Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:25 AM Feb 2023

American accent or a collective speech impediment?

I hear it so many times that people don't enunciate "L", it becomes a "W" and sounds like a child speaking.

"Widdwe" vs Little for example.

Listen closely for it to include media reporters.

54 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
American accent or a collective speech impediment? (Original Post) mysteryowl Feb 2023 OP
Be careful, lest the woofman will get you. GreenWave Feb 2023 #1
Southern Illinois----absolutely. Add "lye-berry", "chim-lee" and "sam-witch". nt Atticus Feb 2023 #3
"Let's eat braakfest" and "How are yeew?" and "fawve" for five. Midnight Writer Feb 2023 #14
Woof instead of wolf -- also in Michigan Sanity Claws Feb 2023 #48
My brother who plays Jimi Hendrix songs lives in Flint, Michigan for 3 decades. GreenWave Feb 2023 #52
Your brother, the language influencer! Sanity Claws Feb 2023 #53
I hear a crazy way to say important LakeArenal Feb 2023 #2
I've noticed that too in the last 10 years of so. paleotn Feb 2023 #4
Or the Southern version: Aristus Feb 2023 #5
Grammar has gone he way of cursive writing. LakeArenal Feb 2023 #7
I speak some Southern: JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2023 #28
I'm sorry. I speak Southern fluently. 'Y'all' is never singular. Aristus Feb 2023 #29
Yall wudnt raised in 'ese hills n hollars, wuz ye. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #46
This one makes me cringe every time i hear it. ariadne0614 Feb 2023 #23
When it first became widespread, I thought, "When did American English get a glottal stop?" Hekate Feb 2023 #36
Jimmy Carter used to say it that way. wnylib Feb 2023 #38
My daughter's English professor told the class American English evolves all the time. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #6
More like devolving. LakeArenal Feb 2023 #8
The thing about evolution... targetpractice Feb 2023 #16
"devolving" is not what a lot of people "think." CTyankee Feb 2023 #24
The definition of devolving has devolved into something else. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #27
The DARE - Dictionary of American Regional English Tetrachloride Feb 2023 #9
Oh, Interesting! electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #32
My daughter has a linguistics degree from McGill, and told me the same thing. ariadne0614 Feb 2023 #25
Yep same here. I try to be more tolerant. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #26
In first or second grade I was learning to spell words, my mom was hanging up the "warsh" to dry. Pobeka Feb 2023 #10
My late father-in-law, born and raised here in Washington State, Aristus Feb 2023 #30
Was he or his parents originally from Indiana/Illinois/Wisconsin area? Pobeka Feb 2023 #50
Here is an interesting take on "little" mysteryowl Feb 2023 #11
Also, I'm hearing "with he and I" or "with she and I" EVERYWHERE. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #12
Or "me and her" and "me and him". greatauntoftriplets Feb 2023 #13
Drives me nuts to hear it, too. wnylib Feb 2023 #39
I first noticed the "liddle" pronunciation about 10 yrs.ago yorkster Feb 2023 #15
That's interesting, which I pronounce "intresting." Ocelot II Feb 2023 #17
That one really gets to me because so many anchors and pundits on tv Bev54 Feb 2023 #19
I also pronounce it as "intresting". yorkster Feb 2023 #20
Oh. Reading this - I think I sometimes do pronounce it "intresting". Huh! electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #33
Oh. Reading this - I think I sometimes do pronounce it "intresting". Huh! electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #34
Whenever I fully enunciate "interesting" intrepidity Feb 2023 #43
I very weirdly had the same thought last night. yorkster Feb 2023 #47
I live in Canada and one of the small towns I lived in people would pronounce Bev54 Feb 2023 #18
West Virginia folks also say chimley Sanity Claws Feb 2023 #49
Well this small town was previously a coal mining town, I wonder if there is a relation to that. Bev54 Feb 2023 #54
And then there's the ubiquitous r to y switcheroo in February. nt ariadne0614 Feb 2023 #21
Whatsamatter U? You no can talk good? Wounded Bear Feb 2023 #22
Whatsamatta me? Whatsamatta you?! Hekate Feb 2023 #37
Also heard among some Italian Americans. wnylib Feb 2023 #40
That was Bullwinkle's alma mater. Wolf Frankula Feb 2023 #41
I once used the distributive property in mathematics to explain a problem of English Aristus Feb 2023 #31
That's how I learned it too intrepidity Feb 2023 #44
"Widdwe". Wait...what? Really?!!! In my not so humble opinion that sounds stupid... electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #35
That 2nd "r" in marry functions as a speedbump intrepidity Feb 2023 #45
Some TV show once did a segment on North Carolinians pronouncing both "oil" and "all" as "aowl." tblue37 Feb 2023 #51
I grew up in Erie, PA and noticed wnylib Feb 2023 #42

GreenWave

(12,641 posts)
1. Be careful, lest the woofman will get you.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:28 AM
Feb 2023

Woof= wolf S. Illinois and a lot of Missouri.

