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BumRushDaShow

(142,967 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:22 AM Oct 13

Christians flock to Washington to pray for America to turn to God -- by electing Trump

Source: NBC News

Oct. 12, 2024, 4:32 PM EDT


Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America’s atonement and for Donald Trump’s return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed “A Million Women,” described the gathering — and next month’s presidential election — as “a last stand moment” to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

“If we don’t stand now,” said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red “Make America Great Again” hat, “then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that’s the end.”

Lou Engle, the self-described prophet who organized the event, said God told him in a dream to call on a million women to march on Washington in order to restore God’s dominion over the nation. Engle is a leader in the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement of charismatic Christians who for years have portrayed U.S. politics as a spiritual clash between good and evil and Trump as a flawed leader anointed by God to redeem the nation.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/christians-swarm-washington-pray-america-turn-god-electing-trump-rcna175162

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Christians flock to Washington to pray for America to turn to God -- by electing Trump (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 13 OP
Christian Conservatives, Looking to Mobilize Women, Turn to a Biblical Queen. elleng Oct 13 #1
When "Christians" invoke the Old Testament... dchill Oct 13 #2
Amen. BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #47
"It's almost as if the Bible was written by racist, sexist, homophobic, violent, sexually frustrated men, OMGWTF Oct 13 #65
I like how you put the quotation marks. These people are not "Christians". overleft Oct 13 #89
Pretty sure I've only read about... dchill Oct 13 #104
There are those who quietly try and live decent lives as taught in Matthew 5-7. There are. PatrickforB Oct 13 #112
Well, you know who the ones making all the noise are. dchill Oct 13 #114
Lost sheep EndlessWire Oct 13 #60
they know nothing of jesus, they are not really even xtians by their own standards n msongs Oct 13 #3
Goes to show that their so called "religion" is nothing but a farce. trusty elf Oct 13 #4
What a totally bizarre graphic!!! 70sEraVet Oct 13 #20
I love it! Mossfern Oct 13 #97
:) Solly Mack Oct 13 #36
Evacuate Wash DC on Sunday as if Hurricane Milton was approaching. C0RI0LANUS Oct 13 #5
Interesting quotes from the article Cirsium Oct 13 #62
Agree. For the MAGA un-elite, all they have is "whiteness." Same with these schmucks. C0RI0LANUS Oct 14 #125
And I Thought All Of The Traffic on I-95 Deep State Witch Oct 13 #68
Good one! C0RI0LANUS Oct 14 #124
These are the people The Unmitigated Gall Oct 13 #6
While blaming the rest of us for that destruction. OldBaldy1701E Oct 13 #7
FEMA reeducation camps. (NT) The Wizard Oct 13 #81
Tax them! NT BidenRocks Oct 13 #93
Yup. BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #44
Exactly. Check this out MomInTheCrowd Oct 13 #79
The most important... littlemissmartypants Oct 13 #8
The New Apostolic Reformation wants to use the federal government to control all aspects of our lives. Lonestarblue Oct 13 #19
They are not. They are not a monolith or an organization. Have you read... littlemissmartypants Oct 13 #55
Christians? I don't think so.... the_sly_pig Oct 13 #9
They also have very little to do with trump birdographer Oct 13 #33
As Cheryl Wheeler said: DENVERPOPS Oct 13 #58
I don't even call them that . I call them Vogon_Glory Oct 13 #113
They gather to bow down to the most UNCHRISTIAN human EVER. AZ8theist Oct 13 #10
..I'm a better Xian.. thomski64 Oct 13 #29
Not that they have read it but kacekwl Oct 13 #42
I think it says something about a supposed "Anti Christ" as well.... AZ8theist Oct 13 #75
Trump is their fucking Golden Calf BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #46
Kooks wolfie001 Oct 13 #11
They claim to be the self "chosen few." Vote Blue. Onthefly Oct 13 #12
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 Betty Boom Oct 13 #13
Double cultists. SamKnause Oct 13 #14
In its more authoritarian forms, nwduke Oct 13 #15
I've always said... GiqueCee Oct 13 #21
Faith is a fundamental tenet of Christiantity Metaphorical Oct 13 #37
Nice gathering of con artists, liars, adulterers, child abusers, rapists, and thieves dalton99a Oct 13 #16
Two thousand years The Unmitigated Gall Oct 13 #17
As God as my witness, I'll never pass up a chance to repost this: JHB Oct 13 #54
JHC these folks are as un-Christian as anyone could ever imagine. For an orange idol. Evolve Dammit Oct 13 #18
Its a little too late to save these folks from brainwashing..... 70sEraVet Oct 13 #22
These folks have a warped view of Christianity. Snarkoleptic Oct 13 #23
I find these people to be literally insane. mwb970 Oct 13 #24
Talk about Irony Deficient. WOW 😳! n/t aggiesal Oct 13 #25
These idiots disgrace the word Christians. Ferrets are Cool Oct 13 #26
Apocalypticism--the religious belief that the end of the world is imminent, even during one's lifetime, Timeflyer Oct 13 #27
It just gives them one more thing to fear. COL Mustard Oct 13 #35
Jesus likely would not support Trickle Down Economics. Kid Berwyn Oct 13 #28
I find it funny they think they need to travel to pray. Gore1FL Oct 13 #30
And just a few blocks away was... reACTIONary Oct 13 #31
These people are potentially dangerous if Trump loses. JohnnyRingo Oct 13 #32
