taxes that these states use to provide them with the life styles they are used to.
So they head south.
Unsure of living among "those people", they buy into gated communities filled with "people like us". (all quotes are actually terms I have heard from "people like this&quot .
They are racists, ignoramuses, under-educated, and easily duped. They walk among us.
St. Lucie, where I live, is one such county. We were all but swept this election - partly due to poor or non-existent Democratic party strategies - but swept just the same. In our State House, a seat held by Dems for decades, a longtime educator, environmental activist, and much-needed D presence in the R filled State House was replaced by someone who promised to "show up". A quick read into the victors bio reveals a person who apparently can't hold a job, has no college degree, and is married to the CFO of a large beverage distributor - hence she was the "business-friendly" candidate!
But we'll need more than just a good strategy going forward. Hundred of thousands of acres are being developed to provide even more gated communities for the worst from the North. It's a big problem.

Clearly fogged in

(1,946 posts)
9. Principles matter over parties
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:40 PM
Nov 2020

In the second paragraph.
How can we collectively have missed that premise as it was absent in the last 4 years. We have been expecting things to matter based on principles they don't have. This isn't the fault of us. What we the little people get to choose from are the things we are exposed to. No, don't blame us.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
13. Sorry. Just saw this now
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nov 2020

As a fellow Floridian, I share your disappointment and shock. But then again, look who we have in Tallahassee.

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