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JohnSJ

(96,522 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 08:11 AM Sep 29

Israel says it killed 20 senior Hezbollah figures alongside group's leader Nasrallah

Source: BBC

"Israel says 20 other senior Hezbollah figures killed in attack on Nasrallah
published at 13:40 British Summer Time
13:40 BST
Breaking
Israel says it killed 20 other Hezbollah leaders of varying ranks when they killed Hassan Nasrallah at the group's headquarters on Friday.

As we've reported, the names include Ali Karaki, leader of its southern front.

The IDF also says it killed Ibrahim Hussein Jazini, head of Nasrallah's security unit, and Samir Tawfiq Dib, who the IDF describes as "Nasrallah's long-time confidant and adviser".

The military adds that Hezbollah's headquarters were embedded beneath several civilian buildings.

Summary
Israel says it has carried out a new strike on Dahieh, Hezbollah's stronghold in southern Beirut

It comes a day after Israel announced that it killed the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, in the same part of the city

Hezbollah now says another commander was killed in the same strikes - Ali Karaki, leader of its southern front

And the IDF says that, in total, it killed 20 Hezbollah figures alongside Nasrallah in Friday's attack on the group's underground headquarters

On Sunday morning, Israel said it hit "dozens" more Hezbollah targets overnight; Lebanese media said at least 15 people were killed

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

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dutch777

(3,456 posts)
1. While this no doubt disrupts Hezbollah planning and immediate operations, near and long term the threat remains
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 09:13 AM
Sep 29

These decapitation missions while maybe giving Bibi a "win" at home are short lived victories. When they killed Hamas' leader a few months ago they simply elevated an even more militant and evil functionary in Sinwar as a replacement. These terrorist organizations don't spend months mourning, soul searching and going through some democratic process that brings a halt to everything until a new leader can be found and then months more having them form a government like a country might. The pager and walkie talkie bombings were brilliant but now they have put every terrorist group anywhere onto physical runner or other face to face communication. While they can monitor electronic communications and glean active and real time intelligence from it, they lose that when bad guys go analog. Makes real time command and control for the bad guys slower, but doesn't significantly degrade their ability to do harm.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
3. Their ability to do harm is severely degraded.
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 10:38 AM
Sep 29

Sinwar is stuck in a rat hole somewhere and only able to communicate with messengers. That takes a lot of time and the message can get confused. It is good to kill these leaders because all they can think of is trying to stay alive and hidden instead of making elaborate plans like the Oct. 7 attacks.

JohnSJ

(96,522 posts)
5. It seems so. They first destroy their intercommunication system, then go after their leadership.. I suspect they had
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 10:49 AM
Sep 29

intelligence inside Lebanon to facilitate this.


orangecrush

(21,784 posts)
8. As long as the situation exists
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 03:21 AM
Sep 30

That creates terrorists, nothing changes.

There will just be more taking their place.

Engaging in genocide has never ended well for those who attempt it.

Beastly Boy

(11,136 posts)
9. This situation doesn't create terrorists. It eliminates terrorists.
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 06:46 AM
Sep 30

What creates terrorists is the never-ending indoctrination of succeeding generations and teaching them no paid skills other than martyrdom.

And the former includes misappropriating terms like "genocide" in furtherance of their indoctrination.

orangecrush

(21,784 posts)
11. ...
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 01:48 PM
Sep 30

So the only answer to violence is more violence until everyone is dead.

Then we'll have peace!

Yay!

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Beastly Boy

(11,136 posts)
12. No, the answer is to not remain blind to the fundamental causes of violence.
Tue Oct 1, 2024, 10:48 AM
Oct 1

Not the only answer, but a good start.

maxsolomon

(35,036 posts)
10. What's you're timeline for the "short-lived" aspect?
Mon Sep 30, 2024, 11:50 AM
Sep 30

how long till Hezbollah reconstitutes itself to the force it was on 10/7?2 months? 2 years? 2 decades?

their ability to attack Israel must be significantly impacted; their missile factory in Syria is gone, its staff killed. After 12 months of firing at Israel and IAF targeting of launch sites, they have to be running low on supply.

dutch777

(3,456 posts)
14. As terrorists they can keep Israel off balance by small attacks now. Coordination for larger operations could take...
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 09:04 PM
Oct 2

...a year or more. They supposedly had up to 150,000 rockets capable of reaching Israel a year ago. They haven't really fired that many in the last year but no way to know how many Israeli strikes have destroyed. While the IDF, with our significant help, has been able to limit number of rockets getting through that is only because despite total units available, Iran etc. have been firing relatively small salvos with just a couple in range of 100 to 300 rockets/drones at a time at most. Based on data I have seen the IDF, even with US destroyers off shore helping, could theoretically have its air defenses overwhelmed if Iran and proxies could closely coordinate timing of a barrage of 1000 or more rockets, drones etc. (Supposedly the IDF has only 6 Iron Dome systems with 20 total missiles each and the two US destroyers only have 96 anti air missiles each AND supposedly cannot be rearmed at sea. IDF has other systems but still has a finite limit of how many simultaneous incoming targets it can handle). I keep wondering given all the hatred and vitriol why that is the case. Only things that come to mind is 1) Iran etc. can't coordinate that well in best of times; 2) they don't have than many launchers and/or trained crews or 3) despite the vitriol they don't want to escalate that much and get smacked real hard by Israel and look weak or some combination of all of the above.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,322 posts)
2. This has to be badly damaging Hizbollah's ability to wage war on Israel,
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 09:14 AM
Sep 29

there is no better way to disrupt and degrade an enemies Command and Control and render it unable to carry out coordinated attacks by attacking and eliminating the leadership.

Good job Israel.

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