I wondered why all the traffic downtown... COL Mustard Oct 13 #34
These Bible thumpers ChazInAz Oct 13 #38
It is crazy, but you know what's missing? oldmanlynn Oct 13 #39
The Good Germans ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #117
So, explain how electing someone who rejects the Christian gospel and is as evil as anyone in the country lees1975 Oct 13 #40
Coming soon to America - "Sharia Law" BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #41
These people "identify" as Christians but are ignorant of both the theology harumph Oct 13 #43
nothing new The Wizard Oct 13 #45
These are sick people who give Christianity a bad name kimbutgar Oct 13 #48
Seriously ...tens of thousands? I will wait to see what the Ntl park service count is PortTack Oct 13 #49
self hating women 4catsmom Oct 13 #50
They're lazy women Dem4life1234 Oct 13 #92
Thank GOD Im atheist!!! samnsara Oct 13 #51
Thank Zeus too, just in case! GreenWave Oct 13 #98
Thank Buddha, too! n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #118
...not to mention heckles65 Oct 13 #52
Well, Moses did have a stutter. Mossfern Oct 13 #100
That Don't Make No Sense....O Brother Where Art Thou IA8IT Oct 13 #53
Still they cry "Give us Barabbas. Give us Barabbas." nt Cognitive_Resonance Oct 13 #56
The sigh of the oppressed - TBF Oct 13 #57
How does tens of thousands sum up to a million woman march? Baitball Blogger Oct 13 #59
Atonement.............they prayed for atonement...........I thought they were not suppose to worship turbinetree Oct 13 #61
Isn't that closer to voting for Satan???????? Vinca Oct 13 #63
Dear Jesus, please protect me from your followers. OMGWTF Oct 13 #64
Some people are smarter than most. twodogsbarking Oct 13 #66
Meanwhile Deep State Witch Oct 13 #67
I'm with Governor Tim Walz on this one. love_katz Oct 13 #69
380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers accused of sexual misconduct FightFight Oct 13 #70
The 3 Cs of sexual abuse: Cops, Clergy & Coaches n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #119
Ah yes, pray that the living embodiment of the Seven Deadly Sins wins the election sakabatou Oct 13 #71
so called "christians" barbtries Oct 13 #72
They don't speak for all Christians. As God told the prophet Elijah... Dem4life1970 Oct 13 #73
Same ones the state of Oklahoma just ordered for their schools to use. JFC, it's hard to believe this shit is real. OMGWTF Oct 13 #74
Where's a major meteor strike when you really need one ? nt eppur_se_muova Oct 13 #76
And Christians (thank goodness not all of them by a long shot), think that tRUMP has been Annointed SWBTATTReg Oct 13 #77
Who would Jesus grab by the pussy? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 13 #78
So a man organized a march for "A Million Women" in Washington so they can go pray for their own servitude. camartinwv Oct 13 #80
Just proves ramedy Oct 13 #82
Misnamed. Actual name: Servants of Judas RobertDevereaux Oct 13 #83
I'm not sure what evangelicals are but it's leftyladyfrommo Oct 13 #84
Those people are not Christians. Alliepoo Oct 13 #85
Fuck those assholes. Autumn Oct 13 #86
This is not and never was about Christianity lonely bird Oct 13 #87
Many of us have definitely turned to God thanks to Trump. As in, "Jesus Christ, what now? " Hekate Oct 13 #88
Are you bdamomma Oct 13 #90
"God told me in a dream" is Republicanese for: DFW Oct 13 #91
Trump etc have these folks so wound up... BadGimp Oct 13 #94
The forces of darkness already bit them in the ass. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 13 #95
Nothing that I can say Progressive dog Oct 13 #96
stop calling them Christiasns 4catsmom Oct 13 #99
Never understood Christians making deals with the Devil. surfered Oct 13 #101
I knew it all along. AnnaLee Oct 13 #102
The klan was considered a christen organization Keepthesoulalive Oct 13 #103
And they wonder why no one takes them seriously. Ruby the Liberal Oct 13 #105
"Beware of false prophets..." - Mathew, 7:15 Grins Oct 13 #106
So let me get this straight... HeartsCanHope Oct 13 #107
Witch trials orangecrush Oct 13 #108
You cannot be a Christian and a Trump supporter nakocal Oct 13 #109
Jesus would kick Trump in his tiny balls. Oliver Bolliver Butt Oct 13 #110
It's depressing to live in a country with so many stupid people. Turbineguy Oct 13 #111
Some convoluted non-logic involved for someone to say 'God wants you to vote for Trump!' Aussie105 Oct 13 #115
They believe they are persecuted when they are prevented from imposing their own narrow minded ignorance Martin Eden Oct 13 #116
Tell them "You have not been persecuted, you have been prevented from persecuting." ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #120
Jesus wasn't too fond of the money changers in the temple Martin Eden Oct 13 #121
all the dumbest and most demented Christians who make a mockery of the religion and our constitution LymphocyteLover Oct 14 #122
No ck4829 Oct 14 #123
Not actual Christian's. American CRinos. bullimiami Oct 14 #126
Tens of thousands is not "A Million Women" n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 14 #127

elleng

(136,386 posts)
1. Christian Conservatives, Looking to Mobilize Women, Turn to a Biblical Queen.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:28 AM
Oct 13

Alarmed by abortion and transgender rights, Christian activists are invoking the Old Testament story of Esther, the Jewish orphan who bravely saved her people.

'The biblical story of Esther, the Jewish orphan who became queen and bravely saved her people, has been a potent symbol for women and girls, a call to lead a life of courage, sacrifice and purpose.

