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Omaha Steve

(108,278 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:47 AM Tuesday

Zelenskyy says proposals to end the war in Ukraine could be presented to Russia within days

Source: AP

By ILLIA NOVIKOV
Updated 7:37 AM CST, December 16, 2025
Leer en español

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says proposals being negotiated with U.S. officials for a deal to end the fighting in Russia’s nearly 4-year-old invasion of his country could be finalized within days, after which American envoys will present them to the Kremlin before possible further meetings in the U.S. next weekend.

A draft peace plan discussed with the U.S. during talks in Berlin on Monday is “not perfect” but is “very workable,” Zelenskyy told reporters hours after the discussions. He cautioned, however, that some key issues — notably what happens to Ukrainian territory occupied by Russian forces — remain unresolved.

U.S.-led peace efforts appear to be picking up momentum. But as the spotlight shifts to Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin may balk at some of the proposals thrashed out by officials from Washington, Kyiv and Western Europe, including postwar security guarantees for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy said that after the Berlin talks, “we are very close to (a deal on) strong security guarantees.”



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-peace-proposals-3533b250a9cf423576238a0a58725444

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Zelenskyy says proposals to end the war in Ukraine could be presented to Russia within days (Original Post) Omaha Steve Tuesday OP
No Surrender, No Retreat, Russia withdraws from all territory ChicagoTeamster Tuesday #1
Problem is it's getting colder and many have no heat womanofthehills Tuesday #9
Maybe you could cite these "polls" Emrys Wednesday #12
I know this is... GiqueCee Tuesday #2
The least of his worries FredGarvin Tuesday #3
yy is the preferred transliteration unc70 Tuesday #5
Thank you! GiqueCee Tuesday #10
Sigh, I was really hoping for war crime trials and total withdrawal of Russian troops. cstanleytech Tuesday #4
If Zelensky says its workable, Bayard Tuesday #6
I read this sentence as leaving that on the table: maxsolomon Tuesday #8
Putin won't accept it (and Zelensky knows it) Nictuku Tuesday #7
Nothing short of total subjugation will satisfy Putin. CanonRay Tuesday #11

womanofthehills

(10,680 posts)
9. Problem is it's getting colder and many have no heat
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

Polls show more and more Ukrainians want peace as millions at a time are without heat as Russia attacks infrastructure.

Crimea is probably out of the picture as it’s almost all Russians now. The Russians moved in and Ukrainians mostly moved out. .

Emrys

(8,897 posts)
12. Maybe you could cite these "polls"
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 12:37 AM
Wednesday

Polling reliably in wartime is always going to be problematic, but the polls I've seen indicate that Ukrainians understandably would like hostilities to end soon (dumb question), but absolutely NOT at the cost of ceding territory or any sort of capitulation.

As for Crimea, yet again, you pump the idea that "it's almost all Russians now".

Do I have to point out, yet again, that this is due to ethnic cleansing and genocide extending back into last century, not something to be accepted, let alone celebrated? It seems I do:

Russia repeats genocide on Crimean Tatars

The 80 years since the genocidal deportation of the Crimean Tatar people are not just a tragedy for the Crimean Tatars, but a systemic diagnosis and a historical warning of what Russian imperialism is.

MEP Anna Fotyga, former foreign minister of Poland

The Crimean Tatars are but one of numerous peoples who have suffered from Moscow's expansionist policies over the course of three consecutive centuries. Moscow first deprived the Crimean Tatars of their state territories, and then of their statehood on the Crimean Peninsula and the adjacent regions. These territories are currently witnessing fierce battles for Ukrainian independence.. In the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars, along with Poles and Ukrainians, fell into the hands of Russian imperialism, and the first thing Moscow did was strike at the historical memory of these peoples. The blow to the Crimean Tatars was so profound that by the end of the 19th century, they were on the brink of total extinction.

Even the microscopic presence of Crimean Tatars on the Crimean Peninsula was viewed as an existential, ideological, and historical threat for the Kremlin. Putin's words were not accidental when he said that Crimea is a sacred place for all of Russia. However, it is based on historical lies and omits the fact that less than 6 per cent of Crimea’s written history belongs to the Russian chapter. This short period of 168 years was fulfilled with genocidal policies of the Russian rulers, because in this strategic location there was no place for the indigenous people under tsarist, Soviet rule and likewise for Putin's and any other chauvinistic regime in Russia. As a result, on May 19, 1944, 80 years ago, Moscow organised a mass deportation of the Crimean Tatar people and several other ethnic groups residing on the peninsula. The entire Crimean Tatar people were squeezed into hundreds of enormous kilometer-long trains and moved eastward to Central Asia over 21 days. It was a deliberate decision to annihilate the people of Crimea and the peoples of the North Caucasus, who were also mass-deported that year. During their exile, the Crimean Tatars lost about half of their population.

