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BumRushDaShow

(169,736 posts)
Tue May 28, 2024, 11:37 AM May 2024

Mar-a-Lago judge scolds Jack Smith and swiftly shuts down his Trump gag demand, warns of sanctions

Last edited Tue May 28, 2024, 12:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Law & Crime

May 28th, 2024, 11:44 am


The judge in the Mar-a-Lago case moved quickly to dispose of special counsel Jack Smith’s gag order request the morning after former President Donald Trump’s lawyers supported sanctions for prosecutors over their decision to count a holiday weekend email thread as “meaningful conferral.”

Just hours earlier, Law&Crime reported that Trump lawyers on Memorial Day demanded that U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon take the prosecution to task for their filing at the end of last week looking to stop Trump from putting law enforcement in “foreseeable danger” with falsehoods about the Mar-a-Lago raid — particularly, statements on Truth Social claiming that the feds were authorized to assassinate Trump.

The judge did, in fact, take Smith’s team to task. While Cannon’s order on Tuesday technically amounted to a draw, since the judge denied both motions without prejudice (meaning they may be brought again), she scolded Smith’s team in no uncertain terms for poor lawyering.

“ (T)he Court finds the Special Counsel’s pro forma ‘conferral’ to be wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy,” Cannon wrote. “It should go without saying that meaningful conferral is not a perfunctory exercise. Sufficient time needs to be afforded to permit reasonable evaluation of the requested relief by opposing counsel and to allow for adequate follow-up discussion as necessary about the specific factual and legal basis underlying the motion.”

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-cannon-swiftly-shuts-down-jack-smiths-trump-gag-order-request-for-lack-substance-and-courtesy/



CNN taking too long to update and other M$M are following the current trial.

Full new headline: ‘Wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy’: Mar-a-Lago judge scolds Jack Smith and swiftly shuts down his Trump gag demand, warns of sanctions

Original article/headline/source -

Judge Cannon rejects request for gag order against Donald Trump in classified docs case

Published 11:24 AM EDT, Tue May 28, 2024


CNN — Federal Judge Aileen Cannon on Tuesday rejected special counsel Jack Smith’s request for a gag order against Donald Trump in the classified documents case, saying that prosecutors’ request was “wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy.”