Sojourner Truth invoked Esther as she fought for women’s rights and civil rights. Hillary Clinton, when running for president in 2008, named Esther’s story as a favorite. And prominent Black pastors have used her story to galvanize support for Vice President Kamala Harris as she seeks the White House.

On Saturday at the National Mall in Washington, the queen’s story is being marshaled once again, this time by a group of conservative and largely charismatic Christians, who drew hundreds of followers to “A Million Women: an Esther Call to the Mall.” . .

“We just believe that there’s a crisis,” said Laura Zavala Allred, an organizer of the event. God, she said, has called modern-day Esthers “for such a time as this,” referencing the story’s most well-known phrase.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/2024-election-conservative-christian-women.html

dchill

(40,545 posts)
2. When "Christians" invoke the Old Testament...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:40 AM
Oct 13

...it shows that they're picking and choosing. One from Column A, one from Column B - a la carte religious dominion. The Bible is a dangerous work of hysterical fiction - especially the Old Testament.

OMGWTF

(4,450 posts)
65. "It's almost as if the Bible was written by racist, sexist, homophobic, violent, sexually frustrated men,
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 12:31 PM
Oct 13

instead of a loving God. Weird." -- Ricky Gervais

overleft

(393 posts)
89. I like how you put the quotation marks. These people are not "Christians".
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:50 PM
Oct 13

They are just misinformed religious zealots promoting bigotry and hate. The deity they are worshiping is no Jesus. The one they worship is the total opposite of Jesus.

dchill

(40,545 posts)
104. Pretty sure I've only read about...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:26 PM
Oct 13

Christians who wouldn't require quote marks. Never actually met any.

PatrickforB

(15,114 posts)
112. There are those who quietly try and live decent lives as taught in Matthew 5-7. There are.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:31 PM
Oct 13

See, here's the thing -

There are 'me' centered people who have difficulty thinking beyond their own earthly fears and attachments. These people generally must learn through fate.

Then there are people who lift their eyes and see the needs and suffering of others and try to bring a balance.

They are out there. Most don't make a big thing of it, though. The bible repeatedly tells us to set an example so that others see and may be drawn from rage, pride and so on to higher realms of consciousness, such as love, peace, joy and light.

Warm regards!

EndlessWire

(7,265 posts)
60. Lost sheep
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:17 AM
Oct 13

Donald knows he's lost the race for women's votes. He failed with bragging about causing women to lose abortion rights. We won't vote for him because of that. So, he declares himself the "protector of women." We won't fall for that. Now his followers are out there on "A Million Women" rally. Which is it, "Tens of thousands" or "hundreds"? Well, we don't care, still not gonna vote for him.

He's vile. He should have tried to hang on to that trophy wife, who's long gone in the wind. Sane women don't want him.

Cirsium

(894 posts)
62. Interesting quotes from the article
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:53 AM
Oct 13
Some arrive in Kansas City driven by the need for acceptance, said a former IHOPU faculty member. “People have self-esteem needs, and the way they meet them is by attaching themselves to delusions of grandeur.” In this case, he said, they have the idea that “we are the people who are restoring the understanding of Christianity, we are the people who have the greater amount of revelation, we know what God is doing, what is about to come, and the rest of the church has to catch up with us.”


“For me,” said Beachey, “this kid who grew up in the Midwest who never had any significance, I had this storyline that gave my life an epic significance.”


I think that is the same allure that the MAGA phenomenon has for people.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,540 posts)
125. Agree. For the MAGA un-elite, all they have is "whiteness." Same with these schmucks.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:17 PM
Oct 14


Trump will restore white superiority for those racists who think the color of their skin gives them privilege over people of color who have been "stealing" their jobs, women, status, etc.

These "Christians" are the same. The "godless communists" are undermining the USA; Mexican and Haitian migrants (who are mostly Catholic) are eating dogs and killing white women. They listen to the hate messaging and "follow the leader."

Trump is the "Messiah" and avatar for these two WASP groups like the "No Nothing Party" from the 19th century. Keep America white and Christian because that's all they have in their insignificant lives.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,414 posts)
7. While blaming the rest of us for that destruction.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:36 AM
Oct 13

They are beyond help.

We really need to decide what we need to do with these lunatics who are using religion to shield their true racist and classist agenda.

littlemissmartypants

(25,622 posts)
8. The most important...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:41 AM
Oct 13

Part of this article it's this, imo.

Matthew Taylor, a senior scholar at the nonprofit Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Maryland, said those comments are representative of a dangerous and increasingly widespread embrace of apocalyptic political messaging on the Christian right.Taylor, who attended the march Saturday as part of his research, has spent years studying the New Apostolic Reformation and its unwavering support for Trump. He documented in his book, “The Violent Take It by Force,” how false claims about widespread election fraud by Engle and other Christian nationalist leaders helped fuel the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.Taylor said he worries that the dire messaging — and the portrayal of Trump as God’s chosen candidate to defeat evil Democrats — could set the stage for more violence.“This is about activating the most ardent Christian supporters of Donald Trump, putting them into an apocalyptic mindset that says this election is do or die for America,” Taylor said. “The danger is that these folks can easily be converted over into Capitol rioters if the right circumstances come about and if their leaders give them that guidance.”


If you want to know who's really doing the so-called lord's work, it's this guy.

I've posted about him before. We need more of him.

Thanks, BRDS. ❤️


Lonestarblue

(11,856 posts)
19. The New Apostolic Reformation wants to use the federal government to control all aspects of our lives.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 06:50 AM
Oct 13

They are a dangerous, and well-funded, organization with the goal if turning the US into an extremist theocracy where only heterosexual white men have rights and control government, education, courts, the law—everything, including medical care and personal beliefs.

littlemissmartypants

(25,622 posts)
55. They are not. They are not a monolith or an organization. Have you read...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:43 AM
Oct 13

Scholar Dr. Matthew D. Taylor's book?

