Trump executive order will attempt to end birthright citizenship
Source: Washington Post
The U.S. government will no longer recognize the citizenship of children born in the United States to immigrants who lack legal status, one of 10 immigration-related executive orders President-elect Donald Trump plans to sign Monday, an incoming administration official told reporters.
The incoming official did not provide details on how the administration planned to implement a change that scholars say would be illegal. Trump’s order would reinterpret the words “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which grants citizenship to all people born on U.S. soil, and redefine the phrase to exclude babies born to parents illegally in the country.
Trump will issue other executive orders that will ramp up deportations, restart border wall construction and send U.S. troops to patrol the 2,000-mile boundary with Mexico, said the incoming official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the incoming administration for a call with reporters.
After Trump is inaugurated, he plans to declare a national emergency at the southern border. Trump will then issue orders to restart the “Remain in Mexico” policy of his first term, designate drug cartels and gangs as foreign terrorist organizations and suspend refugee resettlement in the United States for at least four months, officials said, reading a list of Inauguration Day actions and orders.
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underpants
(189,891 posts)Fla Dem
(26,482 posts)https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/birthright-citizenship
Miguelito Loveless
(4,901 posts)and the SCOTUS will back him.
Lonestarblue
(12,538 posts)Of course, this is the same court that purposely prevented a trial for Trump and gave him almost total immunity to do anything he wants. And given Alito’s 15th century reasoning on the Dobbs ruling, I’m sure he can find some obscure quote to justify denying birthright citizenship.
Though I’m not a lawyer, it would seem that saying undocumented parents who are in the US but are not subject to US jurisdiction are essentially not bound by any of our laws, including laws against illegal entry. Feels like a catch 22 argument!
Miguelito Loveless
(4,901 posts)their ruling will defy logic.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,901 posts)on citizenship, he can still deport anyone he chooses, regardless of citizenship, since the very same SCOTUS declared all of his "official acts" beyond the law.
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reACTIONary
(6,377 posts)... Native Americans under the jurisdiction of their tribe. That verbiage was made obsolete afterwards by explicitly granting citizenship to native Americans. (I can't remember how that was done.)
All people within the territorial boundaries of the United States, citizens or not, are subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
VMA131Marine
(4,941 posts)Foreign diplomats and the soldiers of foreign armies.
We actually do have foreign soldiers on US soil typically here to train at US facilities but I think the original wording relates more to the soldiers of invading armies which I don’t think has been an issue since WWII when there were Japanese soldiers on US territories like Wake Island and Guam..
thesquanderer
(12,559 posts)... and just because the court ruled on this in 1898, that doesn't mean today's court can't upend it. See Roe vs. Wade.
jgmiller
(536 posts)I really don't know how even Alito and Thomas could figure out a way to declare that born doesn't mean born.
thesquanderer
(12,559 posts)It doesn't say born here OR subject to the jurisdiction, it says born here AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof. IOW, they have to meet both qualifications, not just one of them. Ignoring that additional qualifier is kind of like the second amendment folk quoting only "shall not be infringed" but leaving out the part about it being based on the need for a well regulated militia.
That said, I admit, it's still a weak argument, even if you start to quibble about the exact definition of subject to jurisdiction. But who knows what this court will do...
For some more context: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5040111-trump-proposal-birthright-citizenship/
jgmiller
(536 posts)I know it says AND I just mistyped, you are right of course it matters a lot. The and IMHO actually gives more credance to the validity.
VMA131Marine
(4,941 posts)because they’ve snuck over the border are subject to U.S. jurisdiction. And people who come in one temporary protected status, or requesting asylum, or on some kind of limited duration visa is also subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
It also seems to me that the last thing you want to do is say that these kinds of people are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction because then they cannot be held accountable for breaking laws and you can’t make them pay income taxes either.
Eugene
(64,350 posts)status. The alt-right Claremont Institute is driving this bus.
They insist US v Wong King Ark (1898) was wrongly decided,
and that the Supreme Court should interpret "subject to the jurisdiction
thereof" as excluding the children of foreign nationals who are
not legal permanent residents.
Liz Dye explains some of the thought process here.
