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mahatmakanejeeves

(60,971 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:47 PM Sep 2022

Does This Fisherman Have the Right to Be in a Billionaire's Backyard?

Does This Fisherman Have the Right to Be in a Billionaire’s Backyard?

A fight along Colorado’s waterways pits an alliance of white-water rafters and amateur anglers against some of the nation’s wealthiest landowners, bruising the image of a sportsman’s paradise.



Roger Hill, a fly fisherman, in the Arkansas River east of Cotopaxi, Colo. He has sued to have the state clarify its laws around one of his favorite fly-fishing grounds. Benjamin Rasmussen for The New York Times

By Ben Ryder Howe
Ben Ryder Howe, a freelance writer who frequently covers the American west, reported from Colorado’s Front Range.

Sept. 1, 2022
Updated 1:27 p.m. ET

Colorado’s natural beauty — groves of aspen shimmering in fall, snowcapped 14,000-foot peaks bathed in alpenglow — has much to lure outdoor enthusiasts, from college-age tubers to private jet owners. For the wealthy in particular, there is world-class skiing and shoulder-rubbing in glitzy redoubts like Telluride, plus an attraction no other state can provide: the power to control some of the most storied rivers in the West.

According to federal law, the beds of navigable waterways are owned by states, which hold them in trust for the public. But in Colorado, a series of unusual rulings have given landowners leeway to bar the public from riverbeds adjoining their property — and the water covering them, even if people float onto it after entering legally elsewhere.

Colorado has more than 100,000 miles of rivers, some accessible to the public without a landowner’s consent. However, in recent years, thanks to a population surge stressing the state’s prized natural resources — in addition to wealth concentrations unseen since the age of railway barons — complaints about haves and have-nots along its waterways have risen, bruising the image of a sportsman’s paradise.

Roger Hill, an old-school dry fly fisherman, is particularly angry. And seeking to do something about it. In 2018, Mr. Hill, 81, a retired nuclear weapons scientist, filed a lawsuit asking the state to clarify its notoriously muddy stream-access laws vis-à-vis one of his favorite trout fishing grounds. To the ire of many landowners, who see it as a threat not only to their privacy but to their property values, that suit has been progressing through the state court system like a slow-moving missile.rafters and amateur anglers against some of the nation’s wealthiest landowners, bruising the image of a sportsman’s paradise.

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Rafting down the Arkansas River east of Salida, Colo. The state has more than 100,000 miles of rivers. Benjamin Rasmussen for The New York Times

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Does This Fisherman Have the Right to Be in a Billionaire's Backyard? (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2022 OP
Yes underpants Sep 2022 #1
As you know, there are streams out by Warm Springs, Virginia, mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2022 #4
Yup TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #2
Yes. The same kind of "fight" is going on along the gulf beaches. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #3
almost all beaches.... getagrip_already Sep 2022 #5
nodding in agreement. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2022 #6
we have an ordinace in chi that the lake mich shore shall be - forever open and free. mopinko Sep 2022 #7
Better headline: Does this Billionaire have the right to claim a river his? Bristlecone Sep 2022 #8
We went through that in Montana a few years back. 2naSalit Sep 2022 #9
Thanks for posting this brokephibroke Sep 2022 #10

mahatmakanejeeves

(60,971 posts)
4. As you know, there are streams out by Warm Springs, Virginia,
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:07 PM
Sep 2022

on which riparian rights were conferred by King George III.

I'll dig up something on that.

TheRealNorth

(9,629 posts)
2. Yup
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:01 PM
Sep 2022

In states like WI, the water belongs to the State. That doesn't stop the rich from trying to close off any access to the lakes. I have heard stories of people being threatened and trees being cut down across streams that people would use to access lakes that were otherwise surrounded by private land.

getagrip_already

(17,440 posts)
5. almost all beaches....
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:09 PM
Sep 2022

Sometimes its access restrictions preventing fisherman from getting to a tidal zone, and sometimes it's just armed guards harassing them.

It's not just billionaires. Just rich people in general who don't want "that kind" on "their" land. It's just that very rich people can buy off planning boards and hire guards.

But it's a nationwide problem.

mopinko

(71,818 posts)
7. we have an ordinace in chi that the lake mich shore shall be - forever open and free.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:05 PM
Sep 2022

and for the most part it is. but the battle pops up every few years.
there were lawsuits during the daley years, even tho his did an amazing job on parks.
where i live there is about a mile of beach that is owned by the last property on the streets that ends at the lake. it's always a battle. but they arent allowed to fence it and they dont own all the way to the water's edge. but that doesnt stop them from trying.

2naSalit

(92,735 posts)
9. We went through that in Montana a few years back.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:58 PM
Sep 2022

It ended up on the ballot and one of the big losers was the current asshole governor. He has, since taking office, tried to undo the river rights laws that we enjoy here but, so far, he has not succeeded.

Colorado needs to get their shit together about this and define these boundaries. It's so stupid.

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