The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement that is Threatening Our Democracy (Broadleaf, 2024)

"Required reading for anyone seeking to understand Christian nationalism." ―Kristin Kobes Du Mez, author of Jesus and John Wayne

A propulsive account of the network of charismatic Christians that consolidated support for Donald Trump and is reshaping religion and politics in the US.

Over the last decade, the Religious Right has evolved. Some of the more extreme beliefs of American evangelicalism have begun to take hold in the mainstream. Scholar Matthew D. Taylor pulls back the curtain on a little-known movement of evangelical Christians who see themselves waging spiritual battles on a massive scale. Known as the New Apostolic Reformation, this network of leaders and believers emerged only three decades ago but now yields colossal influence, galvanizing support for Trump and far-right leaders around the world. In this groundbreaking account, Taylor explores the New Apostolic Reformation from its inception in the work of a Fuller Seminary professor, to its immense networks of apostles and prophets, to its role in the January 6 riot. Charismatic faith provided righteous fuel to the fire that day, where symbols of spiritual warfare blazed: rioters blew shofars, worship music blared, and people knelt in prayer. This vision of charismatic Christianity now animates millions, lured by Spirit-filled revival and visions of Christian supremacy.

Taylor's unprecedented access to the movement's leaders, archives, internal conference calls, and correspondence gives us an insider account of the connection between charismatic evangelicalism and hard-right rhetoric. Taylor delves into prophetic memes like the Seven Mountains Mandate, the Appeal to Heaven flag, and the Cyrus Anointing; Trump's spiritual advisor Paula White's call for "angelic reinforcements"; and Sean Feucht and Bethel Music's titanic command of worship styles across America. Throughout, Taylor maps a movement of magnetic leaders and their uncompromising beliefs--and where it might be headed next. When people long to conquer a nation for God, democracy can be brought to the brink.

About Professor Taylor:
Matthew D. Taylor is a senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Baltimore, where he specializes in Evangelical and Pentecostal movements, religious politics in the US, Muslim-Christian dialogue, and American Islam. He holds a PhD in Religious Studies from Georgetown University and an MA in Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. His first book, Scripture People: Salafi Muslims in Evangelical Christians’ America (Cambridge University Press, 2023), offers an introduction to the oft-misunderstood Salafi movement in the U.S. by way of comparison with American Evangelicalism. Taylor's second book, The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement that is Threatening Our Democracy (Broadleaf, 2024) tracks the growth of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement and shows how the NAR leaders became the vanguard of Christian supporters of Donald Trump, even playing a direct role in the January 6 Capitol Riot.

https://www.amazon.com/Violent-Take-Force-Christian-Threatening/dp/1506497780/ref=mp_s_a_1_1



For reference
The title's origin:

◄ Matthew 11:12 ►
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.

New Living Translation
And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people are attacking it.

English Standard Version
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.

Berean Standard Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subject to violence, and the violent lay claim to it.

Berean Literal Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of the heavens is taken by violence and the violent seize it.

King James Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

New King James Version
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

New American Standard Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has been treated violently, and violent men take it by force.

NASB 1995
“From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.

NASB 1977
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.

Legacy Standard Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.

Amplified Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violent assault, and violent men seize it by force [as a precious prize].

Christian Standard Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been suffering violence, and the violent have been seizing it by force.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been suffering violence, and the violent have been seizing it by force.

American Standard Version
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and men of violence take it by force.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“From the days of Yohannan The Baptizer until this hour the Kingdom of Heaven is led by force and the violent are seizing it.”

Contemporary English Version
From the time of John the Baptist until now, violent people have been trying to take over the kingdom of heaven by force.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent bear it away.

English Revised Version
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and men of violence take it by force.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
From the time of John the Baptizer until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful people have been seizing it.

Good News Translation
From the time John preached his message until this very day the Kingdom of heaven has suffered violent attacks, and violent men try to seize it.

International Standard Version
"From the days of John the Baptist until the present, the kingdom from heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people have been attacking it,

Literal Standard Version
And from the days of John the Immerser until now, the kingdom of the heavens suffers violence, and violent men seize it by force,

Majority Standard Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subject to violence, and the violent lay claim to it.

New American Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent are taking it by force.

NET Bible
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and forceful people lay hold of it.

New Revised Standard Version
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.

New Heart English Bible
And from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

Webster's Bible Translation
And from the days of John the Baptist, until now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Weymouth New Testament
But from the time of John the Baptist till now, the Kingdom of the Heavens has been suffering violent assault, and the violent have been seizing it by force.

World English Bible
From the days of John the Baptizer until now, the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

Young's Literal Translation
'And, from the days of John the Baptist till now, the reign of the heavens doth suffer violence, and violent men do take it by force,

Additional Translations ...snip...https://biblehub.com/matthew/11-12.htm



What does Matthew 11:12 mean?
Not all phrases are easy to translate into other languages. This verse represents a difficult concept to understand, and commentators offer several possible explanations of what Jesus meant. He has just said that John is the greatest person ever born, but that the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is (Matthew 11:11).

The key phrase here, in the original Greek, is hē basileia tōn ouranōn biazetai, kai biastai harpazousin autēn. Most English translations follow the pattern of the ESV: "the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force." Other translations, such as the NLT, render this as "the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people are attacking it." The NASB adds some subtlety by noting, in footnotes, that these phrases can also be translated "is forcibly entered," and "seize it for themselves," respectively.

