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socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:24 AM Apr 2015

I hope everyone is well in our little "Classic Red" corner of DU........

I've been out of pocket for the last few weeks with a big writing project we're working on for the League for a Fifth International which has cut my DU and SP time. Carry on comrades and I'll talk to you when I get a moment!

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I hope everyone is well in our little "Classic Red" corner of DU........ (Original Post) socialist_n_TN Apr 2015 OP
I don't know why I didn't join this group sooner... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #1
Well, Lenin and Trotsky had some ideas...... socialist_n_TN Apr 2015 #2
so Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #3
This is still a safe space. :) Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #4
I expect her to be non-women hating TBF Apr 2015 #5
The lesser of two evils is still evil Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #6
My focus is not voting - TBF Apr 2015 #7
I'm not voting either Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #8
I'm actually more likely to show up to vote if it's local - TBF Apr 2015 #9

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
1. I don't know why I didn't join this group sooner...
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 06:00 AM
Apr 2015

My time is so divided up. I've never quite finished Zinn's book on the People's History of the United States, either. I keep working and working harder in a system that wants to kill me or my ideas first, I can't remember which.

Sometimes I think, "How do we do it?"

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
3. so
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:53 AM
Apr 2015

Is it still a safe place to post that isn't over run by neoliberals and delusional Hillarites? Maybe we should support Hillary because
A Clinton presidency would be a perfect embodiment of the polarization and rot of the US political system

What could we expect from a Hillary presidency? My guess is that it would be Wall Street–friendly, militarized and secretive — though seasoned with mostly empty rhetoric about uplift, community and inclusion. It would do little to address polarization and rot. In fact it would be a perfect embodiment of polarization and rot. There will be strenuous efforts over the next year and a half to argue otherwise, but they will convince no one but loyalists.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
4. This is still a safe space. :)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

The SOP is still in effect. I, for one, but I think I can speak for the others too, would not like to see any chilling of views here.

(My usual caveat: this group can still have its posts juried by anyone on DU, via an alert. Hosts have no control over that, if your roll of the dice goes wrong.)

TBF

(34,320 posts)
5. I expect her to be non-women hating
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:39 AM
Apr 2015

which is a plus (even though we were lectured not to say that). Economically ... well, we saw what NAFTA and the repeal of significant portions of Glass-Steagall has done to our country. And she is one of the primary architects of TPP. I'm willing to listen and given the choice between her and a Scott Walker the choice is easy for me.

But I expect in this corner of DU we will stay focused on talking about class and pushing the conversation to the left. That is my goal anyway.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. The lesser of two evils is still evil
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

personality that is a moral line I will not cross anymore.
I will rather work on local level politics. Even if Hillary or another Democrat wins, the senate and the house will remain republican and the gridlock will continue and if there is any bipartisan laws passed it will be to the right and not to the left.

TBF

(34,320 posts)
7. My focus is not voting -
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:59 AM
Apr 2015

it's a dog and pony show at best (particularly at the national level). I agree with working on local level and advocating for systemic change.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. I'm not voting either
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

as george carlin said

“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

TBF

(34,320 posts)
9. I'm actually more likely to show up to vote if it's local -
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:13 AM
Apr 2015

school board, governor etc ... that's why it's so funny when the gang accuses us of sitting out midterms. That's when I'm more likely to show up.

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