President unveils new 'Trump class' fleet of battleships
Source: cnn
President Donald Trump unveiled a new Trump class of Navy battleships Monday, describing them as a superior war fighting vessel to replace an old and tired and obsolete US fleet.
Theyll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American ship building industry, and inspire fear in Americas enemies all over the world, Trump said in revealing the new category of vessel from the library at Mar-a-Lago.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/22/politics/trump-shipbuilding-venezuela-tensions
a waste of billions of dollars. and another reason to slash the defense budget
JBTaurus83
(846 posts)Burns through money faster than anyone Ive seen.
Beartracks
(14,308 posts)bucolic_frolic
(53,783 posts)This is just another delusion. It will pass.
31st Street Bridge
(56 posts)Just a guess.
chouchou
(2,735 posts)Srkdqltr
(9,311 posts)AverageOldGuy
(3,275 posts)Number of ships.
Shipbuilder 2022 2021 2020
China 1,794 1,708 1,216
South Korea 734 626 441
Japan 587 612 533
Europe 319 288 284
United States 5 3 4
Trump is an idiot. I can hear the groans from the Navy, especially after Hogsbreath announces that, yes, the Navy will build battleships.
Battleships went the way of dinosaurs with the introduction of the carrier -- the battleship is nothing but a target today.
Even if the Navy decides to go this route, and if Congress agrees, it will be ten years before the first keel is laid and another 5-7 years before the first is launched. Never happen.
Srkdqltr
(9,311 posts)Shipwack
(2,974 posts)The worlds militaries are failing to learn from the lessons of the Malvinas (Falklands) war, and from the current Ukraine conflict.
Submariner boasting aside, in the past couple of years we have seen how a few tens of thousands dollars worth of drones can destroy warships that cost in the 100s of millions. In the Falklands (about 40 years ago) Great Britain learned that a minor military power (Argentina) could destroy the UKs best ships.* The only reason they didnt lose their carrier to an (undetected) Argentinian submarine was because of a torpedo tube malfunction.
Submarines are not quite obsolete yet, but it is only a matter of time before underwater drone technology catches up.
*To be accurate , part of the reason for the UKs losses were due to completely idiotic communication procedures that required all ships to simultaneously turn off their early warning radars in order to transmit/receive message traffic. Still, everyone was surprised how effective land based anti-ship missiles were.
Beartracks
(14,308 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(105,484 posts)Because he's a "very aesthetic person".
Klarkashton
(4,646 posts)Battle ships too. The hangover from all that shit was horrible.
Shipwack
(2,974 posts)Thats how I remember it, anyway.
There was an argument to be made at the time (and to a lesser extent today) that battleships had a role in laying down suppressing fire prior to a beach landing. Missiles are expensive and have a limited area of effect. Modern shipboard guns are fewer in number and lack the necessary oomph. The Army and Marines complained that getting air support from the Air Force or Navy was difficult.
There are various fantasy plans for retrofitting existing* battleships. Replacing their boilers with nuclear reactors would not only make them the fastest surface ships ever built, but free up room for supplies and ammo. Redesigned munitions for the 16 guns would give them longer range and would be immune to anti- missile technology.
What Reagan and the Republicans did screw up was planning a 700 ship Navy. This massive expansion was going to require a lot more sailors to be recruited far ahead of time. When that plan was scrapped, there was a glut of sailors with no place to put them. This screwed up advancement, and required both voluntary and involuntary separations. This screwed up the Navy for years.
By the way, please dont think I am advocating for a bigger military or Navy. I agree with Eisenhower that we have a choice between guns or butter, and we have way more guns than necessary.
thought crime
(1,136 posts)They were obsolete and ready to become museum ships.
