My thoughts on Single-Payer
I think a quality public healthcare system is a very noble idea and would move the USA on par with the rest of the modern world however...unlike the rest of the modern world our system is tied to the stock market, retirement account portfolios, huge corporate profits, advertising, etc. it is so far ingrained in our economic system that affects us personally, on many levels we don't know or have thought about, that I haven't heard exactly how we are going to untangle this mess?
The "for-profit" health system we have has tentacles and consequences I'm not sure are being thought through in detail. Yeah, it's a shame we moved away from a system that was non-profit back in the day but we are where we are and it's complicated.
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(57,471 posts)For everyone.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)But for the details I've outlined in my OP I am not sure how this occurs.
Auggie
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Merlot
(9,696 posts)and including children up to age 18.
Every few years, expand the age groups.
Keep insurance around for optional and supplemental purposes.
It can be done. For profit health care is an abomination.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)In one of the richest countries in the world, no one should ever be unable to attain quality health care, regardless of their ability to pay.
We have more than one single payer system now. Sign up every American. It's the only decent thing to do.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)...is why single-payer is not even on the table for discussion, not even among prominent Democrats.
Bill Clinton was not favouring single-payer when he presented his plan in 1994, and then promptly rolled over and let the Republicans kick him.
Obamacare, while a tiny step in the right direction, is not single-payer, and he caved to Max Baucus on the "public option" (which would have been a few baby-steps further), despite having to have known that trying to keep the insurance companies in charge to get Republican votes wouldn't work. They have never supported anything Obama has done or tried to do.
Why is Hillary Clinton not even mentioning single-payer?
Lenrod
(1 post)OVER and OVER and OVER in The News Everywhere INSURANCE Companies are CRYING They aren't MAKING ENOUGH MONEY OFF SICK PEOPLE
No "INSURANCE Co." Should Be Making ANY Money off SICK PEOPLE Period
MANY are Leaving The Exchange in MASS EXODUS
Whats Left Equals Prices SKYROCKETING / Cover LESS / You Pay MORE
Costs are Approaching You just Buying Insurance on YOUR OWN Except YOU ARE ***FORCED To Get it Through The Exchange or PAY a $695 or MORE Penalty
And if You Don't Pay That:
***THE IRS WILL SEIZE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT(s) - Your VEHICLE(s) / and Your REAL ESTATE - (Your HOME)
it's a GREAT System
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We Keep Hearing POLITICIANS Go on about RISING COSTS / The "INSURANCE" Companies etc
***QUIT TALKING ABOUT THE POOR INSURANCE COMPANIES ALTOGETHER
TAKE THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION COMPLETELY
THEY DON'T NEED TO EXIST
***THEY ARE THE PROBLEM HERE
*****THE EXISTENCE OF INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE WHY OUR HEALTHCARE IS SO MESSED UP AND RUINING THE ECONOMY
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People Need To STOP BEING STUPID and BRAINWASHED and SEE THIS and REALIZE IT
*****WE NEED NATIONAL HEALTHCARE - PERIOD
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National Healthcare / NOT Insurance Companies
***QUIT TALKING about and MOLLYCODDLING Insurance At All and ALL The STUPID BULLSHIT That Goes Along with it and Talk about NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
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I'm Recovering from STAGE 4C CANCER
ZERO Taxable Income / Living in ABJECT POVERTY
Like The CRYING INSURANCE Companies - I Don't HAVE ENOUGH MONEY EITHER
I want a Law That Mandates Before EVERY POLITICIAN IN THE COUNTRY at every Level of Government - City / State / and Federal CAN GET PAID:
ONE PENNY FROM EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE SENT TO ME EVERY WEEK
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***AMERICANS are STUPID and BRAINWASHED for Putting up NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
That This "INSURANCE CRAP" All Still Exists
and WE KEEP DOING THIS TO OURSELVES
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We are "CONDITIONED" into This INSURANCE SYSTEM We Have
as Long as "INSURANCE" Exists and We Have NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
This will Just Keep BEING MESSED UP / NOT WORKING / Keep INCREASING COST / and ALL The Other Elements of it GETTING WORSE
***AND GOING ON FOREVER
UNTIL / UNLESS WE CHANGE IT TO A NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
Which would Automatically Wipe out The "INSURANCE CRIMINALS" as Everyone would NO LONGER Need or BUY Insurance
So Health "INSURANCE" would Cease To Exist and Disappear AS IT SHOULD
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*******POLITICIANS KNOW THIS
But They're ALL COWARDICE and AFRAID To SAY IT or PUSH for it
Because To ELIMINATE All The STUPIDITY and BRAINWASH Insurance Companies would Cause Them PROBLEMS - it's "POLITICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE"
So They AVOID IT
*****JUST KEEP PLAYING THEIR BROKEN RECORD GAMES on The American People
SQUAWKING Over and Over
"INSURANCE"
"AFFORDABLE CARE ACT"
*****GEE - HOW DO WE FIX IT
***WHAT'LL WE DO
They KNOW We NEED NATIONAL HEALTHCARE - I'm So Tired of Hearing This Shit
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PLEASE READ: www.HCforAll.com
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CHRIST - FIGURE IT OUT AMERICA
OVER 60 COUNTRIES HAVE NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE
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Per Stephen Hawking:
One of The Biggest THREATS To Humankind is STUPIDITY
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Start Here:
SO Ridiculous This STUPIDITY just PERPETUATES
if We Had NATIONAL HEALTHCARE / NOT "INSURANCE"
Take The POOR Insurance Companies Completely OUT of The Equation
There would Be NO NEED for "INSURANCE" - They would CEASE To EXIST
The SOONER The BETTER - That Part of The Problem would Be SOLVED
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WHAT? - You're Hungry? - You Need Something To Eat?
