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moonshinegnomie

(3,823 posts)
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 06:05 PM 11 hrs ago

President unveils new 'Trump class' fleet of battleships

Source: cnn

President Donald Trump unveiled a new “Trump class” of Navy battleships Monday, describing them as a superior war fighting vessel to replace an “old and tired and obsolete” US fleet.

“They’ll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American ship building industry, and inspire fear in America’s enemies all over the world,” Trump said in revealing the new category of vessel from the library at Mar-a-Lago.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/22/politics/trump-shipbuilding-venezuela-tensions



a waste of billions of dollars. and another reason to slash the defense budget
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President unveils new 'Trump class' fleet of battleships (Original Post) moonshinegnomie 11 hrs ago OP
This Asshole JBTaurus83 11 hrs ago #1
It's why he's had so many bankruptcies. Beartracks 10 hrs ago #7
Billions? Hundreds of Billions more like it bucolic_frolic 11 hrs ago #2
Do they have bone spurs? 31st Street Bridge 11 hrs ago #3
Good one! chouchou 5 hrs ago #44
Who is building these? Are there plans? 🤔 Srkdqltr 11 hrs ago #4
The American shipbuilding industry is on life support and cannot produce these ships . . . or any other ship AverageOldGuy 10 hrs ago #5
Yes, thats what i thought. Srkdqltr 10 hrs ago #9
All surface ships are targets, now more than ever. Shipwack 7 hrs ago #34
In 2 weeks. Beartracks 10 hrs ago #8
He's co-designing them himself. That really is what he said. muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #10
The Reagan administration was building unnecessary Klarkashton 10 hrs ago #6
Not building, but taking out of storage, no? Shipwack 6 hrs ago #36
Yes, they took WW II Iowa class Battleships out of mothballs thought crime 6 hrs ago #40
I recall that they built new ones. It was a big deal at the time. Klarkashton 5 hrs ago #42
To be fair the tRump class will be AI controlled making it unsinkable yaesu 3 hrs ago #45
So Dipshit is designing ships now Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 10 hrs ago #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve 10 hrs ago #12
LMAO. Kid Berwyn 9 hrs ago #13
DUzy! love_katz 8 hrs ago #25
They will never be built. Nt Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #14
Actual battleships? cab67 9 hrs ago #15
"In the age of relatively inexpensive microprocessor Strelnikov_ 8 hrs ago #19
No, they appear to be oversize guided missile cruisers sarisataka 8 hrs ago #26
Just another way to get his damn name out there in public. calimary 9 hrs ago #16
What an Asshole Akakoji 9 hrs ago #17
Gosh. Which hostile foreign power to whom Trump is indebted would benefit from this? Orrex 9 hrs ago #18
Well, officially we're the world's only superpower n/t Polybius 6 hrs ago #38
First of all, Bayard 8 hrs ago #20
Trump Class? Trump.... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #21
pedo the felon has the "bone-spurs deferments" class Justice matters. 5 hrs ago #43
He's so good at putting down our military. And smearing ALBliberal 8 hrs ago #22
Umm, sir, gold leaf... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #23
Not long before the good old USA becomes... Escape 8 hrs ago #24
It is questionable ..... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #27
Hey America hadEnuf 8 hrs ago #28
30,000 to 40,000 tons? RetiredParatrooper 8 hrs ago #29
The Battleship became obsolete on December 7th, 1941, but that fact seems to have escaped Jack Valentino 7 hrs ago #30
I'm not sure that's totally true, especially in shore bombardment, but carriers had become much more important by then. Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #33
Cost overruns will be tenfold and it will sink at it's christening. Buddyzbuddy 7 hrs ago #31
Battleships were obsolete during WWII MissouriDem47 7 hrs ago #32
Battle this mofo🖕🏼 oasis 7 hrs ago #35
I was sure that this was an article from The Onion. nt Shipwack 6 hrs ago #37
The way the navy does it is the class is named for the christened name of the 1st ship. JohnnyRingo 6 hrs ago #39
This is Trump's Vanity Project thought crime 5 hrs ago #41
Another TACO Fantasy That will never happen. MissouriDem47 3 hrs ago #46
Doesn't congress have to approve the expenditure? Or is this like the $40 billion Argentina LastLiberal in PalmSprings 3 hrs ago #47

AverageOldGuy

(3,275 posts)
5. The American shipbuilding industry is on life support and cannot produce these ships . . . or any other ship
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 06:31 PM
10 hrs ago
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-cant-the-us-build-ships

Year End Orders for Large Oceangoing Ships
Number of ships.