This story is breaking and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/trump-gag-order-cannon-classified-documents/index.html
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Mar-a-Lago judge scolds Jack Smith and swiftly shuts down his Trump gag demand, warns of sanctions (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2024 OP
Quelle surprise. Ocelot II May 2024 #1
It is a surprise. I have never known Smith to make a discourteous or unprofessional filing Bernardo de La Paz May 2024 #3
It certainly isn't a surprise that she denied the motion. Ocelot II May 2024 #7
What I saw... 2naSalit May 2024 #19
She's begging to be removed from this case... SKKY May 2024 #2
She can recuse herself at any instant. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2024 #4
You're correct. I should have put "removed" rather than recused... SKKY May 2024 #11
If she recuses herself, TFG will attack her. If she is forced off, TFG will call her a hero. n/t thesquanderer May 2024 #12
If she recuses she doesn't get what Trump has promised her. Irish_Dem May 2024 #22
Wholly lacking in substance? She should talk to Miss Ruby & Shaye catrose May 2024 #5
Because Smith didn't confer with TSF's counsel - seriously? Are prosecutors required to consult with defense counsel iluvtennis May 2024 #6
At least it was denied without prejudice, so they can bring it up again. Ocelot II May 2024 #8
Correct. Which is why the posts assuming he can immediately go the 11th Circuit are mistaken. onenote May 2024 #37
He did reach out to them, they refused to confer.... getagrip_already May 2024 #10
This sounds super important. Defense is showing a callous and reckless disregard for the lives of FBI officers. GreenWave May 2024 #26
Under the rules of the Southern District of Florida, conferral is required. onenote May 2024 #36
Thanks for this post. n/t iluvtennis May 2024 #41
It'll be appealed, and then it's "Strike three, you're out!" for Cannon. TheRickles May 2024 #9
"professional courtesy" is a legal requirement?? n/t thesquanderer May 2024 #13
This Is Nothing But... GB_RN May 2024 #14
She is itching for a fight so Trump can get in front of micraphons, whine, snivel, and fund raise Attilatheblond May 2024 #20
If you are correct, Cannon is a bit more clever than we thought. Irish_Dem May 2024 #23
She probably has lots of helpers invisible to the people GreenWave May 2024 #27
I believe you are right. pfitz59 May 2024 #30
At least she has the sense to take their advice. Irish_Dem May 2024 #33
She just looks for ways to further delay the trial. Note that the delays are always in trump's favor. brush May 2024 #32
Yes and she has been doing an excellent stalling job for her cult leader. Irish_Dem May 2024 #34
Sounds about right........................ Lovie777 May 2024 #29
Okay... 2naSalit May 2024 #15
Sounds to me like Donnie can prevent the gag order by simply refusing to confer on the matter unblock May 2024 #16
Wrong. onenote May 2024 #38
Trump puts law enforcement in danger but Smith gets scolded by the judge. Irish_Dem May 2024 #17
Honestly, I'm surprised she didn't schedule a hearing on this matter. Probably next February. Midnight Writer May 2024 #18
I'm not surprised. Hell she can wait as long as she wants for a reason to set a hearing up. bluestarone May 2024 #40
And the little puppet judge is doing her puppet dance for her master as he republianmushroom May 2024 #21
This just takes the cake! slightlv May 2024 #24
Filing in DC was not an option, gab13by13 May 2024 #28
Why was their a DC jury? liberalmediaaddict May 2024 #39
Two different crimes, two different jurisdictions NanaCat May 2024 #44
There is plenty... cactusfractal May 2024 #25
She sure was expeditious about ruling on THIS motion. alwaysinasnit May 2024 #31
Would you have preferred that she sat on it and then denied it without prejudice? onenote May 2024 #42
Not at all. I am only commenting on Loose Cannon's prediliction for lollygagging on making rulings alwaysinasnit May 2024 #43
It wasn't a "gag demand." Novara May 2024 #35

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
3. It is a surprise. I have never known Smith to make a discourteous or unprofessional filing
Tue May 28, 2024, 11:45 AM
May 2024

Plus ... legal commentary seemed to indicate Smith would have an opening to appeal to 11th circuit and they slapped her down twice already. Possibly I'm confused (wouldn't be the first time) and it might relate to another Smith filing in this case.

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
19. What I saw...
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:39 PM
May 2024

On MSNBC analysis was that Smith was requesting further restrictions be applied to the terms of release which means the terms under which his is out on bail not the gag order itself. That's how I understood it but I may not have that right.

SKKY

(12,801 posts)
2. She's begging to be removed from this case...
Tue May 28, 2024, 11:45 AM
May 2024

...there is no way she is this bad at her job.

SKKY

(12,801 posts)
11. You're correct. I should have put "removed" rather than recused...
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:12 PM
May 2024

....I've edited it for clarity.

thesquanderer

(13,005 posts)
12. If she recuses herself, TFG will attack her. If she is forced off, TFG will call her a hero. n/t
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:18 PM
May 2024

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
6. Because Smith didn't confer with TSF's counsel - seriously? Are prosecutors required to consult with defense counsel
Tue May 28, 2024, 11:47 AM
May 2024

before submitting a motion? This doesn't make sense. Fingers crossed that Jack Smith's team appeals this to the 11th circuit.

Katie Phang@KatiePhang
ICYMI: Judge Cannon has DENIED, without prejudice, Special Counsel Jack Smith's Motion to Modify Trump's bond conditions because...Smith didn't "meaningfully confer" with Trump's counsel before filing the motion.




onenote

(46,139 posts)
37. Correct. Which is why the posts assuming he can immediately go the 11th Circuit are mistaken.
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:00 PM
May 2024

You can't get an interlocutory appeal of a denial of a pre-trial motion without prejudice.

