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TexasTowelie

(117,050 posts)
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:55 PM Nov 2021

Why Denver Substitute Teachers May Prefer to Work at In-N-Out

Boulder Valley School District, as well as Adams 12 Five Star Schools and Adams 14, have canceled classes today, November 12, and at least three Denver Public Schools facilities — Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Early College, George Washington High School and John H. Amesse Elementary School — are offering remote learning because of staff shortages.

Why is the staffing situation so dire? Educators dealing with these challenges point to ripple effects from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic in combination with terrible pay rates for paraprofessionals and substitute teachers, who can sometimes make more money serving burgers at In-N-Out than doing the often difficult, consistently stressful work of educating the next generation of metro residents.

This is no exaggeration: The Payscale.com website estimates the average hourly pay for In-N-Out employees at $17.46 per hour, while a current listing for an Adams 12 paraprofessional (shorthanded as para) on the Top School Jobs site puts the starting rate at $15.78 for what is unquestionably a much harder gig. Moreover, the Adams 12 website lists starting pay for a substitute teacher at $145 per day. That breaks down to $18.13 per hour for eight hours — but as any teacher knows, prep work, grading and more stretch nearly every day well beyond eight hours.

In a statement about its decision to cancel classes today, Adams 12 noted that "the district is seeing unfilled vacancies for multiple positions in multiple departments. This includes special education teachers, nutrition, para educators, Before and After School (BASE), custodial, preschool, transportation, and guest (substitute) teachers. We have a total of 143 vacant positions at this time, with the greatest numbers of vacancies in the para educator and guest teacher categories."

Read more: https://www.westword.com/news/working-at-in-n-out-versus-substitute-teaching-in-denver-12771229

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Why Denver Substitute Teachers May Prefer to Work at In-N-Out (Original Post) TexasTowelie Nov 2021 OP
I just watched an old Dick Van Dyke episode BigmanPigman Nov 2021 #1
I are 100% correct Bristlecone Nov 2021 #3
my 2 spec ed aides made $20/hr ten yrs ago in CA nt msongs Nov 2021 #2
I'm at abt $18/hr. I have a college degree and live in Maine. Lately GPV Nov 2021 #5
I'm qualified for subbing in N.J. I'm retired. 3Hotdogs Nov 2021 #4
I'm a sub in NJ and there's more to the story. no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #6

BigmanPigman

(52,312 posts)
1. I just watched an old Dick Van Dyke episode
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 10:12 PM
Nov 2021

and they made a reference to the very low pay teachers receive. That was 60 years ago and nothing has changed. As long as women are the majority of teachers and staff there will be unfair pay. My master teacher taught me this when I was student teaching. Also, elementary school teacher are valued as Day Care providers more than educators. Long hours (50+ a week is average) and low pay as well as little respect is why teachers are fed up.

Bristlecone

(10,494 posts)
3. I are 100% correct
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 10:34 PM
Nov 2021

My wife teaches here in CO and she makes next to nothing. She loves her job though, and I’m not sure I can say the same about mine.

GPV

(73,069 posts)
5. I'm at abt $18/hr. I have a college degree and live in Maine. Lately
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 04:03 AM
Nov 2021

I’ve been subbing one or two days a week, as have many of the other techs. Just not enough people to go around.

3Hotdogs

(13,436 posts)
4. I'm qualified for subbing in N.J. I'm retired.
Mon Nov 15, 2021, 11:21 PM
Nov 2021

I looked at the pay that was offered, subtracted tax, ss, unemployment and such and decided to stay home.


I'd rather continue hiking with my club.

no_hypocrisy

(48,945 posts)
6. I'm a sub in NJ and there's more to the story.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 06:58 AM
Nov 2021

More than 2 weeks ago, I was in a third grade class. Two hours after the start of the school day, the school nurse showed up and directed 9 students pack up to go home. Two hours later, she asked another 2 students to pack up to go home. I asked her if this had anything to do with Covid and she hesitated and answered that she couldn't say. I thanked her for answering my question. And every 10 minutes, the public PA asked individual students to pack up to go home and to report the Office.

That did it! I knew I was in a Hot Zone. I didn't panic as I just received my Booster 4 days prior and was wearing a mask.

What I resented was that the school was still opened. My class was depleted of half the roll, leaving those behind being exposed to the Virus. (Of course, maybe not all the kids who had to leave had the Virus and they could have had other reasons for a high temperature.)

Why put non-exposed children and faculty at risk?

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