Judge rules for California baker over same-sex wedding cake

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (AP) — A California judge has ruled in favor of a bakery owner who refused to make wedding cakes for a same-sex couple because it violated her Christian beliefs.

The state Department of Fair Housing and Employment had sued Tastries Bakery in Bakersfield, arguing owner Cathy Miller intentionally discriminated against the couple in violation of California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act.

Miller’s attorneys argued her right to free speech and free expression of religion trumped the argument that she violated the anti-discrimination law. Kern County Superior Court Judge Eric Bradshaw ruled Friday that Miller acted lawfully while upholding her beliefs about what the Bible teaches regarding marriage.

The decision was welcomed as a First Amendment victory by Miller and her pro-bono attorneys with the conservative Thomas More Society.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-sides-california-baker-over-183443259.html

[msongs]

1. great, so I can refuse to do things for christians cuz they violate my beliefs. thanks judge nt

[Deuxcents]

3. I should think that would only be fair.

[DBoon]

2. Can I refuse to serve African Americans if I claim my religion won't allow it?

[brush]

4. I suspect this is not the last we'll hear of this...

as the judge's decision is obviously a violation of the LGBTQ+'s community's civil rights.

IMO an appeal is in order as yet another judge is applying his/her winger political views in the decisions they hand down.

[Woodwizard]

5. This is a grey area

I do all kinds of woodworking I on more than one occasion have turned down people wanting a Confederate flag knowing I have done American ones. There is no way in hell I will make one either.

[usonian]

6. OTOH, a cake is a cake. A Confederate flag differs from an American flag.

You don't have the pattern, perhaps?
Or maybe someone refused to sell you the pattern??????

Peronsally, I would gladly bake a nice cake for any bigot or traitor.

Batteries included for free.

[Woodwizard]

9. True

Wonder if it was the wording, or are they so homophobic they just don't want to serve gay people.

I have had plenty of right wing customers buying my work, there have been customers I have fired for being rude not many but one in a while.

I quit my real job 18 years ago because of A Holes, be damned to put up with them in my own business work.

[usonian]

10. I suspect the violent homophobia. People are propagandized to go to extremes.

I get along with most people. Long career in aerospace, university, financial company, startups, computers, other stuff I forgot.

Served in the Coast Guard, worked for a large aerospace company where some people were so sociopathic that they really believed that the old and inform should be euthanized. (shades of Ayn Rand), and when Bush Senior cut the defense budget (!) I had to change jobs. Landed one at U.C. Berkeley, the opposite side of the thought universe.

So there's a giant cross-section of society. I didn't discuss politics, I would make connections with people at a common level. With the deerhunter from PA, a couple of us were so crazy about photography that he went from rifles to telephoto lenses. Worked with a new guy from Florida, quite different from CA --- how to connect with this guy? Well, I talked about fishing, and turned him on to some different locations.

At times, politics gets enormously polarizing, and politics has hijacked much of religion and all of racism and homophobia. The 60's were terribly polarizing. And different issues get rounded up into the cult mentality.

The hard core "Q" craziness actually only "owns" about 15% or some small number, but it's the larger population that gets sucked into the mentality, mostly as a short-cut for thinking. Too deep to go into here, but it just says that people are seduced by power and group-think, especially when it aligns with their general dislike of some other group. It's all about the group identity.

And it can be moderated.

Now, elections are not about "hearts and minds" as some people think. That takes time to change. Think of the non-nazi's who got trapped in that cult takeover. Hard to get out alive. That's why cults need to be stopped from hijacking groups.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216524810
The best, the ONLY cure to WhiteChristianNationalism, race baiting, mysogyny, etc. is WINNING

Quite simply (in my words) the cowardice that leads them to follow the group-think that is blasted at them constantly by media and certain charlatan "preachers" would tend to make them follow fair laws rather than flaunt them.

The so-called "leaders" of this wretched movement are hiding in "think tanks" and corner corporate offices. All the others, even the "Prophets for Profit" are just front-running racism and homophobia.

There's a saying in business that what's tolerated or not starts at the top. Someone opened the gates of hell, so that hateful behavior was "allowed". I am reminded of the scene in Ghostbusters when the ghouls are let loose from the ion trap.

[Woodwizard]

11. I was in the army

Met people from all over but being as young as most of us were politics were not a top topic. And at least then duty to our unit and fellow soldiers surpassed any political differences or any personal dislikes of each other.

I live in an area that is 68 percent republican in rural NY we all mostly get along fine. The outliers with trump or lets go Brandon flags I like, the fact they put it out there so I can avoid those people is a plus. A lot less of them in the last year.

The Qanon faction, I follow some of their forums they are out there to a point of mental illness. But the like you mentioned the core message gets out, OANN and Newsmax promote a lot of Q adjacent conspiracy stuff.

[usonian]

12. I am in the second (?) reddest county in California. Quite the experience.

We had only those idiot pickup trucks, and I avoid the part of downtown between the gun shop and the guy with the T**** boat.

About 47% of the county has had two covid shots.

[Scottie Mom]

7. So, it's OK to refuse services to Evangels and other RWNJ Christians.

Good to know. Doing anything for them violates my right of freedom FROM religion. I’ll stand on that Constitutional right every time I can.

[NullTuples]

8. "while upholding her beliefs" - that's called an opinion

Someone's opinion - even a sincerely held one - isn't supposed to be granted a higher legal status than anti-discrimination laws. I mean, that's why they exist!