GreenWave

(12,640 posts)
26. This sounds super important. Defense is showing a callous and reckless disregard for the lives of FBI officers.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:10 PM
May 2024

They simply want more blabbing delays while officers are at risk.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
36. Under the rules of the Southern District of Florida, conferral is required.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:59 PM
May 2024

You may not think it makes sense, but it is a long-standing rule. One that the prosecution undoubtedly knows about, having previously been criticized by this judge for not complying.

Rule 88.9, Rules of the Southern District of Florida:

"... at the time of filing motions in criminal cases, counsel for the moving party shall file with the Clerk of the Court a statement certifying either: (1) that counsel have conferred in a good faith effort to resolve the issues raised in the motion and have been unable to do so; or (2) that counsel for the moving party has made reasonable effort (which shall be identified with specificity in the statement) to confer with the opposing party but has been unable to do so. This requirement to confer shall not apply to ex parte filings.

GB_RN

(3,558 posts)
14. This Is Nothing But...
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:26 PM
May 2024

More delay and stonewalling of the case by “Judge” Loose Cannon.

IANAL, so take this for what it’s worth, but I suspect that by making the denial “without prejudice” she short circuited Smith’s ability to successfully appeal it at this time. I think that leaving the door open to refile after he corrects (in her head) whatever deficiencies there were in the original application for the gag. So, Smith then has to play along and waste time before repeating this nonsense and then being able to go to the 11th with an appeal.

Any DU legal experts feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken. I’m simply looking at this from a strategic standpoint.

Attilatheblond

(8,876 posts)
20. She is itching for a fight so Trump can get in front of micraphons, whine, snivel, and fund raise
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:39 PM
May 2024

The 11th should slap her down HARD. Are there ways she could be punished for her obvious bias?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
32. She just looks for ways to further delay the trial. Note that the delays are always in trump's favor.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:31 PM
May 2024

Lovie777

(22,970 posts)
29. Sounds about right........................
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:24 PM
May 2024

another delay.............................

But again, she is also wasting points in the end because we all know shithole can't keep his mouth shut and will repeat those threats against law enforcement which will make her look even worse, if that's possible.

unblock

(56,198 posts)
16. Sounds to me like Donnie can prevent the gag order by simply refusing to confer on the matter
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:38 PM
May 2024

I'm no judge, but seems to me a more effective process would be to order Donnie's team to respond to the motion.

Of course, my goal is justice; not sure that aligns with Aileen's goals....

onenote

(46,139 posts)
38. Wrong.
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:03 PM
May 2024

The issue here is that the government didn't make a serious effort to confer. The defense offered to confer on Monday, and given that the court was unlikely to do anything before the Memorial Day holiday, refusing to wait and have the discussion the defense offered to have was a self-inflicted mistake by the prosecution.

Midnight Writer

(25,409 posts)
18. Honestly, I'm surprised she didn't schedule a hearing on this matter. Probably next February.
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:38 PM
May 2024

If she needs input from the defense team, why doesn't she just ask them? She is the Judge, after all.

bluestarone

(22,174 posts)
40. I'm not surprised. Hell she can wait as long as she wants for a reason to set a hearing up.
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:52 PM
May 2024

As soo as they agree to Confer, THAT'S when she will set a hearing for like say March.

republianmushroom

(22,323 posts)
21. And the little puppet judge is doing her puppet dance for her master as he
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:40 PM
May 2024

pulls her dancing strings.

slightlv

(7,789 posts)
24. This just takes the cake!
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:45 PM
May 2024

Gods, I wish he'd take it to the full circuit. Stop this playing around with her. This should have been the first case adjudication because of its national security implications. And I still think he should have filed it in DC... but IANAL.

