Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago

[demmiblue]

Source: NYT

A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

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[NewHendoLib]

1. Reminds of another time a clear warning was ignored

[angryxyouth]

5. Ding Ding Ding

As you can see by the number of posts that I have since 2005, I almost never post, and that’s because I was terrified to see one of my posts turn up on right wing web site. So maybe just this one time.

I’ve been saying this since the first day and it’s something that I think the older members might remember from 911days, LIHOP. (Let it happen on purpose ) back then it referred Cheney. I really hate conspiracy theories. Sometimes that nagging voice just will not go away in the back of your head. Wasn’t Bi Bi was also instrumental in pushing the idea of weapons of mass destruction to get us into Iraq.

[PTL_Mancuso]

30. . . . and remember, the PATRIOT Act had already been formulated.

You don't just crank out a comprehensive major Act of over 300 pages in a week or two!

Many plans were in place and the 9/11-style terrorist attacks were well-anticipated years earlier, though, perhaps not in detail. The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) run by the warmongering-est chicken-hawk neocons were just waiting for the right opportunity to spring their plan on the USA to destroy Iraq (and anyone else who wasn't our friend in the Middle East). Lo and Behold! 9/11!

A tiny snippet from the PNAC Report is quite revelatory about their perceived need to "reform" the USA:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

So, internally and externally, 9/11 summarily plopped a huge number of persistent changes into place, and to direct advantage of certain "regular suspects" kinds of folks who are still with us today (but not Henry the K. )

[whathehell]

6. As much as I criticized Bush

for overlooking the "warning" about 9/11, it was actually far less clear than that received about the Israel massacre..They not only had a detailed plan, an actual rehearsal of it was witnessed.

[paleotn]

10. British attack on the Italian naval base at Taranto. Nov. 1940.

More than a year prior, it was a blue print for Pearl Harbor, and the Japanese had a vastly more capable carrier force than the Brits. Warnings? Surely not.

[Rebl2]

2. Figures.

I don’t know if I ever said I thought Netanyahu probably knew about this all along (on DU), but I did say it to my husband. Sounds familiar doesn’t it.

[brush]

3. It was rumored shortly after the attack that another country in the region...

had warned the Netanyahu government, but not in such detail. The government should of course step down immediately now that this has been confirmed.

Let's see how this is taken by the Israeli public.

[Quixote1818]

7. Yes, Egypt said they warned Netanyahu and he denied

They had.

[paleotn]

11. Once the crises winds down, Netanyahu's government is toast.

As though the Israeli people weren't riled enough at him this summer. It isn't going to be pretty.

[Bettie]

16. The right wing still loves him and his government

I will be shocked if he doesn't continue to run everything.

[EndlessWire]

24. Netanyahu needs to retire.

He's going to be obstructive to the idea of a two state solution. He's right in line with Hamas in that regard, from all I have read. The world needs a new country for Palestine, without Hamas. Maybe ridding the world of Hamas is his only purpose. He could change that and come up a winner, but there's just something about these RW sluggers that makes it improbable.

I just can't wait to see where he tells the Palestinians to go next. Is there anything left in the north, far from Rafah Gate? I am not particularly pro Palestinian, but Biden is correct in his guidance. Netanyahu should heed Biden's warnings about the loss of public opinion.

I think that the breakage of the truce indicates that Hamas intends to fight to the deaths of all of its civilians, but that doesn't mean that Israel has to allow them to dictate the course of the conflict. Still, I think that Netanyahu is doing exactly what he wants. Now, we have to separate the regular Israeli public from Netanyahu's party, the same as we have to do here. Israelis and Palestinians don't ever have to be friends, but they both deserve peace, and cessation of war.

[TheRealNorth]

26. Yup

I would be surprised if anything changes. If all this results in is more West Bank land being stolen from the Palestinians, the Israeli Right will love him for it.

[paleotn]

37. The right wing isn't the majority of Israelis no more than the majority of Americans are magats..

Please stop with the negative waves..

[Bettie]

38. And yet, they hold the majority in

the legislative body and are the only group able to form a government, again and again.

[paleotn]

39. Ugh. Your thinking is frozen in the past. Even the recent past.

Do you think maybe recent events that happened on this government's watch won't affect the status quo?

[Bettie]

40. OK, fine

they'll suddenly elect a bunch of people who are entirely different than their current government, who have been in charge for decades.

Or they won't...I guess we'll have to wait and see. Me? I'm not holding my breath.

Believe it or not, it's OK to have differing opinions.

[IronLionZion]

4. Bibi was quick to call it his 9/11

and the military response was swift and brutal. Hamas and Bibi need each other as bogeymen to remain in power. Israelis and Palestinians need more sensible leaders who will explore peaceful solutions instead of pointing fingers at the other side's violence to justify more violence.

