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3 Parents arrested and 2 tased trying to get to their children (Original Post) Mosby Aug 2022 OP
absolutely no sympathy stopdiggin Aug 2022 #1
Yeah, those cops in Uvalde did such a great job Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #3
and that's to be the model that we will use going forward? stopdiggin Aug 2022 #4
There's a huge difference between preventing parents Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #5
I'm saying they MUST be kept off (out of) the campus stopdiggin Aug 2022 #6
There is no reason to file charges. That's nothing but bullshit. nt Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #7
I said there would probably be no charges stopdiggin Aug 2022 #9
It literally says 3 parents were arrested! Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #11
tough luck. still have to keep them outside the scene. stopdiggin Aug 2022 #17
Unbelievable. That's the most cold hearted thing I've ever read on DU. Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #20
The person you're replying to is either not a parent or thinks it's okay to arrest parents AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #22
God forbid it happens to your children. I'm sure you'll be a model of restraint AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #21
distraught is understandable stopdiggin Oct 2022 #25
We'll talk again if this ever happens to your children if you have any. AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #26
After Uvalde I can fully understand why parents would not trust police to protect their children. Arkansas Granny Aug 2022 #2
Especially since many people know that police don't actually have a duty to protect Mosby Aug 2022 #8
but you would agree that citizens are not allowed to stopdiggin Aug 2022 #10
They would have to arrest me I'm that is if they could stop me. Pisces Aug 2022 #12
in that case, I would prefer that they DO arrest you stopdiggin Aug 2022 #15
Better than letting a maniac kill a whole classroom because cops were Pisces Aug 2022 #16
or 'inciting' a situation stopdiggin Aug 2022 #18
The police have created an environment where parents feel Pisces Aug 2022 #19
Your callous indifference to the lives of children and "comply and obey" attitude is downright AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #23
no, I would not. stopdiggin Oct 2022 #27
If police did they jobs and ran in to take out gunmen, then maybe people would feel safe AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #28
hell the Stoneman Douglas incident was similar Kali Aug 2022 #14
Unfuckingbelievable! Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #13
This is on the administration. Believe me, when they do things like this, they don't even tell the AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #24

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
1. absolutely no sympathy
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 07:53 PM
Aug 2022

if it takes handcuffs and tasers to control people during these situations - that's on the people that are out of control.

these people were "trying to get to their children" during a lock-down. you can't do that - no matter how emotional you might be at the time. and if you are incapable of understanding that ... sorry. these people will probably end up not being charged, or lightly charged considering the action/offense - but they do have to maintain control during a potentially dangerous situation.

do police routinely allow relatives/parents to rush into a burning building - or one that has been cordoned off due to a gas leak? No!

Phoenix61

(17,649 posts)
3. Yeah, those cops in Uvalde did such a great job
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:07 PM
Aug 2022

There’s no reason for parents to question the safety of their children.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
4. and that's to be the model that we will use going forward?
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:11 PM
Aug 2022

'every man for himself' Right? Now there's a prescription for public safety! -- --

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Phoenix61

(17,649 posts)
5. There's a huge difference between preventing parents
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:13 PM
Aug 2022

from engaging in behavior and filing charges against them.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
6. I'm saying they MUST be kept off (out of) the campus
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:22 PM
Aug 2022

during 'lockdown' situations such as this. It's an issue paramount to public safety. And if it takes a degree of force to achieve that ...

I would much prefer that citizens did not have to be tazed or restrained in this type of situation - but if it becomes necessary - that's on them.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
9. I said there would probably be no charges
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:31 PM
Aug 2022

(or very light ones, considering). And that is probably the correct stance in this situation. Doesn't at all change the fact that order HAS to be maintained in the field during these critical public safety incidents.

Phoenix61

(17,649 posts)
11. It literally says 3 parents were arrested!
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:53 PM
Aug 2022

Dropped or not that stays there forever!!!’Every time you fill out a job application or housing… Forever!!!

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
17. tough luck. still have to keep them outside the scene.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 11:16 PM
Aug 2022

if you're such an outrageous horse's ass that you got yourself arrested ...
back to my original post - no real sympathy at all. it's all on you.

