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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:10 PM Jul 2013

D.C. Council approves ‘living wage’ bill over Wal-Mart ultimatum

Source: Washington Post

D.C. lawmakers gave final approval Wednesday to a bill requiring certain large retailers to pay their employees a 50 percent premium over the city’s minimum wage, a day after Wal-Mart warned the law would jeopardize their plans in the city.

The retail giant on Tuesday linked the future of at least three planned stores in the District to the proposal. But the ultimatum did not change any legislators’ minds. The 8-5 vote, which came after a hour-long debate in a packed council chamber, matched the outcome of an earlier vote on the matter.

“The question here is a living wage; it’s not whether Wal-Mart comes or stays,” said Vincent Orange (D-At Large), a lead backer of the legislation who added the city did not need to kowtow to threats: “We’re at a point where we don’t need retailers. Retailers need us.”

Should the bill be signed by Mayor Vincent C. Gray and pass a congressional review period, retailers with corporate sales of $1 billion or more and operating in spaces 75,000 square feet or larger would be required to pay employees no less than $12.50 an hour. The city’s minimum wage is $8.25.


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D.C. Council approves ‘living wage’ bill over Wal-Mart ultimatum (Original Post) Triana Jul 2013 OP
Fantastic. Love to see anyone stand up to Walmart. Laurian Jul 2013 #1
Yes I'm very happy with this outcome. I hope more city councils do the same! n/t Triana Jul 2013 #2
+1 wtmusic Jul 2013 #31
BOYCOTT Wal*Mart! Support your local unions! Coyotl Jul 2013 #3
One small step for man, one giant step for mankind! OffWithTheirHeads Jul 2013 #4
Who wants to bet WalMart folds and goes in anyway? dballance Jul 2013 #5
Or reconfigures stores to under 75,000ft ceonupe Jul 2013 #22
They'll stil have to pass zoning ordinances................. mrmpa Jul 2013 #44
They already passed zoning before ceonupe Jul 2013 #48
store size won't matter in malwarts case RedstDem Jul 2013 #61
if you red the rule u have to have both over a billion and the sq-ft size ceonupe Jul 2013 #64
well that sucks RedstDem Jul 2013 #71
Yes, Wal-Mart is plotting how to get around this law as we speak. fasttense Jul 2013 #49
Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #50
The 75K square feet requirement was dropped at one point Chathamization Jul 2013 #76
YESSSS. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #6
Excellent. F**k Apall-Mart. marmar Jul 2013 #7
And a GIANT FU to Wal-Mart BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #8
you should get yourself on some city councils! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #46
why can't a living wage bill undergroundpanther Jul 2013 #9
Can't we just be happy for one stinkin' day mac56 Jul 2013 #11
um, I think there's a lot of non-rich people in DC ArcticFox Jul 2013 #78
Good. Suck it wallyworld! nt bunnies Jul 2013 #10
If the store is profitable, they won't pull out Warpy Jul 2013 #12
California minimum wage is $8.00 Iliyah Jul 2013 #13
& some major cities in CA have higher MW's alp227 Jul 2013 #74
great job! frylock Jul 2013 #14
They made a wise decision. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #15
awesome news, yay ! nt steve2470 Jul 2013 #16
How long will Wal-Mart keep threatening America? louis-t Jul 2013 #17
jeopardize their plans tiny elvis Jul 2013 #18
Ha, good one! Nice to know Wall Street/Big Business doesn't always win. nt the Weird Liberal Jul 2013 #19
Excellent. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #20
Thought it was interesting here a few years ago Walmart was happy to tell their employees to go Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #21
Republicans love Wal Mart and their slave wages. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #24
Oh Fuck Yes! Phlem Jul 2013 #23
Oh no. No Walmart in town? Ash_F Jul 2013 #25
Bless them! aquart Jul 2013 #26
What if Walmart built stores cosmicone Jul 2013 #27
Alrighty then BornLooser Jul 2013 #28
Excellent!! DCBob Jul 2013 #29
The mayor may veto it--let's not celebrate too soon. spooky3 Jul 2013 #30
"When DC customers can't get our cheap disposable crap anymore, THEN they'll be sorry!" wtmusic Jul 2013 #32
About Time - Actually, Way Past Due cantbeserious Jul 2013 #33
Fantastic news!!! Owl Jul 2013 #34
Awesome ... Lenomsky Jul 2013 #35
Excellant. SoapBox Jul 2013 #36
Wal-Mart is an economic black hole Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #37
GREAT news! K&R&T. n/t jenmito Jul 2013 #38
Well said, Vincent Orange n/t brentspeak Jul 2013 #39
It is actually not about a living wage in the end...it is about competition... glinda Jul 2013 #40
Yeah we won one!!! n/t. airplaneman Jul 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author airplaneman Jul 2013 #67
Introducing the new 74,999 square foot Walmart! n/t savalez Jul 2013 #42
This makes my day. A good first step n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #43
SHOUT out for Justice BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #45
1 independent for, 1 independent against, the rest are all Democrats Chathamization Jul 2013 #75
interesting. Thank you! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #79
Good! MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #47
We'll listen to Walmart's concerns . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #51
Everywhere WovenGems Jul 2013 #52
I don't understand the excitement over this vote. lawwolf Jul 2013 #53
you've made a good point there wordpix Jul 2013 #54
The road back from big box stores olsondr Jul 2013 #55
Why shouldn't every company have to pay a living wage? hack89 Jul 2013 #56
All it takes is legislation - raise the minimum wage. nt TBF Jul 2013 #58
So why didn't the DC council do that? hack89 Jul 2013 #59
Dunno - but I concede you make a good point. TBF Jul 2013 #60
Fuck Walmart. I am so sick of subsidizing millionaires. nt TBF Jul 2013 #57
WalMart seems to assume DC can't survive without them. JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #62
DC assumes that the majority of workers don't need a living wage hack89 Jul 2013 #63
Isn't that discriminatory? malthaussen Jul 2013 #65
$12.50 is still a pittance compared to an actual living wage (esp in DC) AllyCat Jul 2013 #66
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #68
About time VA_Jill Jul 2013 #69
Even when I worked there 47of74 Jul 2013 #73
Who else is effected by this? neffernin Jul 2013 #70
this is my take ... I maybe wrong ... but this is how I see it. littlewolf Jul 2013 #72
Having different minimums for different employers is dumb. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #77
 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. Who wants to bet WalMart folds and goes in anyway?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jul 2013