Shipbuilder 2022 2021 2020

China 1,794 1,708 1,216
South Korea 734 626 441
Japan 587 612 533
Europe 319 288 284
United States 5 3 4


Trump is an idiot. I can hear the groans from the Navy, especially after Hogsbreath announces that, yes, the Navy will build battleships.
Battleships went the way of dinosaurs with the introduction of the carrier -- the battleship is nothing but a target today.

Even if the Navy decides to go this route, and if Congress agrees, it will be ten years before the first keel is laid and another 5-7 years before the first is launched. Never happen.


Shipwack

(2,974 posts)
34. All surface ships are targets, now more than ever.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:21 PM
7 hrs ago

The world’s militaries are failing to learn from the lessons of the Malvinas (Falklands) war, and from the current Ukraine conflict.

Submariner boasting aside, in the past couple of years we have seen how a few tens of thousands dollars worth of drones can destroy warships that cost in the 100s of millions. In the Falklands (about 40 years ago) Great Britain learned that a minor military power (Argentina) could destroy the UK’s best ships.* The only reason they didn’t lose their carrier to an (undetected) Argentinian submarine was because of a torpedo tube malfunction.

Submarines are not quite obsolete yet, but it is only a matter of time before underwater drone technology catches up.

*To be accurate , part of the reason for the UK’s losses were due to completely idiotic communication procedures that required all ships to simultaneously turn off their early warning radars in order to transmit/receive message traffic. Still, everyone was surprised how effective land based anti-ship missiles were.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,484 posts)
10. He's co-designing them himself. That really is what he said.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 06:48 PM
10 hrs ago

Because he's a "very aesthetic person".

Klarkashton

(4,646 posts)
6. The Reagan administration was building unnecessary
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 06:33 PM
10 hrs ago

Battle ships too. The hangover from all that shit was horrible.

Shipwack

(2,974 posts)
36. Not building, but taking out of storage, no?
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:35 PM
6 hrs ago

That’s how I remember it, anyway.

There was an argument to be made at the time (and to a lesser extent today) that battleships had a role in laying down suppressing fire prior to a beach landing. Missiles are expensive and have a limited area of effect. Modern shipboard guns are fewer in number and lack the necessary “oomph”. The Army and Marines complained that getting air support from the Air Force or Navy was difficult.

There are various fantasy plans for retrofitting existing* battleships. Replacing their boilers with nuclear reactors would not only make them the fastest surface ships ever built, but free up room for supplies and ammo. Redesigned munitions for the 16” guns would give them longer range and would be immune to anti- missile technology.

What Reagan and the Republicans did screw up was planning a 700 ship Navy. This massive expansion was going to require a lot more sailors to be recruited far ahead of time. When that plan was scrapped, there was a glut of sailors with no place to put them. This screwed up advancement, and required both voluntary and involuntary separations. This screwed up the Navy for years.

By the way, please don’t think I am advocating for a bigger military or Navy. I agree with Eisenhower that we have a choice between guns or butter, and we have way more guns than necessary.

thought crime

(1,136 posts)
40. Yes, they took WW II Iowa class Battleships out of mothballs
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:23 PM
6 hrs ago

They were obsolete and ready to become museum ships.

Klarkashton

(4,646 posts)
42. I recall that they built new ones. It was a big deal at the time.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:57 PM
5 hrs ago

I haven't the time to look it up now.

yaesu

(8,892 posts)
45. To be fair the tRump class will be AI controlled making it unsinkable
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 01:33 AM
3 hrs ago

because no matter how many hits it takes it will demand a recount and refuse to sink.

Response to moonshinegnomie (Original post)

Kid Berwyn

(22,703 posts)
13. LMAO.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 07:35 PM
9 hrs ago

In a long winded and totally demented confabulation with some admiral he was talking with, Marshall Vladimir Bonespurs talked up how our fleet as ugly and the Navy should “bring back” the big beautiful battleship. True story. He’ll do anything to distract from his treasons, evil, perversions and historic criminality. So, yeah, go ahead and launch the USS Epstein Island, wingman.

cab67

(3,618 posts)
15. Actual battleships?
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:12 PM
9 hrs ago

Not warships in general? Battleships? The ones that became obsolete for anything but shore bombardment once aircraft carriers were a thing? The ones whose role was restricted once the Mahan Doctrine (single massive engagement between navies) was made irrelevant by naval air power?

