House progressives join the crazy #MAGA cult on Ukraine (kos)

[swag]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/24/2130971/-House-progressives-join-the-crazy-MAGA-cult-on-Ukraine

Excerpt (click through and read the whole thing) -

"This is beyond naive, stupid and irresponsible. Let us count the ways:

This is Ukraine’s war with Russia. The idea that the United States can waltz in and dictate terms to a foreign country would validate every accusation that Ukraine is America’s puppet, and validate tankie claims that the United States is an imperialistic power that can dictate the world order. Very ironic, indeed, from a caucus that bills itself as committed to anti-imperialism.

The United States and Biden, along with our European allies, engaged in a strong diplomatic effort to prevent this war from starting in the first place. A lack of Western and American diplomacy isn’t what’s keeping the war going, it’s that Russia has zero interest in anything resembling honoring Ukraine’s territorial integrity. It has literally “annexed” four Ukrainian provinces it doesn’t even occupy, along with Crimea, which it annexed back in 2014. You think Russia is going to willingly surrender territory it considers part of Russia itself?

Russia doesn’t honor agreements anyway. See this thread for more.

Russia would kill for a ceasefire right now. In fact, it is literally doing that as it targets civilian infrastructure. Russian troops are being pushed back in three (and maybe four) of the oblasts (provinces) it currently occupies. They are so bereft of armor, that it has appropriated Belarus’ old shit tanks and armored personnel carriers for itself (as well as ammunition). It is begging Iran for suicide drones, rockets, and body armor and helmets. It has mobilized around 300-500,000 Russians and is shipping them to the front lines with little or even no military training. A ceasefire would allow them to lock in current gains—gains that it is losing daily—as well as train, equip, resupply, and set up better defenses.

In other words, a ceasefire would mark the end of Ukraine’s ability to retake its lands, and condemn its civilians behind enemy lines to rape and murder. "

[claudette]

1. Truly

disgusting behavior.

[calguy]

2. If their brains were as big as their mouths...

They might have something valuable to contribute.

[nycbos]

4. Yup

[dalton99a]

9. +1

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. I'm so diappointed in these people.

Is something causing group brain farts in DC? This makes no sense and will only encourage Putin.

Anyway, it's a NATO issue, not just ours.

[brer cat]

10. +1 nt

[Cha]

5. Thank You, swag.. I'm exhausted

from reading and posting about this shocking Stupidity.. who do they think they're helping here?

[dalton99a]

7. It is truly imbecilic

[blue-wave]

8. I just cannot tolerate

even reading this to the end, I'm seeing blood red right now I'm so angry.

But just a little side note/thought. How many votes will this cost the democrats this mid-term? Places like Pennsylvania, New York state, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. which have large portions of their citizens who are from central and eastern Europe or their descendants? I am furious!!!!!!

[dalton99a]

11. Bold Move. Profiles in Courage

[Hortensis]

12. At least they're not calling them liberals.

Last edited Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Not that what they’re doing ideologically here has anything to do with progressivism — what it really is, but people are used to their subverting that important word into referring to…socialism, anticapitalism, illiberalism, radical left, class warfare populism, defund, wide open borders, absolutely no limits on abortion, etc, and Russia appeasers, whatever they want it to mean — meaning their faction.

I believe that WaPo writer who called them “liberals” had to have done it for the same reason Fox claims Democrats are “defund” “socialists” etc — to trick people into voting against Democrats.

”I am not, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat.” I don’t know what that means to Bernie — not what it does to this liberal Democrat, but we both know they’re different.