I don't see them giving up any market.

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
22. Or reconfigures stores to under 75,000ft
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:50 PM
Jul 2013

Most new Walmart stores now are the smaller format stores. I predict they make the store smaller by dividing it and leasing some space out.

The express and food store formats are going up everywhere.

I expect Walmart abandons one location and downsizes 2.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
44. They'll stil have to pass zoning ordinances.................
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jul 2013

and that's where the grassroot campaigners will make their stand.

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
48. They already passed zoning before
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:14 AM
Jul 2013

They already passed zoning before and will again.

Specificly because the store is owned by a separate company and already zoned. That company could reduce the store layout without requiring rezoning.

Watch and see you may be surprised. I don't think all 3 will open as orginally planned. Look at walmarts competitors in urban lower income markets? They are all smaller format stores. Family dollar and dollar general

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
64. if you red the rule u have to have both over a billion and the sq-ft size
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jul 2013

if you red the ordinance u have to have both over a billion and the sq-ft size.

otherwise corporate owned (fast food/cell phone stores) McDonald's (well over 1 billion annual sales) would be subject to the rule

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
49. Yes, Wal-Mart is plotting how to get around this law as we speak.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:41 AM
Jul 2013

That's the problem with thinking regulations will make corporations do the moral, rational thing. By allowing corporations to keep the wealth and power they make off their workers, with no input or voice from the workers, the corporation will always try to con, manipulate, lie and cheat to by-pass laws to restrict their abuses. You have to take away their wealth and power by putting workers on the board of directors. Mandating that boards of directors be made up of workers will make the corporation more democratic and less likely to abuse local workers.