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
28. Filing in DC was not an option,
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:22 PM
May 2024

the serious crimes were committed in Florida. Some of the crimes TSF committed in DC were while he was still president which means he appeals for immunity, etc.

TSF would not have been charged under the espionage act had the trial been held in DC.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
39. Why was their a DC jury?
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:49 PM
May 2024

The SC office had a DC jury looking at the case. And then suddenly Trump was indicted by a jury in Florida.

If the crime was solely committed in Florida why did Smith even bother with DC?

My wild guess is he was rea
dy to file the case in DC but was worried any verdict would get overturned for "charging the defendant in the wrong jurisdiction."

Personally I think the SC shouldn't have bothered filing in Florida if they knew their was even a 10% chance they'd get a Trump appointed judge like Cannon.

They could have focused on Bedminster NJ instead. Since Trump moved classified documents their.

Cannon is never going to allow this case to go to trial. She's basically working for the defense team.

Smith should stop wasting time and resources battling this corrupt and incompetent MAGA judge. Focus on the January 6th case. Cannon's only goal is to delay and to make the prosecution team look illegitimate to the public. She's succeeding on both counts.



 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
44. Two different crimes, two different jurisdictions
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:24 PM
May 2024

When he took the documents that he wasn't supposed to have, that was in DC; ergo, everything related to the actual taking of the documents is in that court system.

When he refused to return the documents he had taken and the government had to seize them, that was in FL; ergo, everything related to keeping the docs illegally is in the FL court.

You charge where the crimes occur, and must go through those jurisdictions to adjudicate it, like it or not.

alwaysinasnit

(5,624 posts)
43. Not at all. I am only commenting on Loose Cannon's prediliction for lollygagging on making rulings
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:06 PM
May 2024

on the motions before her, I suspect for the purposes of helping tfg to delay the case as much as possible.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
35. It wasn't a "gag demand."
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:43 PM
May 2024

See also: https://joycevance.substack.com/p/the-week-ahead-366

There are at least two reasons Judge Cannon should grant Smith’s motion. Trump’s conduct is a threat to the safety of law enforcement and also to the integrity of the case—his conduct could prejudice potential jurors or frighten witnesses off of testifying truthfully. Smith reminded Judge Cannon that previously, she “underscored” the court’s “independent obligation to protect the integrity of this judicial proceeding.” Adding new conditions to a bond that a defendant has to abide by if he wants to remain free pending trial is common when problems arise. The statute that governs this type of situation, is 18 U.S.C. § 3142(c)(1)(B)(xiv), authorizes judges to impose conditions on a defendant in order to assure the safety of other people and the community.

Why did Smith go this route instead of asking for a gag order? That’s a great question, and I think it suggests where Smith is headed. 18 U.S.C. § 3731 is the statute that governs appeals that are taken by the United States (rather than by a defendant). It specifically authorizes the government to appeal if a district judge denies a motion to modify the conditions of release.


But:

Trump’s lawyers objected to the motion being filed ahead of the holiday weekend. Smith explained in a footnote: “The Government has contacted counsel for defendant Trump, who stated that they object to the Motion and the timing of the conferral on a holiday weekend; it is their position that the Government has not provided an opportunity for meaningful conferral. They do not believe that there is any imminent danger, and asked to meet and confer next Monday. However, within just the last few hours, Trump has continued to issue false statements smearing and endangering the agents who executed the search. See https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump (‘reTruthing” statement claiming that the FBI was authorized to use “‘Lethal Force’ on Trump or anyone at MAL – WHILE the FBI/DOJ plants evidence to frame Trump!!!’).”


So they actually made an attempt to confer with the defense and were rebuffed. But Smith went ahead and filed anyway, because he felt there was danger in waiting any longer.

A lot of the legal experts are saying she is entirely acting within her authority to require them to confer before re-filing, which, I assume is exactly what will happen here.

This is not yet a recusal action, sad to say. But they are piling up.
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