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TBF

(34,320 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:15 AM Jul 2015

The case for Greece: when it forgave Germany’s debt

LONDON — Forgiving debt, if done right, can get an economy back on its feet.

The International Monetary Fund certainly thinks so, according to a new report in which it argues Greece should get help.

But Germany, another major creditor to Greece, is resisting, even though it knows better than most what debt relief can achieve. After the hell of World War II, the Federal Republic of Germany — commonly known as West Germany — got massive help with its debt from former foes.

Among its creditors then? Greece ...

http://globalnews.ca/news/2092075/the-case-for-greece-when-it-forgave-germanys-debt/

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The case for Greece: when it forgave Germany’s debt (Original Post) TBF Jul 2015 OP
Yes, the righteous, Calvinistic Germans Demeter Jul 2015 #1
Germany never learns their lesson 4Q2u2 Jul 2015 #2
"The real story behind Greece's debt crisis"--Chris Hayes Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #3
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. Yes, the righteous, Calvinistic Germans
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jul 2015

with the very convenient memories and absolutely no human compassion whatsoever....

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
2. Germany never learns their lesson
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jul 2015

After WWI they suffered under austerity provisions for the World War they started and used it as a crutch to justify the Second World War the Started.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
3. "The real story behind Greece's debt crisis"--Chris Hayes
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-real-story-behind-greeces-debt-crisis-473939011904

(Sorry, the video's transcript is on right-wing website. I couldn't find a better link.)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/curtis-houck/2015/07/01/chris-hayes-bemoans-morally-monstrous-european-banks-grinding-greece



Do you remember during the mortgage crisis of 2008 and 2009, when certain quarters looked to blame homeowners for the crisis, making the argument that irresponsible people took out loans they couldn't pay back. Therefore, they had to be held to account and to face punishment for their bad decisions. Even though, of course, the banks were the ones who made the bad loans in the first place. Well, right now, we're seeing the exact same thing play out in Europe. Greece borrowed more money from international banking interests than they could afford to pay back and they're being punished because they can't pay back their loans. Even though those banking interests, the northern Europeans, were outright enablers of Greek excess, aggressively sought to provide loans to Greece during the bubble era and here's the thing.

What was true in our own financial crisis is also true in Greece. Every loan is a two-way transaction. A person decides to borrow money and a person decides to lend it and sometimes, you lend out money that doesn't get paid back. That's the risk you take as a lender. In fact, that's why you get interest and when a loan goes bust, you write down your losses and move on. No, no, no, but instead, what we've seen in Europe are demands from the banking interests that have ground Greece into misery and brought it to the brink of outright disaster. Under series of austerity measures and spending cuts demanded by its creditors, Greece has seen a 25 percent decline in GDP, roughly equivalent to our own great depression. A quarter of the country is unemployed.

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