They also say starm instead of storm and my oh my the number after thirty nine is quite embarrassing.

Sanity Claws

(22,413 posts)
48. Woof instead of wolf -- also in Michigan
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:20 AM
Feb 2023

I knew someone from Michigan and he said woof. I had to ask whether he was referring to a dog, thinking the dog goes woof so maybe that is what he meant. Nope, he meant wolf. I had never heard that pronunciation before.

GreenWave

(12,641 posts)
52. My brother who plays Jimi Hendrix songs lives in Flint, Michigan for 3 decades.
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 12:10 PM
Feb 2023

Perhaps he helped spread it.

paleotn

(22,212 posts)
4. I've noticed that too in the last 10 years of so.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:35 AM
Feb 2023

Strange pronunciation but it seems widespread now.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
28. I speak some Southern:
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:09 PM
Feb 2023

Second person singular: Y'all

Second person plural: All Y'all.

Easy.

The pronunciation I hate is "new-cu-lar" instead of "new-clee-ar". I think GWB might have popularized the dumb pronunciation.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
29. I'm sorry. I speak Southern fluently. 'Y'all' is never singular.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:13 PM
Feb 2023

Singular is 'Yeeeeew'.

Plural is 'Y'all'.

When addressing a large group, it's 'All y'all'.

ariadne0614

(2,174 posts)
23. This one makes me cringe every time i hear it.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:23 PM
Feb 2023

It seems to be a female thing, and comes across like a 21st century Valley Girls affectation.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
36. When it first became widespread, I thought, "When did American English get a glottal stop?"
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:38 PM
Feb 2023

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
6. My daughter's English professor told the class American English evolves all the time.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:38 AM
Feb 2023

The language their grandparents spoke will be different from the language their grandchildren will speak.

We can hear it all the time now, what we consider bad pronunciation and bad grammar.

It is the language evolving in front of us.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
16. The thing about evolution...
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 01:56 PM
Feb 2023

... is whatever is standing or predominant at the end of the day, won.

ariadne0614

(2,174 posts)
25. My daughter has a linguistics degree from McGill, and told me the same thing.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:39 PM
Feb 2023

Her gentle admonishment caused me to adopt a more enlightened attitude in general, but I reserve the right to harbor a small measure of momentary distain where certain deviances are too painful to bear.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
26. Yep same here. I try to be more tolerant.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:14 PM
Feb 2023

But yes it is difficult.

I really dislike hearing: She gave it to Susan and I.

Pobeka

(5,006 posts)
10. In first or second grade I was learning to spell words, my mom was hanging up the "warsh" to dry.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:48 AM
Feb 2023

I remember it quite clearly, I asked her where the "r" was in "wash". She said of course there is no "r".

From that day on I understood that people pronounce things in ways that are not consistent with the spelling.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
30. My late father-in-law, born and raised here in Washington State,
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:15 PM
Feb 2023

pronounced it 'Warshington'.

He also said 'Garsh!' instead of 'Gosh!'.

Pobeka

(5,006 posts)
50. Was he or his parents originally from Indiana/Illinois/Wisconsin area?
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:36 AM
Feb 2023

My mom was from southern-ish Indiana, where they also had zuchini "squarsh". My sister lived in Wisconsin and Minnesota for about 5 years and came back with a notable accent. Garsh was definitely something she picked up in Wisconsin, you know, where they have "Osh Kosh by Gosh"

Funny thing -- I moved to Tacoma in the mid 1980's and the friends I made here commented how I didn't have any accent at all, which is a way of saying my accent matched the Washington accent...

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
12. Also, I'm hearing "with he and I" or "with she and I" EVERYWHERE.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 12:11 PM
Feb 2023

Fingernails on a blackboard.

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
39. Drives me nuts to hear it, too.
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 12:13 AM
Feb 2023

Too many Americans do not know how to use pronouns or understand the difference between subject and object. Most annoying is when I use them correctly and someone tries to correct me with the incorrect version.


.