SURE / NO PROBLEM / YOU CAN EAT
But Before You DO.....
YOU HAVE TO PAY ME A PROFIT
Then Your Grocer HAS TO FILL OUT A REQUEST FORM and MAIL IT To my 3rd PARTY ADMINISTRATOR / AGENT To Approve / GIVE CLEARANCE-PERMISSION for You To Buy some FOOD
if APPROVED - Then YOU CAN EAT
You Have To Do ALL THAT in order To EAT
BUT..... if I Don't Have ENOUGH PROFIT
*****IT'S NOT NUTRITIONALLY NECESSARY FOR YOU TO EAT UNTIL YOU PAY ME MORE MONEY
and ASK My PERMISSION AGAIN
so You CAN'T HAVE ANY FOOD YET
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THAT'S JUST ONE STUPID CIRCLE JERK of Having "INSURANCE"
There are SO Many MORE
*****OUR SYSTEM REQUIRES YOU DANCE LIKE MARIONETTES
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and VERY POSSIBLE They - THE IRS will SEIZE your BANK ACCOUNT(s) - Your VEHICLE(s) - and Your REAL ESTATE / (Your HOME)
*****THEY DO THIS TO PEOPLE - it's TOTAL BULLSHIT THEY CAN DO THIS TO YOU
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BUT THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE HAD A NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
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Also - You SHOULD NOT HAVE MEDICAL BILLS PERIOD - and Medical Bills BANKRUPT You
*****YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE YOU GOT SICK - IT'S BULLSHIT
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*****FIGURE IT OUT AMERICA
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Having NO NATIONAL HEALTHCARE is Like HAVING a CURE for ALL CANCER - But NOT CURING IT
Keep The Cancer -vs- Curing it and BE HEALTHY
"INSURANCE" -vs- NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
INSURANCE is Like The CANCER Making The WHOLE COUNTRY SICK and KILLING Everyone
But WE COULD STOP The NATIONAL SICKNESS and DEATH of our Healthcare System CAUSED BY THE EXISTENCE of INSURANCE Companies / By Implementing a NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
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*****THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN - PERIOD
NO STUPID DEBATE BULLSHIT
JUST PUT THE MUTHERFUCKER IN PLACE
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of Course INSURANCE Companies DON'T WANT THIS Because it would ***END Their PROFITING / MAKING MONEY / Their UNJUST ENRICHMENT from The SICK and DYING
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ANY US CITIZEN who would FIGHT To Keep INSURANCE are STUPID and BRAINWASHED IDIOTS who Don't KNOW ANY BETTER
There's PLENTY of THAT / They're EVERYWHERE
TOO STUPID To Even REALIZE This is a BASIC HUMAN NECESSITY Like AIR / FOOD / and WATER and NEED To be TOLD What's BEST For Them
By The US GOVERNMENT MANDATING and Implementing NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
Once They Have it in Place - They MIGHT FINALLY "GET IT"
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I'm NOT on ANY Social Networks
Someone PLEASE Cut and Paste This So it Hopefully GOES VIRAL
Send it To EVERYONE You Know
*****SPREAD The NATIONAL HEALTHCARE MESSAGE