[OldSWODog]

9. leadership in Israel and Gaza

Well said, ILZ. If the only tool in the kit is war, then war is what is used.Yitzhak Rabin was the type of statesman needed in the current insanity. OSD

[NJCher]

8. 300 miles of tunnels

Is not "aspirational."

That should have been known to Mossad and I'm betting it was.

[brush]

12. They didn't think Hamas could pull it off.

Never underestimate your enemy...or maybe a war was desired?

[Orrex]

14. I'm going with that second option

I'm sure that the usual throng of cheerleaders will be quick to scold me and equally quick to demand that I provide ironclad, irrefutable proof that Israel LIHOP, and they'll ask which members of Mossad I've interrogated for this intel.

Blah blah blah

[brush]

15. 12,000 dead Palestinians and counting v 1500 dead Israelis. Who does that benefit?

It sure isn't the Palestinians.

[Orrex]

17. Didn't you hear?

"Hamas killed those Palestinians."

[Beastly Boy]

28. Everybody did. Hamas made no secret of it

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-protect-fighters-%20not-civilians

[brush]

33. I know. It's crazy, and the killing has begun again. Extremist on both sides...the Hamas leader...

saying he will attack again and again. Bibi fighting to prolong the war to stay in power to stay out of jail from his corruption charges, not to mention his government's gigantic intel failure to protect against the Oct. 7 attack...and has the nerve to say he wasn't told that Israel intel had plans of the attack for a year.

No way of course that could happen in any country where the PM or president was not the first one told of such an ominous threat possibility. And neither side working to achieve a cease-fire and negotiations towards a two-state solution.

Oh well, la-de-da, let the killings go on and on forever.

[Dr. Strange]

35. Who did you interrogate?

they'll ask which members of Mossad I've interrogated for this intel.

Did you use enhanced interrogation tactics like reading them the Brazilian joke? Cause that probably violates the Geneva Convention.

I'll come visit you in the Hague, though.

[Old Crank]

13. They shouldn't wait

To sweep Bibi and his party out of office. Get the incompetent people out now.

[mathematic]

18. So we're going to have to deal with brain dead LIHOP conspiracies for half a decade on DU, just like with 9/11

3000 Hamas invaded Israel in the deadliest attack on Jews since the Holocaust. It is not surprising that Israeli officials didn't think Hamas could do this. It is a failure in defensive preparation, not a Jewish conspiracy to manufacture a casus belli.

[angryxyouth]

22. Not a Jewish conspiracy

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Bibi and the crazies, maybe. Btw I am Jewish before anybody thinks I’m anti-somatic.

[coffeenap]

19. Apparently the analyst was a woman

and wasn't taken seriously. Not kidding-that's being reported. Maybe they mansplained.

[moniss]

20. So I guess now that this has come out

the people who have been claiming all Gazans are to blame because they "let Hamas do this and didn't stop them" will now include the Israeli government and possibly top people in the IDF and Mossad. Right? But that will never happen.

[Kennah]

21. Another difference between September 11 and October 7

September 11 was a threat from Afghanistan, and there was a prevailing idea among 'Muricans that said, "They are over there on the other side of the world, so how are they a threat?" Now, some will point out the Red Dawn effect that many 'Muricans have believed for decades that the Soviets could invade and conquer the US. They believed it so much that the movie was remade with North Korea.

You are correct to point this out. It's a dyslexic view because the USSR, and later the Russian Federation, have never had the means to project power anywhere they cannot get to via tank.

Some of you are pointing out that the threat included reports of people already here in the US engaging in activity that coincided with reports. Very true.

Now, the big difference is that the reports for October 7 were about an adversary that is right next door. Not next door in the way that Canada is next door to the US. Next door in the way that DC is next door to Maryland.

I can understand Israel not acting on threats of a land invasion by Iran. But action from Hamas in Gaza should have been treated seriously.

[EndlessWire]

25. Especially since

Hamas has a strong history of repeated attacks.

[JohnSJ]

23. Netanyahu has to go now. They cannot wait for the incapacitation of hamas. Others can take over that

mission, and exercise more compentence.

[Lunabell]

27. What, netenyahu allowing innocent people to die

just so he could bomb Gaza into oblivion? Oh, he's not that evil, riiiiight?

[maxsolomon]

31. Hanlon's Razor.

Netanyahu is a POS but I ascribe this to incompetence more than malice. I don't like LIHOP theories.

[Lunabell]

32. I don't have much faith in his innocence in this matter.

He is just evil enough, in my opinion. Just an opinion.

[brush]

34. Oh yes he is. He's fighting to stay in power to stay out of jail. Israel needs to boot him out Now.

And then proceed with his trial. There are other leaders who can wind up this war.

[twodogsbarking]

29. Truth comes out a little at a time. Peace to all DUers.