Capitalism has got to be replaced and not just regulated in order to change the systematic abuse by corporations.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
76. The 75K square feet requirement was dropped at one point
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jul 2013

and then reintroduced later. Which is a real shame, but still, this is a nice progressive victory for the city. Now we need to all lean on the mayor and push him to not veto it. Which I'm afraid he might.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. And a GIANT FU to Wal-Mart
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

I hope more cities do this, especially the ones that already have that pustule. Then let's see if they fold of their tent and go home. Doubt it. Bastards. Costco should move in post haste as they would have no problem meeting that minimum. They should give free membership to economically challenged communities and watch the living wage sprout customers like seeds.

And a hearty thank you, I really didn't think the pols, any pols had it in them to stand up to that cancerous company. I'm sure they'll face some kind of election backlash with scads of cash thrown at some competitor. But just imagine where we could be if pols voted with their constituents in mind!

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
9. why can't a living wage bill
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jul 2013

happen for an entire country,instead of just DC?
Is it only for DC because so many rich people live there,and wouldn't want wal mart to blight C like it has so many other towns??

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
78. um, I think there's a lot of non-rich people in DC
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jul 2013

The rich people live in Maryland, Virginia, etc.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
12. If the store is profitable, they won't pull out
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jul 2013

They haven't pulled out of Santa Fe, even though they screamed that the city minimum wage would ruin them.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. California minimum wage is $8.00
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jul 2013

each state have their own minimum limits but the Federal law protects the minimum across the country. DC is not a state but the laws pertain to it the same. Cost of living - not all all states do. So far as to the people of DC, DC have a large middle to lower Middle to poor population in such a small area.

I commend DC in not sucking up the the big corporations.

alp227

(33,282 posts)
74. & some major cities in CA have higher MW's
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

San Francisco recently made it $10.55/hour, and my city that's near SF recently made it $10.00/h.

louis-t

(24,618 posts)
17. How long will Wal-Mart keep threatening America?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jul 2013

Orange is correct. Retailers need the cities.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. Thought it was interesting here a few years ago Walmart was happy to tell their employees to go
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

and apply for Medicaid and food stamps because their wages was so low. Another form of corporate welfare.

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
30. The mayor may veto it--let's not celebrate too soon.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jul 2013

I'm in NoVA and the local media say there is a real possibility of a veto. Some of his constituents want to shop at Wally World.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
32. "When DC customers can't get our cheap disposable crap anymore, THEN they'll be sorry!"
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

...or something like that.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
37. Wal-Mart is an economic black hole
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jul 2013

DC is better off if they just go away. So is every other community.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
40. It is actually not about a living wage in the end...it is about competition...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jul 2013

when Walfart pays people less, makes them go on food stamps, has the Cities pay for their taxes, road construction, sewer, etc.....and leaves older buildings vacant...they also make sure there is absolutely NO competition nor nary a small business wither to be found anywhere near it. This is the bigger picture.

Response to airplaneman (Reply #41)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
45. SHOUT out for Justice
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:57 AM
Jul 2013

Real Justice, the kind that's FAIR and HUMANE.


8-5 vote. Gee I sure wonder what the party lines were on that vote.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
75. 1 independent for, 1 independent against, the rest are all Democrats
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jul 2013

Though I should not that the independent that voted in favor of it is basically a Democrat (he left the party just so he could run for this position), the one that voted against it is basically a Republican (he officially left after the party kept telling him he'd go to hell...then they wondered why there weren't Republicans on the DC council).

The votes a little strange though because two of the five who were against that are considered to be on the more liberal end, while there were corporatists and party machine types that voted in favor of it. Just goes to show that you can never be sure who your allies are in politics.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
51. We'll listen to Walmart's concerns . . .
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:44 AM
Jul 2013

When the Walmart heirs start paying their taxes, instead of hiding their money in the Cayman Islands, maybe we'll listen to Walmart's concerns.

Three cheers for the D.C. City Council!

WovenGems

(776 posts)
52. Everywhere
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jul 2013

there is a Walmart needs to enact this rule. The company can't withdraw from all communities. They just may stop viewing their employees as less than human.

lawwolf

(58 posts)
53. I don't understand the excitement over this vote.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:54 AM
Jul 2013

If a living wage is important, why not require all employers to pay it. Why is it bad for Wal-Mart to pay $8.25 to it's employees but it is ok for CVS (or any other smaller, low to no skill employer) to pay $8.25. Also, as pointed out, all Wal-Mart has to do is build a store that is 74,000 square feet and they can continue to pay $8.25. This just seems to me to be yet another pointless political statement that will have very little real life impact.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
54. you've made a good point there
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:00 AM
Jul 2013

DC is very expensive to live in and CVS, etc. SHOULD pay the same $12.50 as Walmart, which SHOULD pay the same no matter what size bldg. they build.

