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peppertree

(23,344 posts)
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:27 PM Aug 2023

Why no insurrection charge? Ralph Nader on how Trump could still be reelected unless DOJ acts

Let's not shoot the messenger. He makes some very good points.

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Why no insurrection charge? Ralph Nader on how Trump could still be reelected unless DOJ acts (Original Post) peppertree Aug 2023 OP
Is Nader still weighing in on politics? Aristus Aug 2023 #1
I vomit every time I see his name WhiteTara Aug 2023 #4
my question as well Fullduplexxx Aug 2023 #2
Yes. Insurrection as a Superseding Indictment. MagaSmash Aug 2023 #3
+1 peppertree Aug 2023 #5
Ralph Nader, the guy who helped W steal his election??? marble falls Aug 2023 #6
I hear you - but we shouldn't shoot the messenger peppertree Aug 2023 #8
i would think nader and sarandan are raising money for trump samsingh Aug 2023 #7
You're arrogance is showing, Ralph. The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2023 #9
He should just go away. Loathsome man. nt jrthin Aug 2023 #10
Seems to be a very good question. Why hasn't it been done ? republianmushroom Aug 2023 #11
Hopefully, Smith might still be working on that insurrection charge as a superseding indictment. peppertree Aug 2023 #13
Just as Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004, Harlan Crow is funding no labels for the same reason LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #12

Aristus

(72,188 posts)
1. Is Nader still weighing in on politics?
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:34 PM
Aug 2023

You're one of the reasons we've sunk this low, buddy-boy. Stick to consumer advocacy. You were brilliant at that.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
4. I vomit every time I see his name
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:42 PM
Aug 2023

he is the reason we can't have nice things. He did what he did and the world is paying. May he receive all his just rewards in hell.

peppertree

(23,344 posts)
5. +1
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:43 PM
Aug 2023

That might just be what Smith's working on.

He's proven he knows how to stay a step ahead of El Cheetolino.

peppertree

(23,344 posts)
8. I hear you - but we shouldn't shoot the messenger
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:54 PM
Aug 2023

He makes some very good points.

Now - Smith might still be working on that insurrection charge, as a superseding indictment.

But if that's going to be left off the table...

peppertree

(23,344 posts)
13. Hopefully, Smith might still be working on that insurrection charge as a superseding indictment.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
Aug 2023

But you're right: the fact that it's taken this long speaks to the fact that big-money interests were in favor of the coup attempt - and were only sorry it failed.

In other countries, when coup attempts are swept under the rug - that's almost always the reason.

In Argentina, for example, a fascist group financed by a family closely-tied to Trump's pal Macri (the Caputos), came this close to assassinating the country's popular (but polarizing) vice president a year ago.




Elections are this year, and at the time it was widely believed she'd run - and probably win (she opted out).

The case - overseen by a right-wing federal judge and prosecutor - is being systematically swept under the rug.

The reason? The local gentry does not want it investigated - and were only sorry it failed.

History likes to rhyme.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,872 posts)
12. Just as Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004, Harlan Crow is funding no labels for the same reason
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 04:00 PM
Aug 2023

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.
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