Jesus' reference to the days of John the Baptist likely means the time of John's ministry before he was imprisoned (Matthew 4:12). "Now," in this context, would then mean that moment in Jesus' ministry of introducing the kingdom of heaven.

The most direct meaning of these words seems to be that when Jesus began His public ministry, the kingdom of heaven was beginning on earth in the form of Jesus and His followers. But great opposition has risen up against heaven's kingdom in the form of men like Herod—who imprisoned John the Baptist—and the Jewish religious leaders.

Another possible meaning is that Jesus is speaking about the perversion of truth committed by His critics and opponents. In other words, a right understanding of the kingdom had been attacked. People had the wrong idea about what the kingdom of heaven really was. That's why John the Baptist asked if Jesus was really the Messiah. In that sense, then, Jesus would be saying that violent men are insisting the kingdom must be a political kingdom that begins by overthrowing the Romans. Jesus did not come to earth to do that.

https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/11/Matthew-11-12.html


Another assessment:


Essay
The Framing of a Movement: Defining the New Apostolic Reformation

Evan P. Pietsch, R. Vivian Pietsch
Tuesday, May 21st 2024

As we seek in this essay to define the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and the extent of its influence, we must first emphasize that the movement isn’t a denomination or federation or even a parachurch organization. You will never drive by a sign that reads, New Apostolic Reformational Church of Snoqualmie Falls. This invisibility is a large part of its threat. But in this essay, we will not focus on critique but definition. It is vital to define this movement because it is a theologically troubling system of functional norms, beliefs, and leadership networks that over the past few decades has made significant inroads into many evangelical churches in the United States and abroad. We hope that defining the movement’s characteristic features will help both church leaders and members to recognize the threat and guard against it.

https://www.modernreformation.org/resources/essays/the-framing-of-a-movement-defining-the-new-apostolic-reformation

the_sly_pig

(748 posts)
9. Christians? I don't think so....
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:50 AM
Oct 13

I've taken to call these types "religious". I don't discriminate. The people involved in this story have nothing to do with Christianity.

birdographer

(2,527 posts)
33. They also have very little to do with trump
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:52 AM
Oct 13

He's just their figurehead, if he died ( ) they would just pick someone else to put in his place. This also has very little to do with their God (the other one). This has to do with them wanting to control the country the way they see fit.

DENVERPOPS

(10,012 posts)
58. As Cheryl Wheeler said:
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:15 AM
Oct 13

"I have no problem with you doing whatever your Imaginary Companion tells YOU to do,....... BUT if your Imaginary Companion starts trying to tell ME what to do, then we're gonna have a problem".........

**************************************

Interesting they call it a MILLION, when it was only tens of thousands.......a page out of Trump's crowd estimates.

We should call for a true Multi MILLION woman march on D.C. and at every State Capitol across the nation.......
(And make it All Women, so the MAGA COPS won't turn on them for being "unruly and violent"...... And that way if they try to implant male agitators to make it look like the demonstrators are violent, it will back fire......

Vogon_Glory

(9,583 posts)
113. I don't even call them that . I call them
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:47 PM
Oct 13

Sectarians. It’s not like they’re ecumenical or even practicing Christians.

AZ8theist

(6,527 posts)
75. I think it says something about a supposed "Anti Christ" as well....
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:33 PM
Oct 13

Amazing these idiots can't see Dotard as the anti Christ. He fits the description.

Harris is talking about issues to help Americans. Sorta what Jesus talked about, no?

How do these so-called "evangelicals" not recognise that?? I guess abortion and hording money is more important than what their book tells them to do......

wolfie001

(3,729 posts)
11. Kooks
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 05:05 AM
Oct 13

Following an ancient screed written by ignorant jackasses.

P.S.: don't mean to offend but I'm just tired of this over and over BS.

nwduke

(368 posts)
15. In its more authoritarian forms,
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 05:44 AM
Oct 13

religion punishes questioning and rewards gullibility. Faith is not a function of stupidity, but a frequent cause of it! Mark Twain: “Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool!”

GiqueCee

(1,369 posts)
21. I've always said...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:38 AM
Oct 13

... that religion began when the sleaziest weasel in the cave said to the biggest bully in the cave, "You be government, and I'll be religion, and we'll have 'em by the short curlies 'til the end of time!"

Metaphorical

(2,329 posts)
37. Faith is a fundamental tenet of Christiantity
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:26 AM
Oct 13

Yet faith is also, nearly by definition, the lack of active questioning of one's beliefs. To have faith means that you have conviction that your beliefs are correct. In some cases, that belief may be warranted - you have gained skills and experiences that let you understand a given domain, and that in turn gives you more confidence in your own abilities. Even in matters theological, there are many well known people that have internally reconciled the contradictions between their beliefs and their experiences. I cannot see gravity, but I can see its effects, and I can create a reasonable world view on the notion that gravity exists (if you had spent your entire life in space, of course, you may have a very different set of experiences).

Yet in most cases (and for most people), you inherit your religious beliefs, although your faith in those beliefs will likely vary considerably over time. For people who don't gain experiences, who stay within their same circles and do not interact with those outside of their belief system, that faith may very well be strong. In Christianity (and to a certain extent in Islam and Judaism), questioning of beliefs becomes a form of test, and if you fail, then you are considered apostate and reviled, because those who control the faith do NOT want people questioning it and finding, not only its inconsistencies, but also the moral value of the beliefs themselves.

