How are you planning to vote in the recall?

[wryter2000]

Of course, I'm voting to keep Newsom, but I also have to pick a replacement. Stephanie Miller keeps talking about a talk radio host who sounds awful. I'd like to make sure it isn't him.

[SoCalDavidS]

1. The Second Vote Doesn't Matter

If Newsom gets recalled, we're Fucked. One of the repub nutjobs will win, just no idea which one it will be. Right now, Larry Elder is the frontrunner.

[JohnSJ]

8. Not necessarily. Kevin Paffrath a Democrat can do it if the recall passes

Which I don’t think it will

I think the polls are messed up, and making false assumptions about low voter turnout, and not considering that every registered voter in California will get a postage paid envelope to mail their ballot. They don’t have to go to the polls

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/kevin-paffrath-recall/

[SoCalDavidS]

11. And What Is Kevin Polling At?

I stand by what I said. If Newsom is recalled, we're Fucked.

[JohnSJ]

22. If you look at the link I supplied above he has 27% of the vote, leading Elder by 4 points

Newsom isn't going to be recalled, but it doesn't hurt to have insurance.

I am very skeptical of the polls, and the media coverage of this recall.

One poll had the recall winning by 11 points, which was probably an outlier, since other pollsters are marking it as a dead heat, but I question even those.

I think assumptions are being made which have a good chance of being wrong.

The media keeps pushing the theme that republicans are more enthusiastic than Democrats, and that special elections "always" have low turnouts

The fact that 45% of the registered voters are Democrats, and something like 23% are republicans should provide an advantage to us. In addition, all registered voters will receive a postage paid mail in ballot, so the voter doesn't even have to go to the polls to vote. Just drop it in the mail box, or a drop box.

California insures all votes get counted

[SoCalDavidS]

26. A Legit Democrat Is Leading In The Second Question?

I did not realize that, so I will definitely put in a vote for him on the 2nd question.

It's going to come down to turnout, so hopefully every eligible Democrat returns their ballot.

[brush]

18. Isn't the OP wrong? There are two entries on the ballot.

Number one is to say "NO" to the recall. If you check that box you're done. Put the ballot in the envelope and mail it back.

If you go to the second item and pick a name, you're playing into the recall republicans game. And you just might invalidate your own ballot since you check both reponses.

Check only the first item, the "No" on recall to keep Newson.

[SoCalDavidS]

27. Not Sure

I was led to believe you are voting on 2 different things. First the recall, and then who will replace Newsom if the recall passes.

They seemed mutually exclusive, meaning you could vote in the 2nd issue, just in case the 1st one passes.

[wryter2000]

29. That's what I thought

Two separate votes. If there is a Dem running, I'd like to vote for them over Larry Elder. Stephanie Miller has worked in some proximity to him, and he sounds like a perv.

[brush]

34. The item is "No" on the recall of Newsom. Understand?

That means there's no need to go further. I read the instructions.

[jxla]

31. California Gubernatorial Recall Election - Frequently Asked Questions

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upcoming-elections/2021-ca-gov-recall/newsom-recall-faqs

Recall ballots have two parts. Must voters vote on both parts of the recall ballot?

No. Voters can vote on either one or both parts of the recall ballot. A voter can vote “no” to the question of removing the current elected officer from office and also select a replacement candidate.

[BigmanPigman]

32. Good explanation, rhanks.

[brush]

35. If you vote no on recall why would you vote on someone to replace him?

That makes no sense.

[The Mouth]

45. In case the recall succeeds (God forbid)

The same reason I carry a spare tire. Why do I need a 5th tire?

[brush]

47. You wear suspenders and a belt too?

[The Mouth]

53. Do you have a spare tire for your car? Insurance? Back up your computer?

And if it was a matter of life and death, give me both - *AND* sexy, stylish undies, too!

[brush]

55. Sorry. I couldn't resist. You are of course right.

[Zorro]

33. I believe you can vote No on Newsom's recall

and also vote for his potential replacement.

There's no restriction on voting on both items.

[brush]

36. Why would you do that? You want him to stay but will give a vote...

to someone else to replace him?

