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speak easy

(12,598 posts)
Fri May 5, 2023, 08:23 PM May 2023

The Coronation of Charles III is a religious service.

Charles will be crowned head of the Church of England, divinely appointed by God.

If you are watching the service , keep in mind that this is the very thing rejected in the First Amendment: Henry VIII's State Religion.

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The Coronation of Charles III is a religious service. (Original Post) speak easy May 2023 OP
Isn't the king or Queen also the head of the Church of England? debm55 May 2023 #1
um ... "Charles will be crowned head of the Church of England" speak easy May 2023 #2
Sorry, didn't have my glasses on.So sorry. debm55 May 2023 #3
not a problem speak easy May 2023 #4
Incorrect... regnaD kciN May 2023 #17
What do you SUPREME means? speak easy May 2023 #20
Then they'll need a colander Effete Snob May 2023 #5
Sacred oil consecrated in Jerusalem speak easy May 2023 #6
Olive oil, cold pressed in Spain Effete Snob May 2023 #7
Eztra Virgin? speak easy May 2023 #12
No thanks, I'm in a hurry Effete Snob May 2023 #16
Hah! UTUSN May 2023 #8
"Civil Rights, civil liberties, social justice, stewardship of the planet" speak easy May 2023 #9
We're dems, not royals UTUSN May 2023 #10
so you wont be tuning in? speak easy May 2023 #13
1- if I wake up, 2- like I did for KARDASHIANS & Apprentice UTUSN May 2023 #15
Regarding religious freedom in the first amendment, wnylib May 2023 #11
And you didn't know the King is the head of the Church of England? Bev54 May 2023 #14
Neither of them were... regnaD kciN May 2023 #18
"Elizabeth II's 70 years as head of the Church of England" speak easy May 2023 #21
Oh well then let's get caught up in semantics, it is the same thing. Bev54 May 2023 #23
they appear to possibly be an Anglican churcher, based off earlier comments of theirs Celerity May 2023 #25
*** crickets *** speak easy May 2023 #24
Monarchies: the longest running con games in human history LudwigPastorius May 2023 #19
a scam to rob the people speak easy May 2023 #22

regnaD kciN

(27,639 posts)
17. Incorrect...
Fri May 5, 2023, 11:41 PM
May 2023

The title is “supreme governor,” not “head.” This change was made during the reign of Elizabeth I, symbolizing that the monarch was the in charge of administering the operation of the C of E, but without the authority to define new dogmas or doctrines; that matter was reserved for the bishops of the church itself.

Plus, “Henry VIII’s state religion” is deceptive. Before the C of E split from Rome under Henry, it certainly had a state religion of Roman Catholicism.

And, although it certainly isn’t your intent, you are unwittingly echoing a talking point of modern-day Christian Nationalism: that the purpose of the First Amendment was to free the country from “mushy, liberal” Anglicanism, so “true, Bible-based Christianity” could arise and become the foundation of our nation.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
20. What do you SUPREME means?
Sat May 6, 2023, 12:12 AM
May 2023

or Governor for that matter?

The Governor of a State is not the head of the executive?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
7. Olive oil, cold pressed in Spain
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:02 PM
May 2023
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I believe in government by whomever has the silliest thing on their head.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. No thanks, I'm in a hurry
Fri May 5, 2023, 11:38 PM
May 2023

But you can send her over to my place later if she’s still around.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
9. "Civil Rights, civil liberties, social justice, stewardship of the planet"
Fri May 5, 2023, 10:34 PM
May 2023

Oh wait? What does the King make of that? Head of the Church, he knows the will of God.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
15. 1- if I wake up, 2- like I did for KARDASHIANS & Apprentice
Fri May 5, 2023, 11:36 PM
May 2023

I gotta know what peeps are talking about.







wnylib

(26,009 posts)
11. Regarding religious freedom in the first amendment,
Fri May 5, 2023, 10:42 PM
May 2023

there's an interesting part of American history on that.

Puritan colonists in America did not seek to establish religious freedom in their colonies. They established religious freedom for themselves only. All people of other faiths were driven from the colonies, or imprisoned, or executed if caught for a third time.

Ironically, it was the British who enforced religious tolerance on the colonies. When Britain sent soldiers to protect the colonies from invasion attacks by the French, the colonial governments in New England refused to let them have their own churches until the British government forced them to allow it.

But, colonial governments still charged everyone a tax, regardless of membership, for the maintenance of the Puritan church and for the salaries of the ministers. Only full members of the Puritan church had voting rights in colonial times. Connecticut was still doing that after the US was established until ordered to stop.

Our nation's founders learned from their experiences right here in America, not just from Europe, since we had a colony established for Catholics (Maryland), and most of the southern colonies had Anglican churches. Several Baptists had arrived in New England and there were Quakers in PA and NJ.

To accommodate everyone, including the Deist founders, freedom of religion was put into the first amendment.






Bev54

(13,431 posts)
14. And you didn't know the King is the head of the Church of England?
Fri May 5, 2023, 11:14 PM
May 2023

As his Mother was the head of the Church of England. I don't see your point.

regnaD kciN

(27,639 posts)
18. Neither of them were...
Fri May 5, 2023, 11:47 PM
May 2023

…they were the “governor,” not the “head.” The last British monarch named “head” of the Church in England was Edward VI, Henry VIII’s son, who died in 1553.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
21. "Elizabeth II's 70 years as head of the Church of England"
Sat May 6, 2023, 12:14 AM
May 2023
https://religionnews.com/2022/06/03/elizabeth-iis-70-years-as-head-of-the-church-of-england/

King Charles III's coronation
"The palace describes it as "a solemn religious service" and it acknowledges the king's role as both the head of state and head of the Church of England. The king is the Church's Supreme Governor."

https://abc7chicago.com/coronation-schedule-of-events-crowning-king-charles-british-monarchy-queen-camilla/13212457/

Obviously the palace does not have a cue

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
25. they appear to possibly be an Anglican churcher, based off earlier comments of theirs
Sat May 6, 2023, 03:32 AM
May 2023

nothing more boring (and often, historically, also nothing more deadly) than arguments over religious claptrap, quote often of a pendantic nature

LudwigPastorius

(14,724 posts)
19. Monarchies: the longest running con games in human history
Sat May 6, 2023, 12:06 AM
May 2023

...followed closely by organized, hierarchical religions.

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