What Trump has done is what most charismatic leaders do - he has harnessed the desire to have strong convictions, to have a fundamental sense of certainty, into worship for him. His followers, his disciples, believe that he can do no wrong, and that any slur against him, any stain on his character, is the result not of his own particularly odious behavior but the malicious acts of others. They literally don't see the inherent contraditions between Christianity and Trump, because they have been trained not to think about either, but only to have faith.

I've frequently heard the term disillusionment and think it is especially appropriate here. Disillusionment means that you no longer believe the illusion. It often has a negative connotation because Western culture has its own faith-based mechanisms, and those who promulgate it don't want you to look too closely at the man behind the curtain either. This is one of the reasons why humour, satire, and ridicule are such potent weapons against unwarranted faith - they make you question assumptions, make you look at things from a different context. I've noticed that Trump, for all that he smiles all the time, has no sense of humour. He fears it when applied to himself, which is why when he attacks others with it, its not really funny or insightful, but intended instead to belittle others, because when he's doing that, people are not looking closely at his own motives.



The Unmitigated Gall

(4,558 posts)
17. Two thousand years
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 06:00 AM
Oct 13

Of warning about the Antichrist…

And when he shows up, spreading lies and dividing the people against themselves, they call him their “flawed leader” and fall in line.

No, I don’t believe in the antichrist, but TSF is the embodiment of AN antichrist…a walking, talking profanity.

These POS evangelists want to run our lives but they can’t see evil when it’s staring them in the face.

I will fight these bastards to the day I die, and on that day I hope to take a few with me.

JHB

(37,430 posts)
54. As God as my witness, I'll never pass up a chance to repost this:
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:32 AM
Oct 13






From http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/blog/antichrist/

A little context: the cartoonist, Dave Willis, grew up in a strict conservative evangelical household, and Joyce, the little kid/older kid/young woman in this progression is something of an alter-ego of his about how that bubble bursts for some people, and of some of the hypocrisies that manifest in the people for whom it doesn't burst.

mwb970

(11,711 posts)
24. I find these people to be literally insane.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:10 AM
Oct 13

This is what religion does to people. It will be the death of us all.

Timeflyer

(2,668 posts)
27. Apocalypticism--the religious belief that the end of the world is imminent, even during one's lifetime,
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:14 AM
Oct 13

is a powerful manipulation to energize cults. If it's the end of the world as we know it, I feel fine because electricity is back in Sarasota--thanks, science.

COL Mustard

(6,915 posts)
35. It just gives them one more thing to fear.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:55 AM
Oct 13

Fox and the other right wing outlets, and Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson/Oral Roberts etc. etc. etc. are all just about fear-mongering.

Kid Berwyn

(18,094 posts)
28. Jesus likely would not support Trickle Down Economics.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:16 AM
Oct 13

Nor attacking women, strangers, children and the weak for political gain.

I know he would oppose war, especially war without end.

Gore1FL

(21,931 posts)
30. I find it funny they think they need to travel to pray.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:27 AM
Oct 13

They haven't really given this whole "all knowing" and "all powerful" stuff a ot of thought.

JohnnyRingo

(19,339 posts)
32. These people are potentially dangerous if Trump loses.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:50 AM
Oct 13

They seem to believe they were sent by God to swing the election away from the forces of evil.
Someone like that will resort to unreasonable measures.

And these are just the ones who were able to travel to the march.

COL Mustard

(6,915 posts)
34. I wondered why all the traffic downtown...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:53 AM
Oct 13

Took my son to Union Station mid-day yesterday and there were lines of people, and lots of road closures. I didn't know what was going on but I guess this was it.

Oh well. Me and my Harris-Walz bumper sticker wouldn't have been welcome there anyway.

ChazInAz

(2,787 posts)
38. These Bible thumpers
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:31 AM
Oct 13

Need to read what Jesus said to his followers when they asked him about the End Times.
I doubt if they're aware of it.

oldmanlynn

(451 posts)
39. It is crazy, but you know what's missing?
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:38 AM
Oct 13

What’s missing are the good Christians that know that those people are representing bad Christian nationalism and they’re not going out there and doing anything about it. So the ones who are quiet but disagree with Christian nationalism are just as guilty and are going along with it.

lees1975

(6,012 posts)
40. So, explain how electing someone who rejects the Christian gospel and is as evil as anyone in the country
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:38 AM
Oct 13

will bring this revival about?

What we have here is a phony cult.

harumph

(2,340 posts)
43. These people "identify" as Christians but are ignorant of both the theology
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:56 AM
Oct 13

and history. They're like children imagining themselves to be adherents to an idea which they do not understand.
This happens when a religion, a philosophy, an opinion - whatever, is popularized. It bends to the lowest
common denominator. The core ethics are forgotten and that which remains is group identification and
othering of those outside the group. Popular Christianity fosters a group sense of belonging and encourages "personal
revelation." Principles of self sacrifice , humility and caring for the poor were never going to
last in America. I have come to the conclusion that while it's possible to be the adherent of a religion, and
accept the stories/mythology as a teaching metaphor, the tendency of not-so-smart people is to accept it as
ontologically (real). Once they accept this absurd first proposition (there is a sky daddy that watches over and loves them), they are primed to accept increasingly ridiculous ones.

kimbutgar

(23,396 posts)
48. These are sick people who give Christianity a bad name
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:15 AM
Oct 13

To worship such an evil man is blasphemy. There is nothing about the orange turd that comes anywhere near the teachings of Jesus.