But at least the city council stood up and drew a line, instead of getting rolled over completely.

 

olsondr

(12 posts)
55. The road back from big box stores
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jul 2013

I was hoping this would happen. Let's make sure the Mayor signs the bill.

As I was thinking about this yesterday it struck me that this type of thing could be a road back from the low wage/big box concept that has dominated retail for 20 years. There are two outcomes here:

1. The Walmarts of the world suck it up and pay their employees the $12.50/hr, allowing them to support their families better and not depend on the government (as much... 12.50 is still not a lot don't let them fool you)

2. The Walmarts of the world leave and a multitude of smaller local stores spring up to fill the gap. This could be especially important in a place like DC where decent jobs and entrepreneurship have been stymied in the inner city because of all the big box stores. Neighborhoods with store fronts instead of boarded up windows. The ability to work and shop near your home rather than spend more of your limited resources on transportation.

Both scenarios are better than we have now. Congratulations D.C.... Now let's hope other cities follow suit.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
56. Why shouldn't every company have to pay a living wage?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jul 2013

MacDonalds, for example, is a billion dollar corporation - they can afford it.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
59. So why didn't the DC council do that?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jul 2013

instead of writing a law that focuses on one or two companies. That is what I don't understand.

TBF

(36,665 posts)
60. Dunno - but I concede you make a good point.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

I would say we need a federal law to mandate raising the minimum. Maybe folks feel that is a hard thing to do, but it is what I would advocate.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
62. WalMart seems to assume DC can't survive without them.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jul 2013

Their ultimatum hints that the retail space will go unfilled unless there's a WalMart at that location. That's pretty arrogant, and I doubt it's true.

WalMart's business model appears to be "If we can earn a billion dollars a year, we'll stay. If it's only 900 million, we'll abandon the store and let competitors move in."

If I was a shareholder, I'd suggest the person who made that decision be replaced.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
63. DC assumes that the majority of workers don't need a living wage
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jul 2013

considering that they tailored the law to exempt the vast majority of businesses.

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
65. Isn't that discriminatory?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

I don't patronize WalMart, and I am no lover of their policies. But how is it justifiable in law that larger retailers must pay a better wage than smaller?

-- Mal

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
66. $12.50 is still a pittance compared to an actual living wage (esp in DC)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

but so glad to see this approved. If Wally World is gone, other smaller, and more community-based businesses can flourish and provide more jobs overall than one stupid Wart Mall does.

VA_Jill

(14,361 posts)
69. About time
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

...municipalities stand up to WalMart. Their "mini-jobs" are not really doing much for the community.

My dad knew Sam Walton since high school days. He said Sam was always a go-getter but not greedy, and would be appalled at the way his kids are now acting. May Dad, and Mr. Sam, both rest in peace.....although maybe Sam should come back and haunt his greedy kids......

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
73. Even when I worked there
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jul 2013

There was a real sense that it just wasn't the same without Sam around. That the company wasn't what it once was.

neffernin

(275 posts)
70. Who else is effected by this?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

I assume home depot, lowe's and similar stores. What about grocery stores? Do those get past that threshold? If not, I honestly feel this bill doesn't go far enough.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
72. this is my take ... I maybe wrong ... but this is how I see it.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:13 PM
Jul 2013

Walmart will do 1 of 3 things....

1. they will build the smaller stores.

2. they will build just across the line from DC.

3. they will pay the wage ( highly unlikely)

just how I see it.

Pterodactyl

(1,687 posts)
77. Having different minimums for different employers is dumb.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jul 2013

The government of DC should not be raising the wages of only some employers, in effect saying that it's OK for smaller employers to pay less than a living wage. If they want to raise the minimum, fine, but have it equal for all. To do otherwise only invites cronyism.

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