You don't have to vote on the second part. If you want him to stay, just vote "NO" on the recall.

[Zorro]

41. Nothing wrong with voting on the second part

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I'm not willing to disinfranchise myself by not voting for a potential replacement. There are some that are less bad than others.

[brush]

43. Odd way of looking at it. Voting "NO" is franchising yourself.

You're voting for Newsom.

[Mr.Bill]

42. That is incorrect.

You will not invalidate your no vote on the recall if you select another candidate.

[BootinUp]

2. I'm going to walk barefoot over broken glass

Ok?

[MontanaMama]

3. Feinstein needs to resign NOW

so that a democratic replacement can be appointed. Her Senate seat is why repukes have their panties all bunched up over Newsom.

[JohnSJ]

5. No she doesn't, and the 2022 election will set things right. She isn't going to go away anymore

than Sanders or Leahy or any other older Democratic Senator with a Republican governor

The thing Californians will focus on is voting NO on question 1 of our ballot

We can handle out voting quite will thank-you

[Merlot]

6. Agreed. I've sent a couple nicely worded email to her staff but at this point have lost patience

with her and her selfishness.

[Mr.Bill]

7. If Newsom was recalled,

the state legislature could pass a law that any governor appointing anyone to Congress must pick someone from the same political party that vacated the office. Easy fix, actually. We have supermajorities in both houses of the legislature so the new Governor couldn't even make a veto hold up. In fact, he won't be able to do much of anything, except what republicans are good at. Shoot their mouths off and make fools of themselves. Long term, this will be the final nail in the coffin of the republican party in California.

[JohnSJ]

9. Yup. We have a super majority, and can do just what Kentucky did. Newsom is NOT going to

be recalled

[intrepidity]

10. So why haven't they done anything to prevent such recalls?

Allowing 12% of the voters to decide to have a recall vote seems highly undemocratic and long past-due reform.

An ounce of prevention..

Why haven't they acted on that matter, since they are so powerful?

[Mr.Bill]

13. It would require changing the state constitution.

While I don't know exactly what that entails, it's probably more difficult than just passing a new law. Maybe we will find out soon.

[chowder66]

44. I think I get it now....

Voting NO is a vote for Newsom therefore you shouldn't select another candidate.
If he loses, he will in all likelihood lose to the Republican front runner anyway. This is because Democrats have no clear front runner and that will split the vote across the candidates leading Larry Elder to a win. So it's basically a moot point.

And as you said....

"If Newsom was recalled, the state legislature could pass a law that any governor appointing anyone to Congress must pick someone from the same political party that vacated the office. Easy fix, actually. We have supermajorities in both houses of the legislature so the new Governor couldn't even make a veto hold up. In fact, he won't be able to do much of anything, except what republicans are good at. Shoot their mouths off and make fools of themselves. Long term, this will be the final nail in the coffin of the republican party in California."

I've decided that I'm not going to choose a replacement. Either he beats this or we get a pretty ineffectual Republican for just over a year.


Does that sum it up or am I still not getting this?

[JohnSJ]

4. If you plan to vote for a candidate if the recall passes, which I don't think it will,

Look at Kevin Paffrath, a Democrat who I think has our best chance

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/kevin-paffrath-recall/

[intrepidity]

12. Do you vote for a replacement even if you vote "No"?

I assume so, but just checking.

[Mr.Bill]

14. Yes, you can. n/t

[brush]

39. No. Just mail it in. It's a tricky ballot. Don't give vote to someone...

if you want Newsom to stay.

[Mr.Bill]

40. I didn't say you should,

I just said you can.

[JohnSJ]

16. Sure. It won't count if the recall fails, and that is what we want, but if it doesn't fail I think

we want an insurance policy just in case

[intrepidity]

17. I hope we Dems don't miscalculate

and vote "Yes" with a liberal replacement, thinking that it is safe to do so.

[JohnSJ]

20. I don't think so. Newsom is as liberal as they come, so anyone using that logic doesn't know

what they are doing

[brush]

37. No. If you vote "NO", you're done. JUST MAIL IT IN.

[The Mouth]

46. Would you please stop spreading disinformation

You can vote 'NO' *AND* vote for a replacement in case it passes.