Immediately after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, the process of complete historical, cultural, and archaeological annihilation of all Crimean Tatars began. 80 per cent of the Crimean Tatar localities were renamed. It was a deliberate and targeted forgetting of the history of Crimea, which was intertwined with the history of its indigenous people. It was exactly what the term genocide defines. We need to say it loudly: Moscow committed genocide on the Crimean Tatars in 1944. This process continued until the end of the USSR, and even after the fall of the empire and the return of the indigenous people to their homeland. Local authorities and pro-Russian forces in Kyiv actively hindered the restoration of the presence of Crimean Tatars in Crimea. The Crimean Tatars and their representative bodies, the Mejlis and the Qurultay, made their historical choice to support a pro-European and pro-Ukrainian future for Ukrainian statehood in the late 1980s and have essentially never deviated from this course. They believed and believed that only in this way could they ensure the revival of their people on their ancestral land.

In the 2000s, a new historical period of flourishing seemed to begin for the Crimean Tatars. Culture, media, art, and much more were developing. It appeared that the Crimean Tatars were given a second chance for historical and, most importantly, political revival. However, Russian imperialism never sleeps and was preparing an act of aggression against Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars. The annexation and occupation of Crimea again placed the Crimean Tatars on the brink of survival. They forced the political leadership and active and talented youth to leave the peninsula because Moscow and the occupying authorities initiated mass persecution of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars for their refusal to accept the new /old occupying power. Since 2014, Crimea is the epicenter of human rights violations in occupied Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have again found themselves on the brink of an existential challenge, as they did in the late 18th century when they were under the occupation of the Russian Empire. Let me just focus on one case. Server Mustafayev was born in 1986 in Uzbekistan. The family later returned to Crimea, specifically to the city of Bakhchisarai. Server finished school in Bakhchisarai and then enrolled in the Bakhchisarai Construction College at the National Agrarian University. He studied at Kyiv National University, specializing in heat and gas supply and ventilation. Afterward, he worked as a manager in communication shops. In 2014 he started to manage a chain of bakeries. He was also active in the community in Bakhchisarai, organizing children’s parties and social events and helping low-income families. He became the coordinator of the public association "Crimean Solidarity”.In May 2018, the occupation authorities searched Mustafayev’s house and arrested the activist. Subsequently, the occupation authorities illegally sentenced him to 14 years in prison for participating in the “activities of a terrorist organization” and “preparing for the violent seizure of power.” The occupiers convicted Server Mustafayev for defending victims of political persecution and reporting on human rights violations in the occupied Crimea. Despite the harsh conditions of his imprisonment, Server remains an activist and is involved in human rights activitie.: Server helped his cellmate reunite with his child, who was taken from him when he was taken to prison. Due to a long stay in the pre-trial detention center, Mustafayev developed heart problems. A similar fate is shared by more than 200 political prisoners from occupied, majority of of whom are Crimean Tatars.

Since February 2022, with the beginning of full-scale aggression against Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars have supported the Ukrainian people in their struggle against the Russian aggressor. The mass emigration of Crimean Tatars from Crimea in the autumn of 2022 to many EU countries and Turkey should be seen as a systemic refusal to serve in the occupying forces and shoot civilians. Some Crimean Tatars remain living in Crimea, where they have been deprived of cultural, political, and historical rights, while others are scattered like beads around the world. The Kremlin effectively favours the soft migration of Crimean Tatars beyond the borders of the Russian Federation and Crimea. The situation in other occupied territories in the Donbas and Zaporizhia region demonstrates that the underlying scheme is chauvinism, characterised by genocide and the destruction of everything non-Russian and dissenting.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/opinion/russia-repeats-genocide-on-crimean-tatars/

GiqueCee

(3,273 posts)
2. I know this is...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:13 PM
Tuesday

... insignificant when compared to the horrors enveloping the planet right now, but can someone please explain why some journalists think that transliteration from the Cyrillic alphabet to our own alphabet requires two y's at the end of Zelensky's name? I cannot make sense of it.

unc70

(6,492 posts)
5. yy is the preferred transliteration
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:24 PM
Tuesday

In Ukrainian, it is spelled Зеленський. The preferred transliteration is Zelenskyy. That spelling is used in his passport and on his official website.

GiqueCee

(3,273 posts)
10. Thank you!
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 03:16 PM
Tuesday

Now it makes a little more sense. We have some pretty strange spellings of our own.

Bayard

(28,318 posts)
6. If Zelensky says its workable,
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 01:24 PM
Tuesday

That means Russia is not getting any land. He was very clear about that. Its what the whole war is about.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
8. I read this sentence as leaving that on the table:
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:03 PM
Tuesday
He cautioned, however, that some key issues — notably what happens to Ukrainian territory occupied by Russian forces — remain unresolved.


They may not formally cede the occupied territory but regaining it through combat is increasingly unrealistic. They may have to let it go through some fiction short of cession.

I don't see them giving up all of Donetsk/Luhansk.

CanonRay

(15,901 posts)
11. Nothing short of total subjugation will satisfy Putin.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 03:20 PM
Tuesday

It's all just spitting into the wind.

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