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Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 01:25 AM Aug 2023

'Shockingly embarrassing': Trump stuck on old tricks even as the game has changed - Alex Wagner MSNBC



Even as the charges against him grow more numerous and more serious, Donald Trump continues to draw plays from the same cringey playbook, announcing a Monday press conference at which he intends to reveal the true evidence of a stolen election in Georgia. David Plouffe, former White House senior advisor under President Obama, discusses with Alex Wagner. - Aired on 08/15/2023.


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'Shockingly embarrassing': Trump stuck on old tricks even as the game has changed - Alex Wagner MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 OP
Can't anybody shut him up? stage left Aug 2023 #1
We're counting on Judge Chutkan after that warning he signed, it's like he's daring her Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #2
it is very likely that all 90 odd charges end in hung jury rampartc Aug 2023 #3
He faces 91 charges! Just heard that on the TV. He deserves to go down for all of them Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #4
a criminal rampartc Aug 2023 #5
Well, we know that there are clearly fewer of them than there are of us Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #6
i get it rhia, but rampartc Aug 2023 #7
We know he'll ignore it, he needs "detention" as Judge Chutkan threatened Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #8
I was also remembering DU.2 and the hatred that we saw towards Dick Cheney - more than anyone Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #9
i respect liz cheney for the support vs trump rampartc Aug 2023 #10
LOL, agreed! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #11
You are not making mathematical sense. wnylib Aug 2023 #21
I can't believe the Republicans are letting him run Captain Zero Aug 2023 #12
I can't, either. Not only to they have to twist themselves into pretzels to agree with him Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #13
How do you figure? The charges are very simple and in any number of times TFG or his lawyers... marble falls Aug 2023 #14
i figure that thousands of brainwashed morans will , for the 1st time in their lives rampartc Aug 2023 #15
It only takes one in any jury. How often does that happen? Senators, Congressmen, Governors ... marble falls Aug 2023 #16
how often do we try a cult leader? rampartc Aug 2023 #17
Squeaky Fromm would never have been on a jury, but to answer your last question ... marble falls Aug 2023 #18
thanks, marble. great list rampartc Aug 2023 #19
We need to avoid imaginary pitfalls, stay disciplined and as steady as these judges, Jack Smith ... marble falls Aug 2023 #20
Thank you! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #23
COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. His psyche can't "lose" so there "must have been cheating". A very sick man. MagaSmash Aug 2023 #22

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
3. it is very likely that all 90 odd charges end in hung jury
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 01:56 AM
Aug 2023

or otherwise fall in trump's favor.

it is no better than 50/50 that we can beat trump, and an easy 30% of the country fabtasize biden to be some kind of commie dictator and themselves as the heroes of "red dawn" (the worst of the reagan era propaganda.)

what the holy hell is wrong with this country ?????????

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
4. He faces 91 charges! Just heard that on the TV. He deserves to go down for all of them
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 02:16 AM
Aug 2023

But even half or a third of them should result in a prison sentence. I can't believe he's actually running to lead the government that he attempted to overthrow!

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
5. a criminal
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 02:29 AM
Aug 2023

who has never had a pet, or a friend, or a woman who loved him for anything except $$$$$$$$$$$$.

and his party of traitors love him because he hates us as badly as they do.

how can this possibly end well??????

sorry rhia. hate night panic attack. i really don't see how 1 cult juror (in georgia!) of 12 can be avoided for the mistrial, and as we should know, if 1 charge of 91 hangs a jury, the "total vindication" victory tour will sweep trump to the white house.

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
6. Well, we know that there are clearly fewer of them than there are of us
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 02:41 AM
Aug 2023

People tend to forget that he actually lost twice! It's just that he lost so overwhelmingly the second time that the Electoral College didn't matter. Not to mention, I read right here that it was the Republicans who were the major victims of Covid since they listened to TFG. And how many trials is he facing?? The "hush money" payments in Manhattan, the classified documents case in Florida, the illegal business practices case in New York - and then Jack Smith's biggest case, his attempt to overthrow the government, as well as the upcoming case in Georgia. I understand your panic, I can't stand thinking about it all, either, let alone the constant news about him since 2016 - but the professional prosecutors are on the job, Fani Willis is determined, but Jack Smith has put away war criminals.

