Klobuchar On The GOP Federal Abortion Ban: 'It's Much Worse Than It Sounds' - All In - MSNBC

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Sen. Amy Klobuchar joins Chris Hayes to discuss the legislation for a nationwide abortion ban introduced by Sen. Lindsey Graham—and why “it’s much worse than it sounds just when you say 15 weeks.” - Aired on 09/13/2022.

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1. What about the jailed pregnant women? The loss of body autonomy?

That’s the harm and the real message.

I hope we drive these points home. 🔨

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2. If we are going to codify religious beliefs

Then we must do away with separation of church and state. The Catholic hierarchy will then be in an incredible quandary. Tax exemption or fetuses. Oh the angst. Oh the possibility of blanket exposure of hypocrisy. Damn you lindsay graham. We had a good thing going bitching about abortion for more then 50 years before your god trump appointed 3 morons to the SC. We good Christians would rather continue bitching then getting things what we tell people would be our way.

[Warpy]

3. No preventive surgery for ectopic pregnancy

Just let it rupture and maybe the woman will bleed out and die, maybe she'll get back to the hospital in time.

Nothing about any of the horrific birth defects that render a fetus nonviable outside the mother's body.

No room for medical discretion and standards of practice, at all.

Politicians should NOT be trying to practice medicine, especially upon those whose anatomy theiy are both ignorant of and do not share.

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4. Catholics should not be trying to practice medicine either

Thanks for your post Warpy. In a correlation manner let’s do away with the separation of church and state.

[Warpy]

7. Certainly not their priests and above

because they're even screwier than politicians, they're still stuck on Aristotle. For pity's sake, we've moved on over the last few thousand years, no thanks to them.

I wish there was a way to bust them for medical quackery.

However, I suppose large scale and complete civil disobedience is going to have to do the trick.'

I'm glad I'm old, I can't take much more of these sanctimonious frauds who think they're going to both get elected and into heave over the corpses of the women their ignorance and arrogance have killed.

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5. It blows my mind that these mostly male politicians can make such personal/life and death decisions

About the lives of women who they will never know - or their health issues and circumstances!

[Tanuki]

6. Lots of things can go wrong even after 15 wks. This was in our paper:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2022/08/25/tennessee-abortion-ban-doctors-call-no-exception-law-inhumane-2022/7894682001/

"Dr. Laura Andreson's patient was 18 weeks pregnant when her water broke, a premature membrane rupture that occurred well before the baby could survive outside the womb.

With 20 years of medical experience, the Franklin doctor knew an abortion would be the best medical treatment for her patient. If she delayed, the mother would be at risk for severe bleeding, infection, multi-system organ failure and possibly death. 

"For this woman, the best medical decision was an abortion," Andreson said. 

But under Tennessee's new abortion ban, officially in effect as of Thursday, Andreson fears she would risk a felony charge for providing that medical treatment in the future. 

"Sadly, the termination of a pregnancy will put me at risk of being charged with a felony," she said. "...(more)

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8. The same thing happened to the wife of Senator Gary Peters of Michigan back in the '80s

Before the last election, I read this moving article written by a candidate explaining why he was "pro-choice" and another DUer found the article - and the senator - for me. Apparently his wife was pregnant with a much wanted child, but something went wrong and it was determined that the fetus she was carrying was no longer viable. So it was immediately necessary to remove this deteriorating fetus before his wife got ill and died. But no doctor or hospital would agree to it since it was considered an "abortion" and his wife continued to get sicker by the day. At the last minute, they found "someone who knew someone" who agreed to the procedure and his wife survived, but that was his nightmare of an experience and he wrote about it. And how many women will now find themselves in that position today???