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Related: About this forumstopdiggin
(12,562 posts)if it takes handcuffs and tasers to control people during these situations - that's on the people that are out of control.
these people were "trying to get to their children" during a lock-down. you can't do that - no matter how emotional you might be at the time. and if you are incapable of understanding that ... sorry. these people will probably end up not being charged, or lightly charged considering the action/offense - but they do have to maintain control during a potentially dangerous situation.
do police routinely allow relatives/parents to rush into a burning building - or one that has been cordoned off due to a gas leak? No!
Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)Theres no reason for parents to question the safety of their children.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)'every man for himself' Right? Now there's a prescription for public safety! -- --
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Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)from engaging in behavior and filing charges against them.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)during 'lockdown' situations such as this. It's an issue paramount to public safety. And if it takes a degree of force to achieve that ...
I would much prefer that citizens did not have to be tazed or restrained in this type of situation - but if it becomes necessary - that's on them.
Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)(or very light ones, considering). And that is probably the correct stance in this situation. Doesn't at all change the fact that order HAS to be maintained in the field during these critical public safety incidents.
Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)Dropped or not that stays there forever!!!Every time you fill out a job application or housing Forever!!!
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)if you're such an outrageous horse's ass that you got yourself arrested ...
back to my original post - no real sympathy at all. it's all on you.
Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)Way to go. You got first place.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)terrified their children would be in danger and want to make sure their children come home upright and not feet first.
I agree with you. The person you're replying to is extremely cold hearted.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)If your children's school is in that situation.
I would side eye any parent who didn't go nuts because their children were in danger and no one told them anything.
And this is a teacher and former school administrator speaking.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)mob rule - and "I'll do what I damn well feel like" - nope. It's just silly to advocate that a cordoned off area (involving an active shooter) is somehow an 'optional' construct. And, no - being a parent does not change that parameter.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,759 posts)Trust was destroyed and will be a long time before it is completely restored.
Police must realize that parents need to know what is happening and how the situation is being handled. I don't know the answers, but treating distraught parents like criminals can't be the solution.
Mosby
(17,168 posts)Putting up a perimeter and waiting just isn't acceptable.
I don't know what the answer is either but better communication is a start.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)ignore or penetrate a 'perimeter' - at their own will?
Pisces
(5,778 posts)After Uvalde I wouldnt trust them to protect my children they only protect themselves.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)rather than allow you to (quite possibly) endanger hundreds of others - in the course of your 'do it yourself' rescue operations.
Pisces
(5,778 posts)Afraid to go in.
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)in which a bunch of more people get killed? because your judgement is paramount to every other person (in the loop or not) at that scene?
the hubris involved is - simply enormous.
Pisces
(5,778 posts)They need to take matters in their own hands.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)sickening. I'm sure you would sing a different tune if it were your children at their school.
"No, it's okay officer. I'll stay here nice and calm and not worry about anything because you put up a yellow line."
stopdiggin
(12,562 posts)and my 'empathy' for the parents, and loved ones, are quite nicely intact, thank you. But, 'empathy' and understanding do not translate into running amuck and making up your own rules. That way leads to an almost certain potential for more danger - for everyone.
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AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)about their children.
Stoneman they didn't
Uvalde they didn't.
If it were my child, I don't care what the police say. . .I'm going to do everything I can to save my child.
But because the reputation of law enforcement is now act quick with brutal force when someone is unarmed, yet cower in fear if they are armed, there is no faith anymore in them.
You can be passive and compliant. I will say again. . .when it happens to your children, let's see how you react.
Kali
(55,600 posts)cops afraid to do their jobs.
Phoenix61
(17,436 posts)They obviously have no system in place to communicate with parents to let them know what is going on. It says they evacuated due to a suspicious package. Where did they evacuate them to? Pathetic. Just pathetic.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,174 posts)teachers why. If we ask, we get told "we'll tell you later."
Then we need to reassure our students that everything will be fine.
School administrators are completely useless, overpaid, undertalented, and pathetic. Just like most police who think arresting and tasing terrified parents worried sick about the safely of irreplaceable children is acceptable behavior on their megalomanical, power mad, and almost unaccountable asses.