They were certainly effective at shore bombardment - they were used for that until the Gulf War in 1991 - but unless we plan to bombard a bunch of shores in the near future, this is a vanity project that will hopefully be cancelled in the near future.

And if - which I find highly unlikely - a warship is ever named after Old Colostomy, the name will be a curse. I'd be surprised if it didn't sink minutes after being launched.

Strelnikov_

(8,091 posts)
19. "In the age of relatively inexpensive microprocessor
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:33 PM
8 hrs ago

guided solid fuel rockets, anything above surface will last about 24 hours.”

Quote from a couple decades ago.

With modern military drones, the outlook for surface ships has not improved. Consider the fate of the Black Sea fleet.

sarisataka

(22,202 posts)
26. No, they appear to be oversize guided missile cruisers
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:15 PM
8 hrs ago

Think of the Soviet Kirov class battlecruisers

calimary

(88,856 posts)
16. Just another way to get his damn name out there in public.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:12 PM
9 hrs ago

When do the “Trump Enema” packs come out?

Orrex

(66,589 posts)
18. Gosh. Which hostile foreign power to whom Trump is indebted would benefit from this?
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:24 PM
9 hrs ago

Hobbling our Navy with a fleet of obsolete deadweight? Can't imagine which superpower nation would stand to gain.

Bayard

(28,347 posts)
20. First of all,
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:56 PM
8 hrs ago

I am astounded that Mar-a-Lardo has a library.

Second, what is going to get cut from the budget so these magic ships can be built?

ALBliberal

(3,199 posts)
22. He's so good at putting down our military. And smearing
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:01 PM
8 hrs ago

over it with gold paint. Asshole.

Making it seem like the military artillery tanks ships etc as well as personnel were not up to standard “before” he took office.

Hate him with the heat of 1000 suns.

reACTIONary

(6,948 posts)
23. Umm, sir, gold leaf...
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:03 PM
8 hrs ago

Flanked by renderings of the “Trump class” battleships at sea, Trump said he would take an active role in their design.

Umm, sir, gold leaf highly reflects radar.

reACTIONary

(6,948 posts)
27. It is questionable .....
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:16 PM
8 hrs ago

..... whether the vessel itself ever would be built

From the WaPo article about the announcement:

Mark Cancian, a senior adviser in the defense and security program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank. He questioned whether the vessel itself ever would be built, noting that its significant size will saddle the battleship with similar limitations and vulnerabilities as the nation’s other large warships. The Navy for decades has emphasized a smaller and distributed fleet as a way to counter evolving technologies such as drone warfare.

“There’s going to be a lot of ink spilled over this ship — but this ship is never going to sail,” Cancian predicted. “It’s going to take four, five, six years to develop a ship this large that is so unlike current designs.”


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Jack Valentino

(4,249 posts)
30. The Battleship became obsolete on December 7th, 1941, but that fact seems to have escaped
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:31 PM
7 hrs ago

Trump's notice.... Now he's planning to build battleships bigger than the Yamato and Musashi?


Let's buy him some toy boats for his bathtub and call it good.
We can spray-paint them golden if he insists.

Gore1FL

(22,814 posts)
33. I'm not sure that's totally true, especially in shore bombardment, but carriers had become much more important by then.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:02 PM
7 hrs ago

Japan not knowing where the U.S. carriers were saved a lot of ships that day.

JohnnyRingo

(20,410 posts)
39. The way the navy does it is the class is named for the christened name of the 1st ship.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:58 PM
6 hrs ago

Nuclear attack subs are Ohio Class but each subsequent boat is named after a different state.

Does this mean the following ships will be named after his family?

BTW it isn't a battleship. We don't use those any more. He has no idea what he's talking about.

thought crime

(1,136 posts)
41. This is Trump's Vanity Project
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:40 PM
5 hrs ago

"Our President" has found a hobby and will bring back the Battleship. His advisors and even some Navy people are astounded at the genius and strategic brilliance of this idea that somehow no Naval experts could or would ever think of. They said, "Sir, what an astounding idea!" They even let him announce it, in public, with a live microphone. This will be his Legacy. DOA in 2029.

47. Doesn't congress have to approve the expenditure? Or is this like the $40 billion Argentina
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 02:26 AM
3 hrs ago

got in a process no one can explain?

What about the bidding process, design, equipment, etc.

Or is this going to be like destroying the WH East Wing, which he did because no one told he couldn't.

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