Stop the factual inaccuracy.

If you don't want to vote for a 'D' as back-up, then DON'T, but *stop* the false information.

[brush]

51. Ok. But IMO it's best to not give any vote to another candidate if...

you want to keep Newsom. And FYI: Saying to vote "NO" on recall and you're done is not disinformation as it's true if you want to keep Newsom.

I give you that you're right about one can check a candidate on the second item on the ballot. I found that out later. But I still say the less people who go along with the tricky ballot and mark for someone else, the more chance there is of someone who gains only 15% or 20 or 25% of the vote can become governor because if not enough people vote "NO", the candidate with the most votes on Item 2 on the ballot wins. Remember, the whole thing is a republican-ginned up effort. The best thing to do if you're a Democrat and want to keep the Democratic governor is to vote for Newsom by voting "NO" on Item 1 on the recall ballot.

Here's another perspective of it.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215734780

[The Mouth]

52. Well, anyone who wouldn't vote 'NO' shouldn't even *be* on this website

I'm talking worst case scenario- a 'yes' outcome. But the only 'silver lining' being that the repukes split their vote more than we do so at least we end up with a Democratic governor anyway.

I don't want to change a tire, but I carry a flat.

Your opinion on voting no is, of course, completely valid; but you stating and not retracting factual inaccuracies can't stand unchallenged IMHO.

Regards.

Plus it would be a small consolation to watch Republican heads explode if the recall passes and we still have a Democratic governor.

[brush]

54. Actually I did retract. I said you were right about the second item, which I found out later.

But we're on the same page on this. As for your last paragraph, I'll pass.

Have a good day.

[quaint]

28. Can you suggest anyone else?

And while Caitlyn Jenner wants to solve homelessness by sending unhoused people to some of California’s roomier “big, open fields,” Paffrath proposes ordering the National Guard to clear them from the streets within 60 days of his taking office.

from the link

[JohnSJ]

30. Just vote no on item 1 and don't worry about a secondary candidate

[chowder66]

48. See my post #44.

Just vote no.

It's a moot point to vote for anyone else.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

15. Both my husband and I will vote NO.

As to who to vote for, I believe that our current governor has a second-in-command person who might run for the governor's post.

It's a woman, and I can't remember her name or official title!

[JohnSJ]

19. Who might run? That is 2022, and if the recall is successful I think it is prudent to choose

a candidate so we don't default to one of the crazies.

You might want to look at Kevin Paffrath, a Democrat, since he is within the MOE of the leading alternatives.

Of course we are all voting NO on question 1, which if the recall fails makes question 2
irrelevent

[brush]

21. If you check "NO" you're done. Do not select someone else...

as that's what the recall republicans want voters to do. It's a completely unfair recall process as there are so many other candidates on the ballot, someone with 20 percent or less of the voters may become governor.

If you check "NO", again, you're done. Just mail the ballot back.

[louslobbs]

25. Right,

Vote no and we’re done.

[brush]

38. I suggest just voting NO. If you vote on the second part...

you might cancel out your ballot. It's tricky how these republicans have set up the ballot.

I mean if you want Newsom to stay, why give a vote to someone to replace him? It's tricky.

[chowder66]

49. Just vote no.

A NO vote is a vote FOR Newsom. There is no need to vote for anyone else.

See my post #44. I hope it makes sense.

[kysrsoze]

23. YOU DO NOT PICK A REPLACEMENT if you vote "no."

[chowder66]

50. You can though. That's why it's confusing everyone but it's a moot point to choose anyone else. nt

[louslobbs]

24. We've been talking about this almost everyday in zoom calls the past week

As soon as we receive the ballots, we are to open the envelope and vote to keep Governor Newsom. No throwing the ballot on the counter and getting to it later. Not one person I deal with on a daily basis, is going to ignore this ballot. We all know it’s the trump cult and anti vaxer, Qjerks who are trying to rig California. Not gonna happen….