Klarkashton
(4,646 posts)I haven't the time to look it up now.
yaesu
(8,892 posts)because no matter how many hits it takes it will demand a recount and refuse to sink.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,308 posts)The USS Trumptanic
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Kid Berwyn
(22,703 posts)In a long winded and totally demented confabulation with some admiral he was talking with, Marshall Vladimir Bonespurs talked up how our fleet as ugly and the Navy should bring back the big beautiful battleship. True story. Hell do anything to distract from his treasons, evil, perversions and historic criminality. So, yeah, go ahead and launch the USS Epstein Island, wingman.
love_katz
(3,193 posts)USS Epstein Island
Fiendish Thingy
(21,866 posts)cab67
(3,618 posts)Not warships in general? Battleships? The ones that became obsolete for anything but shore bombardment once aircraft carriers were a thing? The ones whose role was restricted once the Mahan Doctrine (single massive engagement between navies) was made irrelevant by naval air power?
They were certainly effective at shore bombardment - they were used for that until the Gulf War in 1991 - but unless we plan to bombard a bunch of shores in the near future, this is a vanity project that will hopefully be cancelled in the near future.
And if - which I find highly unlikely - a warship is ever named after Old Colostomy, the name will be a curse. I'd be surprised if it didn't sink minutes after being launched.
Strelnikov_
(8,091 posts)guided solid fuel rockets, anything above surface will last about 24 hours.
Quote from a couple decades ago.
With modern military drones, the outlook for surface ships has not improved. Consider the fate of the Black Sea fleet.
sarisataka
(22,202 posts)Think of the Soviet Kirov class battlecruisers
calimary
(88,856 posts)When do the Trump Enema packs come out?
Akakoji
(469 posts)Seriously. Is he gifting them to Argentina or Russia?
Orrex
(66,589 posts)Hobbling our Navy with a fleet of obsolete deadweight? Can't imagine which superpower nation would stand to gain.
Polybius
(21,387 posts)Bayard
(28,347 posts)I am astounded that Mar-a-Lardo has a library.
Second, what is going to get cut from the budget so these magic ships can be built?
reACTIONary
(6,948 posts)...has no class.
Justice matters.
(9,275 posts)and no shame.
ALBliberal
(3,199 posts)over it with gold paint. Asshole.
Making it seem like the military artillery tanks ships etc as well as personnel were not up to standard before he took office.
Hate him with the heat of 1000 suns.
reACTIONary
(6,948 posts)Flanked by renderings of the Trump class battleships at sea, Trump said he would take an active role in their design.
Umm, sir, gold leaf highly reflects radar.
Escape
(367 posts)TRUMPLAND...
reACTIONary
(6,948 posts)..... whether the vessel itself ever would be built
From the WaPo article about the announcement:
Theres going to be a lot of ink spilled over this ship but this ship is never going to sail, Cancian predicted. Its going to take four, five, six years to develop a ship this large that is so unlike current designs.
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hadEnuf
(3,511 posts)Is it time to pull this psychotic clown out of office yet?
RetiredParatrooper
(41 posts)So smaller than the NC, SD and IA classes, as well as......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-class_battleship
Jack Valentino
(4,249 posts)Trump's notice.... Now he's planning to build battleships bigger than the Yamato and Musashi?
Let's buy him some toy boats for his bathtub and call it good.
We can spray-paint them golden if he insists.
Gore1FL
(22,814 posts)Japan not knowing where the U.S. carriers were saved a lot of ships that day.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,047 posts)The first ship.
MissouriDem47
(391 posts)oasis
(53,301 posts)Shipwack
(2,974 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,410 posts)Nuclear attack subs are Ohio Class but each subsequent boat is named after a different state.
Does this mean the following ships will be named after his family?
BTW it isn't a battleship. We don't use those any more. He has no idea what he's talking about.
thought crime
(1,136 posts)"Our President" has found a hobby and will bring back the Battleship. His advisors and even some Navy people are astounded at the genius and strategic brilliance of this idea that somehow no Naval experts could or would ever think of. They said, "Sir, what an astounding idea!" They even let him announce it, in public, with a live microphone. This will be his Legacy. DOA in 2029.
MissouriDem47
(391 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)got in a process no one can explain?
What about the bidding process, design, equipment, etc.
Or is this going to be like destroying the WH East Wing, which he did because no one told he couldn't.