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forest444

(5,902 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:06 PM Feb 2016

On Kenneth Thorpe's Analysis of Senator Sanders' Single-Payer Reform Plan

Professor Kenneth Thorpe recently issued an analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders' single-payer national health insurance proposal. Thorpe, an Emory University professor who served in the Clinton administration, claims the single-payer plan would break the bank. Thorpe's analysis rests on several incorrect assumptions, and is at odds with analyses of the costs of single-payer programs that he produced in the past - which projected large savings from such reform.

1. He incorrectly assumes administrative savings of only 4.7% of expenditures; but this is based on projections under Vermont's proposed reform - not a single-payer system.

The correct way to estimate administrative savings is to use actual data from real world experience with single-payer systems such as that in Canada or Scotland, rather than using projections of costs in Vermont's non-single-payer plan. Administrative costs of insurers and providers accounted for 16.7% of total health care expenditures in Canada, versus. 31.0% in the U.S. - a difference of 14.3%. In subsequent studies, we have found that U.S. hospital administrative costs have continued to rise, while Canada's have not. Moreover, hospital administrative costs in Scotland's single-payer system were virtually identical those in Canada.

In sum, Thorpe's assumptions understate the administrative savings of single-payer by 9.6% of total health spending. Hence he overestimates the program's cost by $327 billion in 2016, and $3.742 trillion between 2016 and 2024. Notably, Thorpe's earlier analyses projected much larger administrative savings from single-payer reform -- closely in line with our estimates.


2. Thorpe assumes huge increases in the utilization of care, increases far beyond those that were seen when national health insurance was implemented in Canada, and much larger than is possible given the supply of doctors and hospital beds.

Instead of a huge surge in utilization, more realistic projections would assume that doctors and hospitals would reduce the amount of unnecessary care they're now delivering in order to deliver needed care to those who are currently not getting what they need. That's what happened in Canada.


4. Thorpe's analysis also ignores the large savings that would accrue to state and local governments -- and hence taxpayers -- because they would be relieved of the costs of private coverage for public employees.

State and local government spent $177 billion last year on employee health benefits - about $120 billion more than state and local government would pay under the 6.2% payroll tax that Senator Sanders has proposed.


5. Thorpe's analysis also apparently ignores the huge tax subsidies that currently support private insurance, which are listed as "Tax Expenditures" in the federal government's official budget documents.

These subsidies totaled $326.2 billion last year, and are expected to increase to $538.9 billion in 2024. Thorpe's analysis makes no mention of these current subsidies.


6. Thorpe assumes zero cost savings under single-payer on prescription drugs and devices.

Nations with single-payer systems have in every case used their clout as a huge purchaser to lower drug prices by about 50 percent. In fact, the U.S. Defense Department and VA system have also been able to realize such savings.


In the past, Thorpe himself estimated that single-payer reform would lower health spending while covering all of the uninsured and upgrading coverage for the tens of millions who are currently underinsured. The facts on which those conclusions were based have not changed.

At: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-himmelstein/kenneth-thorpe-bernie-sanders-single-payer_b_9113192.html?1454092127
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On Kenneth Thorpe's Analysis of Senator Sanders' Single-Payer Reform Plan (Original Post) forest444 Feb 2016 OP
See the post I made a few days ago and you'll see the problem. Basically the W T O ! Baobab Mar 2016 #1
Excellent! Thank you, Baobab. forest444 Mar 2016 #2

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
1. See the post I made a few days ago and you'll see the problem. Basically the W T O !
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

Really!

Also, Americans dont use more health care than people in other developed countries we use less. Also, more competition doesnt reduce healthcare costs, it increases them.

There may be a big problem in that the US for quite some time has been using these trade deals as a way to get other countries to dismantle THEIR public health care and educational systems so that corporations can have their way with them. As long as the US - which started this practice during the Clinton Administration, has wedded itself to this horrible policy, the lying will continue.

We can't have the government trying to make our own or other coutries have dysfunctional health care systems, it opens our leadership to prosecution for crimes against humanity.

Why? Look at Nancy Pelosi's statement about we cant know what's in Obamacare until we pass it (which wasnt true, they did know it would fail to make health care affordable) but, lets get away from that and just look at it as an admission of guilt in some hypothetical future legal case arguing that the performed medical experimentation on humans without informed consent.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
2. Excellent! Thank you, Baobab.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

Sunshine truly is the best disinfectant.

On the other hand, the current system is so entrenched, and is making so many well-connected people so much money, it is likely to remain in place even after it collapses completely (as it will inevitably do, barring some real change).

God help us.

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