When they die and are greeted by the orange devil in hell they will pay for their stupidity.

heckles65

(604 posts)
52. ...not to mention
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:24 AM
Oct 13

"God pours His Will into flawed vessels" is such retro-fitted theology, and not something that you heard often, if at all, ten years ago. The overwhelming impression one gets from the Psalms and other sections is that evil people are just evil people and avoid avoid.

Mossfern

(3,202 posts)
100. Well, Moses did have a stutter.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:07 PM
Oct 13
Commentary on Parashat Vaera, Exodus 6:2 - 9:35

Parashat Vaera continues the conversation between God and Moses following Moses’ first encounter with Pharaoh. God persists in his alternately tender and impatient wooing of the reluctant emissary, while Moses insists that he is unfit for the task. As before, Moses’ feelings of inadequacy center on his difficulty with speech, now captured, ironically, by his poetic lament: “I am uncircumcised of lips” (Exodus 6:12).


https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/lost-in-translation/

TBF

(34,428 posts)
57. The sigh of the oppressed -
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:53 AM
Oct 13

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

I've been very focused on the upcoming election and what will happen to women if we lose. I have not reached back into theory at all lately, but it's there for those who are interested. For some thoughts on how religion is used as a tool by capitalism - see Marx's Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right. If you search in google you can find the text free, definitely food for thought.

turbinetree

(25,338 posts)
61. Atonement.............they prayed for atonement...........I thought they were not suppose to worship
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:17 AM
Oct 13

for false prophets............maybe they should go back and reread that book of stories again..................JFC...............reminds me of a song................



Jethro Tull - Hymn 43
Lyrics
Our Father high in heaven
Smile down upon your son
Who's busy with his money games
Or his women and his gun
Oh, Jesus save me
And the unsung western hero
He killed an Indian or three
And then he made his name in Hollywood
To set the white man free
Oh, Jesus save me
If Jesus saves, well, he better save himself
From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death, aw!
Oh, Jesus save me
If Jesus saves, well, he better save himself
From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death
Oh, Jesus save me
Well, I saw him in the city
And on the mountains of the moon, hey
His cross was rather bloody, oh
And he could hardly roll his stone
Oh, Jesus save me

Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Ian Scott Anderson

twodogsbarking

(12,230 posts)
66. Some people are smarter than most.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 12:32 PM
Oct 13

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

love_katz

(2,830 posts)
69. I'm with Governor Tim Walz on this one.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 12:56 PM
Oct 13

They need to mind their own damn business and keep it to themselves.

A huge NO Thank You. In fact, oh HELL No!!!

FightFight

(127 posts)
70. 380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers accused of sexual misconduct
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:06 PM
Oct 13

Since 1998, about 380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers have faced allegations of sexual misconduct, according to a sweeping investigation by two Texas newspapers.

The Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News also found that in the past 20 years, more than 700 victims have been abused, with some urged to have abortions and forgive their abusers.

The newspapers said their investigation included “examining federal and state court databases, prison records and official documents from more than 20 states and by searching sex offender registries nationwide.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/us/southern-baptist-abuse/index.html

sakabatou

(43,125 posts)
71. Ah yes, pray that the living embodiment of the Seven Deadly Sins wins the election
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:13 PM
Oct 13

How very Christian of them

barbtries

(29,867 posts)
72. so called "christians"
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:24 PM
Oct 13
“If we don’t stand now,” said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red “Make America Great Again” hat, “then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that’s the end.”


no, you xenophobic, nationalistic bigot! Americans who don't agree with your politics will take over, and THAT will be the beginning of a better democracy, a better country for everyone.

take your fake religiosity and go stand on the fringe where you belong.

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Dem4life1970

(465 posts)
73. They don't speak for all Christians. As God told the prophet Elijah...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:28 PM
Oct 13

Last edited Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

...there are 7,000 of us who have not read the Trump "Bible" (not the borrowed, unread, one that he held upside down in front of St. John's Church, but the ones he is hawking for $60 a pop-and if he wins the price will go up as he has them made in China and he will put tariffs on China).

OMGWTF

(4,450 posts)
74. Same ones the state of Oklahoma just ordered for their schools to use. JFC, it's hard to believe this shit is real.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:31 PM
Oct 13

SWBTATTReg

(24,190 posts)
77. And Christians (thank goodness not all of them by a long shot), think that tRUMP has been Annointed
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:37 PM
Oct 13

when in fact, the only thing he's been Annointed to is a jail cell.

No wonder some Christians wonder why their numbers keep dropping. When so many of these so-called Christians are misled (despite the message from God and Jesus to avoid these fake prophets and proclaimers), people lose their faith in these so called Churches of faith, being such that they truly aren't centers of biblical learning.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,382 posts)
84. I'm not sure what evangelicals are but it's
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:18 PM
Oct 13

not Christian. I wish they would come up with a better name for themselves. Like the anti Christians.

lonely bird

(1,907 posts)
87. This is not and never was about Christianity
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:34 PM
Oct 13

This is about power.

Who holds power. Who will be below those who hold power.

The shifting of demographics combined with the rise of fanaticism here and elsewhere is too much for the brain of far too many people. Whether it is fear of real or imagined status, fear of the shuddering of capitalism, fear of “the other” is not irrelevant but it is important to understand that those who are afraid very likely cannot be convinced of anything but their fear and hope of retribution.

They. Are. Dangerous.

Hekate

(94,881 posts)
88. Many of us have definitely turned to God thanks to Trump. As in, "Jesus Christ, what now? "
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:43 PM
Oct 13

“Oh, God, did you see what he just did? “
“Great God Almighty — how can he be ripping little children from their parent’s arms at the border? “
“Jesus Christ! How in hell can he get away with that? “

And my favorite: “God damn him to Hell. “

Just as there are no atheists in a foxhole…

bdamomma

(66,552 posts)
90. Are you
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:56 PM
Oct 13

fucking kidding me???? too much religion makes people stupid.

