Shutting down gov't. will end the political careers of Reps. Gaetz, Taylor Greene, says Rep. Raskin

[Rhiannon12866]

Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., joins Morning Joe to discuss the possibility of a government shutdown. - Morning Joe - MSNBC - Aired on 09/22/2023.

[LonePirate]

1. I disagree. MAGA voters want the government to shut down. They will reward Gaetz and Greene.

[Boomerproud]

14. Sorry Rep. Raskin. It will solidify their base.

That's how sick we've become.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Will also greatly hurt our 401k's and the lives of millions, many will suffer badly

but that is the point, that is why they are doing it.

Sure they are following orders from the traitor, but harming us, all of us, is the main point because A. they hate us and B. they think we will blame Joe.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. And, as Thom Hartmann said on yesterday's show, the Republicans are following TFG's orders

This sorehead is out to hurt the country and these extremists in the House only answer to a constituent of one - TFG.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. And millions cant wait to vote for them again, which is why this cant and wont be fixed. Regardless

of elections, we are never going back to sanity.

[stopdiggin]

4. anybody taking money on this one?

I got a few bucks ...

[Rhiannon12866]

5. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed!

[ancianita]

6. lol who are you betting on, Raskin or the Unfreedom Schemer Caucus?

I'll put my money on Raskin.

[stopdiggin]

7. unless there's been a sea change

(that no one else has noticed) I kinda' lean toward Post #1. This type of antic and 'performance art' haven't cost them in the past. Unless their constituents have suddenly changed spots ... ?

[ancianita]

9. Well,

I think we're overlooking their owner/donors who hide out through their dark money -- the Koch network that intends to end democracy, starting with pushing neoliberal trickle-down economics to force impoverishment on Americans (with their two-Santa operatives across rethug administrations to weaken our taxpayer funded budgets & grow our debt, then ALEC & legislatures, then with the courts, and now the House.

It's them I'm really betting against. And so is the Democratic Party.

[stopdiggin]

10. Joe and Sally MAGA

are much more interested in 'owning the libs' (to the exclusion of anything else). And that's where the votes are.

Donald Trump was NOT the pick of the monied and powerful. But he darned sure put a tickle in Joe and Sally's bum.

[ancianita]

11. Maybe. However,

As Peter Hotez says in today's LA Times,

...Analyses by myself and colleagues have found that 200,000 unvaccinated Americans died during this period.

Overwhelmingly, those deaths occurred in Republican strongholds, including 40,000 in my state of Texas. A closer examination reveals that the redder the county, the lower the immunization rates and the higher the death rates...

The unvaccinated were targeted by a well-financed and newly politicized anti-vaccine movement.

It accelerated at the CPAC conference of conservatives in Dallas in the summer of 2021, when prominent anti-vaccine activists were featured speakers and one Republican lawmaker from the House Freedom Caucus announced that vaccinations would lead to government confiscations of Bibles and guns.

Just before CPAC, another prominent Freedom Caucus member had disparaged vaccinators as “medical brown shirts,” meaning Nazis, and she later attacked me and other scientists by name on Steve Bannon’s podcast....

So you can write off Joe and Sally as dying off to own the libs. The numbers won't be there for Trump in either the primaries or the general.

Right, Trump wasn't the pick of the monied and powerful, but he remains their tool for destroying democracy's important structures. That's all they care about. Not who's in office, but who follows their instructions no matter who's the front man. Could be Trump or McCarthy or Gaetz or some AI.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. I would always bet on Jamie Raskin!

[dalton99a]

8. Nope. They will be reelected.