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
15. I first noticed the "liddle" pronunciation about 10 yrs.ago
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 01:34 PM
Feb 2023

listening to Anderson Cooper - that and "inneresting".
from another source, can't remember where.
Now it's kind of omnipresent.
I know some of it is regional. I'm originally from the Boston area, so some things are more Brit sounding.
Aunt, for example. (Ahnt). And little would have the t's as
percussive.
Of course, Boston and New England have their own peculiarities speechwise...

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
17. That's interesting, which I pronounce "intresting."
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 02:01 PM
Feb 2023

"Inneresting" sounds really wrong.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
19. That one really gets to me because so many anchors and pundits on tv
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 02:08 PM
Feb 2023

also say it that way. I mean inneresting

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
20. I also pronounce it as "intresting".
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 02:17 PM
Feb 2023

I think inneresting is kind of a mush mouth thing. But it's out there. Just like "gennelman ", which I have "definallly, definally " heard. (Ok, the latter was Dustin Hoffman in Rainman.)
.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
33. Oh. Reading this - I think I sometimes do pronounce it "intresting". Huh!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 10:49 PM
Feb 2023

Of which just got "corrected" to interesting - which I caught in time to have the "correct" mispronouncement.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
34. Oh. Reading this - I think I sometimes do pronounce it "intresting". Huh!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 10:51 PM
Feb 2023

Of which just got "corrected" to interesting - which I caught in time to have the "correct" mispronouncement.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
43. Whenever I fully enunciate "interesting"
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 06:04 AM
Feb 2023

I feel like Artie Johnson on "Laugh-In"...Verrrrrrry in-ter-es-ting.

Else, it's merely in-tres-ting.

yorkster

(3,832 posts)
47. I very weirdly had the same thought last night.
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 09:47 AM
Feb 2023

Saying interesting "correctly" implies the "very"to those who remember Laugh In - or to many of us at least.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
18. I live in Canada and one of the small towns I lived in people would pronounce
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 02:05 PM
Feb 2023

chimney as chimley. I would ask them how they spelled it and they could properly spell but it seemed the whole town pronounced it wrong. It was us newcomers that apparently didn't know how to speak.

Sanity Claws

(22,413 posts)
49. West Virginia folks also say chimley
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:24 AM
Feb 2023

At least a friend from West Virginia told me that years ago. When he moved to the West Coast, he dropped regionalisms to fit in.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
54. Well this small town was previously a coal mining town, I wonder if there is a relation to that.
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 01:00 PM
Feb 2023

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
31. I once used the distributive property in mathematics to explain a problem of English
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:22 PM
Feb 2023

grammar to my stepson.

One time he was waiting for his girlfriend to come over because "her and I are going to the movies."

I told him "She and I."

He said: "That doesn't sound right."

I replied " 'Her and I are going to the movies.' That's a simple sentence. Turn it into a compound sentence: 'Her is going to the movies, and I am going with her.' You know that sounds wrong, doesn't it?"

"Yeah."

"So change it. 'She is going to the movies, and I am going with her.' "

"Got it."

"Now turn it back into a simple sentence: 'She and I are going to the movies.' "

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
35. "Widdwe". Wait...what? Really?!!! In my not so humble opinion that sounds stupid...
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 11:05 PM
Feb 2023
Dodges brickbats!

I've never heard that!
And I do enjoy regional variations.


The one that got me idk 20+ yrs back was most people do not, or possibly can not pronounce these 3 words
and have them sound different!

Mary. Merry. Marry. Huh?!

So I'm making up a test sentence:

Mary was feeling merry today, because her friend was going to marry a childhood sweetheart.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
45. That 2nd "r" in marry functions as a speedbump
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 06:13 AM
Feb 2023

Mar-y vs mar-ry. Takes longer to say marry than Mary.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
51. Some TV show once did a segment on North Carolinians pronouncing both "oil" and "all" as "aowl."
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:39 AM
Feb 2023

That was in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
42. I grew up in Erie, PA and noticed
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 12:30 AM
Feb 2023

pronunciations among people who lived in nearby rural areas. They said crick for creek, dint for didn't, bobbed wire instead of barbed wire.

A little farther south of us toward Pittsburgh there was "y'uns" as the plural for you.

My cousins in South Buffalo said "care" for car and "hat" for hot.

I thought my pronunciations were pretty standard until I moved to Ohio and people there told me that I have a western PA accent because I say Dawn for the name Don, drawing out the vowel too much. I don't hear the difference.

Latest Discussions»The DU Lounge»American accent or a coll...