I have one wish for their sick felon..............I'll keep it to myself.

DFW

(56,679 posts)
91. "God told me in a dream" is Republicanese for:
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:57 PM
Oct 13

"I will get a lot of money if I can talk a lot of you into this hogwash, so please believe me."

BadGimp

(4,063 posts)
94. Trump etc have these folks so wound up...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:37 PM
Oct 13

I confess to having a lot of anxiety about the upcoming elections, but I'm not even remotely at this level:

"Freitag refused to contemplate what would happen if Trump loses to Vice President Kamala Harris: “I don’t even want to go there,” she said.

From the One Million Women march of yesterday:

Sandi Woskie, another member of the Minnesota contingent, overheard the comment. She leaned in and said: “Think Armageddon.”

“That’s right,” Freitag said. “If we don’t turn this nation back to the Lord, we’re on a fast slide into the abyss with no return.”"

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,688 posts)
95. The forces of darkness already bit them in the ass.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:44 PM
Oct 13

Which is why they're rabidly cheering for a Fascist to be Dictator of a multicultural America

Progressive dog

(7,244 posts)
96. Nothing that I can say
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:51 PM
Oct 13

Their cult even has it's it's own prophet who apparently believes that god sent Trump to save us, but not while we're alive.

4catsmom

(241 posts)
99. stop calling them Christiasns
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:03 PM
Oct 13

call them "Christian Nationalists" or "Christian Terrorists" because just "Christian"" implies benevolence.

Keepthesoulalive

(649 posts)
103. The klan was considered a christen organization
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:24 PM
Oct 13

George Washington did not like to go to Massachusetts because of the puritans, Catholics the inquisition and their support for Hitler and the crusades. Religion has always been a hustle occasionally some good comes from it. The man from Galilee would not know them.

Grins

(7,906 posts)
106. "Beware of false prophets..." - Mathew, 7:15
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 04:59 PM
Oct 13

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves!” - Matthew 7:15.

Lookin’ at you, Grace Lin!

HeartsCanHope

(746 posts)
107. So let me get this straight...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 13

First your group steals another religion's holy books, (the old testament,) by incorporating their books into your "bible". Then you say that the new testament, your new and "improved" holy book, supersedes their holy texts, but you pick and choose which parts of their holy books fit your agenda and say that is good--the word of God. Then all through history you seek to annihilate this religious group because you can blame them for whatever you choose to suit your agenda. Millions of their people are killed over the years as scapegoats for whatever reason. Then many, many years later, on the holiest of their holidays, (Yom Kippur, the day of Atonement October 12, 2024), you decide to steal one of their beloved heroes to shore up your depraved, vile, self-proclaimed orange Messiah. You know, the guy that has railed against this particular religion to the point that many people are afraid that they will be targeted.
Maybe this is giving the evangelicals too much credit, but I find the date of this march truly evil--co-opting this group's holiest of holidays, Yom Kippur. I also find the hero they have chosen, a woman, to be not only ironic, but upsetting. The evangelical religion has targeted women forever, but now when it suits their purpose, they hold up this woman who saved the very people their orange Messiah has railed against! I probably sound a little unhinged, but having grown up in an evangelical family and having listened to their targeted sermons over the years for whatever disturbed reasoning they concoct, (the LGBTQ community, different ethnic groups, different religions, etc.)--I wouldn't put anything past them. They are trying to find groups to use as a scapegoats to draw attention from Trump's crimes. They don't care who gets hurt as long they achieve their own agenda--"christian" nationalism.
To the members of the Jewish religion on this board, I am so sorry. If there is ever anything I can do to help any of you, please let me know. Please stay safe. You are in my thoughts.

Turbineguy

(38,413 posts)
111. It's depressing to live in a country with so many stupid people.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 06:50 PM
Oct 13

I wonder if the Romans felt this way as their empire was collapsing.

Aussie105

(6,319 posts)
115. Some convoluted non-logic involved for someone to say 'God wants you to vote for Trump!'
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:00 PM
Oct 13

Personally, I'd like God or Jesus to front up to MSM cameras and say that out loud.

As far as I know, the abstract concept that some call God has a strictly 'hands off' policy when it comes to human affairs.

Martin Eden

(13,514 posts)
116. They believe they are persecuted when they are prevented from imposing their own narrow minded ignorance
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:03 PM
Oct 13

On everyone else.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
120. Tell them "You have not been persecuted, you have been prevented from persecuting."
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:36 PM
Oct 13

Or ask them Who Would Jesus Persecute?

Martin Eden

(13,514 posts)
121. Jesus wasn't too fond of the money changers in the temple
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:53 PM
Oct 13

Which pretty much describes the rightwing evangelical industry.

ck4829

(36,005 posts)
123. No
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:07 AM
Oct 14

A Christian nation would not have absurd medical bills.

Jesus healed people for free.

Weird how evangelical Christians don't care about that though.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,690 posts)
127. Tens of thousands is not "A Million Women" n/t
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:11 PM
Oct 14

"Lou Engle, the self-described prophet who organized the event, said God told him in a dream to call on a million women to march on Washington in order to restore God’s dominion over the nation. Engle is a leader in the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement of charismatic Christians who for years have portrayed U.S. politics as a spiritual clash between good and evil and Trump as a flawed leader anointed by God to redeem the nation."

Most Christians, thankfully, are not like this self-appointed "prophet".

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