Phoenix61

(17,649 posts)
20. Unbelievable. That's the most cold hearted thing I've ever read on DU.
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:08 AM
Aug 2022

Way to go. You got first place.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
22. The person you're replying to is either not a parent or thinks it's okay to arrest parents
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 04:05 AM
Oct 2022

terrified their children would be in danger and want to make sure their children come home upright and not feet first.

I agree with you. The person you're replying to is extremely cold hearted.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
21. God forbid it happens to your children. I'm sure you'll be a model of restraint
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 04:02 AM
Oct 2022

If your children's school is in that situation.

I would side eye any parent who didn't go nuts because their children were in danger and no one told them anything.

And this is a teacher and former school administrator speaking.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
25. distraught is understandable
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:48 AM
Oct 2022

mob rule - and "I'll do what I damn well feel like" - nope. It's just silly to advocate that a cordoned off area (involving an active shooter) is somehow an 'optional' construct. And, no - being a parent does not change that parameter.

Arkansas Granny

(31,830 posts)
2. After Uvalde I can fully understand why parents would not trust police to protect their children.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 07:57 PM
Aug 2022

Trust was destroyed and will be a long time before it is completely restored.

Police must realize that parents need to know what is happening and how the situation is being handled. I don't know the answers, but treating distraught parents like criminals can't be the solution.

Mosby

(17,474 posts)
8. Especially since many people know that police don't actually have a duty to protect
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:28 PM
Aug 2022

Putting up a perimeter and waiting just isn't acceptable.

I don't know what the answer is either but better communication is a start.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
10. but you would agree that citizens are not allowed to
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:34 PM
Aug 2022

ignore or penetrate a 'perimeter' - at their own will?

Pisces

(5,827 posts)
12. They would have to arrest me I'm that is if they could stop me.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:11 PM
Aug 2022

After Uvalde I wouldn’t trust them to protect my children they only protect themselves.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
15. in that case, I would prefer that they DO arrest you
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 11:08 PM
Aug 2022

rather than allow you to (quite possibly) endanger hundreds of others - in the course of your 'do it yourself' rescue operations.

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
18. or 'inciting' a situation
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 11:21 PM
Aug 2022

in which a bunch of more people get killed? because your judgement is paramount to every other person (in the loop or not) at that scene?

the hubris involved is - simply enormous.

Pisces

(5,827 posts)
19. The police have created an environment where parents feel
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 11:56 PM
Aug 2022

They need to take matters in their own hands.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
23. Your callous indifference to the lives of children and "comply and obey" attitude is downright
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 04:07 AM
Oct 2022

sickening. I'm sure you would sing a different tune if it were your children at their school.

"No, it's okay officer. I'll stay here nice and calm and not worry about anything because you put up a yellow line."

stopdiggin

(12,832 posts)
27. no, I would not.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:57 AM
Oct 2022

and my 'empathy' for the parents, and loved ones, are quite nicely intact, thank you. But, 'empathy' and understanding do not translate into running amuck and making up your own rules. That way leads to an almost certain potential for more danger - for everyone.
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AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
28. If police did they jobs and ran in to take out gunmen, then maybe people would feel safe
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:05 AM
Oct 2022

about their children.

Stoneman they didn't
Uvalde they didn't.

If it were my child, I don't care what the police say. . .I'm going to do everything I can to save my child.

But because the reputation of law enforcement is now act quick with brutal force when someone is unarmed, yet cower in fear if they are armed, there is no faith anymore in them.

You can be passive and compliant. I will say again. . .when it happens to your children, let's see how you react.

Phoenix61

(17,649 posts)
13. Unfuckingbelievable!
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:36 PM
Aug 2022

They obviously have no system in place to communicate with parents to let them know what is going on. It says they evacuated due to a suspicious package. Where did they evacuate them to? Pathetic. Just pathetic.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
24. This is on the administration. Believe me, when they do things like this, they don't even tell the
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 04:10 AM
Oct 2022

teachers why. If we ask, we get told "we'll tell you later."

Then we need to reassure our students that everything will be fine.

School administrators are completely useless, overpaid, undertalented, and pathetic. Just like most police who think arresting and tasing terrified parents worried sick about the safely of irreplaceable children is acceptable behavior on their megalomanical, power mad, and almost unaccountable asses.

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