Bluethroughu
(7,098 posts)angrychair
(10,517 posts)That's not how that works. It's a constitutional right.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,901 posts)the Citizen's United ruling. This was affirmed in the Snyder ruling in 2024, which legalized bribery of public officials as long as the payment was called a "gratuity" and was made AFTER the official act.
Autumn
(47,673 posts)lapfog_1
(30,791 posts)and ship them all to South Africa.
Elon is an illegal immigrant, overstayed his student visa... and his children are now no longer citizens of the USA. Kick all of them out.
Easterncedar
(4,228 posts)Renting property in Florida to women from Russia who wanted to give their children US citizenship. Sorry I don’t have a citation today. Not looking right now.
jls4561
(2,198 posts)ScratchCat
(2,649 posts)Or otherwise Trump wouldn't be POTUS right now, he wouldn't have been allowed to run for President and would likely be in prison right now.
Polybius
(19,710 posts)This has long been argued by the fringe Right.
alwaysinasnit
(5,378 posts)argument is that they are not subject to the laws and jurisdiction of the US. And if you go up far enough up their family trees, I'm sure you could find at least one or more undocumented ancestors.
FakeNoose
(37,112 posts)In fact the undocumented immigrants and their "anchor babies" have been abusing our Constitutional privileges for a long time. If it weren't for the last 70 or 80 years of government failures to control the border problems, we wouldn't be where we are today. No previous administration wants to admit that they added to the problems but they all have - Dems and Repukes alike.
What we really need to do is call a certain year as "Year Zero" and issue every undocumented person who is here in Year Zero a proof of citizenship (or greencard) and a social security number. If we do that, then as of Year Zero + One there will be no more undocumented persons within our borders. Once we've taken that step, going forward everyone should have proof of ID and citizenship. If they don't have any, they're breaking the law and they get detained and prosecuted, perhaps even deported.
I'm thinking it will come down to an ID chip inserted into each person's arm or something. We're still a long way from that happening though. We can't even get people to wear masks or get vaccinated to save their own lives.
alwaysinasnit
(5,378 posts)After the first World Trade bombing in the early '90s, Congress passed a series of punitive bills aimed at immigrants. (Mid 1990s)
Prior to the mid 1990s, (undocumented, mostly from Mexico) seasonal workers would come to the US and return to Mexico after the growing season was over, and return the next year. While here, those workers would send money back home to support their families. The 1990s punitive laws had the effect of making the annual migrations exponentially more difficult, with the addition of criminal liability. The net effect was that many of these workers now stayed year-round and eventually brought their families here. As their families expanded, the number of so-called anchor babies increased. The pejorative term "anchor babies" came from the fact that these children, once they turned 21, could petition the government for legal status for their undocumented parents. However, what many people don't realize is that, because the parents entered the US without inspection and accumulated more than 1 year of non-permitted presence, the parents were statutorily barred for 10 years from receiving immigration benefits. They must first leave the US and stay out for 10 years before that can be considered "admissible" to receive benefits. So, while the term "anchor babies" may make initial sense, the reality for so many undocumented parents is much more complicated.
MacKasey
(1,348 posts)andym
(5,931 posts)Of course he will attempt to do anything he wants, with no concern for the Constitution. "It's good to be king" as Mel Brooks said.
Historic NY
(38,798 posts)"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
If People go look at your family history. I'll bet you many Italian, German, Irish and other grandparents or great grandparent that never were naturalized! Look for the A-2 files or US census filed
Between 1850 - 1950 US Census had either naturalized or not, date of arrival place of birth etc.
Naturalization is the voluntary legal process by which a foreign-born person becomes a citizen of the United States.
https://historyhub.history.gov/genealogy/census-records/b/census-blog/posts/census-records-may-help-locate-immigration-and-naturalization-records
https://www.archives.gov/research/immigration/alien-registration-ar-2
bromeando
(104 posts)Felon trump could apply his order to everyone. Does anyone still have their ancestors' immigration/citizenship papers.
LeftInTX
(32,761 posts)alarimer
(17,104 posts)That's a Constitutional Amendment and would require another one to undo.
moonshinegnomie
(3,283 posts)banning guns in their state
jgmiller
(536 posts)Which is really funny because I would guess this means the mother's become like diplomats and have immunity? This is really going to be hysterical to hear the SCOTUS arguments.