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
8. We know he'll ignore it, he needs "detention" as Judge Chutkan threatened
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 02:59 AM
Aug 2023

And he has done exactly what he signed off on saying he wouldn't do.

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
9. I was also remembering DU.2 and the hatred that we saw towards Dick Cheney - more than anyone
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 03:20 AM
Aug 2023

Back then, who could possibly have imagined that he'd have come around - supported the TFG impeachments - and that his daughter would have been instrumental on the January 6th Committee which provided the majority of evidence against TFG - as well as those who testified were Republicans.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
10. i respect liz cheney for the support vs trump
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 03:42 AM
Aug 2023

but i also maintain a healthy respect for poisonous reptiles.

wnylib

(26,025 posts)
21. You are not making mathematical sense.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 01:06 PM
Aug 2023

With so many criminal charges against Trump in 4 different indictments, the odds are that there will be at least 1 conviction.

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
12. I can't believe the Republicans are letting him run
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 04:20 AM
Aug 2023

I guess all they really do have are HIS voters?

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
13. I can't, either. Not only to they have to twist themselves into pretzels to agree with him
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 04:35 AM
Aug 2023

But they have to know that most of what he proposes is illegal, would not be popular and would only benefit himself. So many have left the party and are pretty vehement about it, like The Lincoln Project and those who testified for the January 6th Committee. And he got fewer votes both times, but he lost 2020 by a landslide. What does it take??

marble falls

(71,946 posts)
14. How do you figure? The charges are very simple and in any number of times TFG or his lawyers...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:42 AM
Aug 2023

... have admitted to them.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
15. i figure that thousands of brainwashed morans will , for the 1st time in their lives
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:58 AM
Aug 2023

not get out of jury duty only to gain the favor and approval of dear leader. it only takes 1.

marble falls

(71,946 posts)
16. It only takes one in any jury. How often does that happen? Senators, Congressmen, Governors ...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:06 AM
Aug 2023

... and Judges have been sent to prison by jurors.

Jurors get vetted. Keep remembering: This is Fulton County. This is a good judge with a good record. This is Fanni Willis a good prosecutor with a good record and this TFG who hasn't denied what he's done - only why he's done it. What you suggest is jury tampering and it isn't going to happen with this court and prosecution.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
17. how often do we try a cult leader?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:09 AM
Aug 2023

could manson have been convicted if squeaky fromm had been on the jury?

marble falls

(71,946 posts)
18. Squeaky Fromm would never have been on a jury, but to answer your last question ...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:41 AM
Aug 2023
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There's a whole bunch more.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
19. thanks, marble. great list
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:50 AM
Aug 2023

and i'm about to concede this point, but, do any of those cults number in the 10s of millions and include judges, governors and generals?

we obviously must be prepared for violence, and always remember that any violence will be broadcast as our fault.

marble falls

(71,946 posts)
20. We need to avoid imaginary pitfalls, stay disciplined and as steady as these judges, Jack Smith ...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:59 AM
Aug 2023

... and Fanni Smith are. There is at least one more indictment coming. No one can throw that many prosecutions with the quality of judges and prosecutors that are pushing the criminal proceedings along. Stay calm!



There is a pretty good list of convicted high ranking public officials if You need me to post it.



The DOJ, Merrick Garland, Jack Smith, Fanni Willis, Alvin Bragg got this!!!! TFG's not getting away, he will not be running for office again.


We don't need to give him vigilante justice, the law covers his crimes and the justice system is working. We aren't getting even, society is exacting justice.

MagaSmash

(12,362 posts)
22. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. His psyche can't "lose" so there "must have been cheating". A very sick man.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 01:27 PM
Aug 2023
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