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Polybius

(21,900 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:39 PM Oct 2023

Newsom Vetoes Wiener's Magic Mushrooms Bill, Haney's Bill That Would Have Allowed Cannabis Cafes

Source: SFist

Two groundbreaking drug bills from SF's state legislators went to pot on Gavin Newsom’s desk, as he’s vetoed state Senator Scott Wiener’s bill to decriminalize plant-based psychedelics, and Assemblymember Matt Haney’s bill for Amsterdam-style cannabis cafes.

We had high hopes for two historic drug legalization bills from two of SF’s own state legislators. State Senator Scott Wiener’s bill to decriminalize magic mushrooms and other plant-based psychedelics passed both houses of the legislature and went to Governor Gavin Newsom’s desk in September. Same for Assemblymember Matt Haney’s bill to allow Amserdam-style cannabis cafes, which also passed the Assembly and the Senate with high-flying colors, and awaited Newsom’s signature.

But both were buzzkilled by a veto from Governor Newsom. The Chronicle reports that Newsom vetoed the decriminalization of magic mushrooms on Friday afternoon. Though in a statement, Newsom sounded open to the idea if it had stricter regulations in place.

“California should immediately begin work to set up regulated treatment guidelines — replete with dosing information, therapeutic guidelines, rules to prevent against exploitation during guided treatments, and medical clearance of no underlying psychoses,” Newsom’s statement said.

Read more: https://sfist.com/2023/10/09/newsom-vetoes-wieners-magic-mushrooms-bill-haneys-bill-that-would-have-allowed-cannabis-cafes/



What is going on with the CA Legislature? They have gone too far lately.
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Newsom Vetoes Wiener's Magic Mushrooms Bill, Haney's Bill That Would Have Allowed Cannabis Cafes (Original Post) Polybius Oct 2023 OP
I don't see the problem with de-criminalizing psychedelics. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #1
They are dangerous at work or on the road. speak easy Oct 2023 #2
Well, yeah, of course. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #3
So is alcohol. Maraya1969 Oct 2023 #16
+1 orangecrush Oct 2023 #4
Colorado legalized psychedelics angrychair Oct 2023 #5
I get his caution too. Because he could be a 2028 presidential candidate. n/t thesquanderer Oct 2023 #6
No, Our VP will be the 2028 candidate angrychair Oct 2023 #8
Is it that you don't think there will be primaries? Or that you're sure she will win them? n/t thesquanderer Oct 2023 #9
I am sure that if VP Harris runs angrychair Oct 2023 #10
"typically bad form" former9thward Oct 2023 #11
She is the sitting VP angrychair Oct 2023 #12
Not the way it will work. former9thward Oct 2023 #13
Voters should have a choice. No one is entitled to the nomination, it must be earned. jg10003 Oct 2023 #14
So are you saying angrychair Oct 2023 #21
OK, the incumbent POTUS is the exception, but not the Veep. jg10003 Oct 2023 #24
"SHOULD"? Voters don't get a choice? In 1968 & 1980, Dem PRESIDENT was primaried! Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #17
We lost 2000 partially because no one dared to run against Gore (except Bradley, an ex-Senator) Polybius Oct 2023 #18
There are a number of qualified candidates. It'll be an interesting primary. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2023 #20
I think Newsom represents the perfect amount of liberalism Polybius Oct 2023 #7
I still can't believe he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle. Initech Oct 2023 #26
She was a lot more attractive back before the plastic surgery though Polybius Oct 2023 #27
And also criminally insane. Initech Oct 2023 #28
good rockfordfile Oct 2023 #15
kick Omaha Steve Oct 2023 #19
A lot of people are saying he is moving Tree Lady Oct 2023 #22
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #23
with a guy who wants to be president recreational shrooms probably won't happen prodigitalson Oct 2023 #25
They don't have the votes to override? madville Oct 2023 #29

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
1. I don't see the problem with de-criminalizing psychedelics.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:44 PM
Oct 2023

They’re not very dangerous and we don’t need people in jail for tripping on a mushroom. Colorado (or maybe just Denver) decriminalized them and the sky didn’t fall there.

angrychair

(12,281 posts)
5. Colorado legalized psychedelics
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:08 PM
Oct 2023

And cannabis cafes and the world is still spinning. I get Newsom's caution but these it's already out there.

thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
9. Is it that you don't think there will be primaries? Or that you're sure she will win them? n/t
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:38 PM
Oct 2023

angrychair

(12,281 posts)
10. I am sure that if VP Harris runs
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:40 PM
Oct 2023

No Democrat should primary her as that is typically bad form and would cause the person doing the primary to be blackballed.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
11. "typically bad form"
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:01 PM
Oct 2023

Where is that coming from? And where is your claim of "blackballing" coming from? There will be plenty of candidates in 2028.

angrychair

(12,281 posts)
12. She is the sitting VP
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:04 PM
Oct 2023

She should be allowed to run, unopposed, if that is her choice in my opinion.
Just like if Biden had wanted to run in 2016 he should have been allowed to run unopposed.

jg10003

(1,058 posts)
14. Voters should have a choice. No one is entitled to the nomination, it must be earned.
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 02:25 AM
Oct 2023

And the way that it is earned is by getting the most votes.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
17. "SHOULD"? Voters don't get a choice? In 1968 & 1980, Dem PRESIDENT was primaried!
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 06:27 AM
Oct 2023

Know your history!

If a President can be and was primaried, then a VP can be primaried.

In 1968, Johnson was primaried and read the tea leaves and withdrew.

In 1980, Kennedy primaried Carter, weakened him, and Reagan got elected.

In 2000 and 2016, the main Democratic challengers had broad support in the party but lost the election. I don't see Harris sitting on a strong power base. Assuming we win 2024 (Get Out the Vote), she will have four years from now to build a power base. But other challengers such a Newsom have strength too.

VPs are not coronated. VPs are part of a ticket that has to win an election, yes, but they are selected by the nominee, so they are elevated without directly facing voters in a nomination process.

So a VP CHOSEN by a politician for effect in their own election is not an automatic shoo-in as the nominee.

So your "SHOULD" is wishful thinking and a bit anti-democratic.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
18. We lost 2000 partially because no one dared to run against Gore (except Bradley, an ex-Senator)
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 08:32 AM
Oct 2023

If she runs in 2028, there will be primaries, and she will lose to Newsom.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
20. There are a number of qualified candidates. It'll be an interesting primary.
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 10:14 AM
Oct 2023

Right now, my favorites are Newsom and Whitmer.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
7. I think Newsom represents the perfect amount of liberalism
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:18 PM
Oct 2023

The CA Legislature is far-left, and he's just right.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
27. She was a lot more attractive back before the plastic surgery though
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 09:25 PM
Oct 2023

Now she looks awful.

Initech

(108,778 posts)
28. And also criminally insane.
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 09:27 PM
Oct 2023

I guess going down the right wing propaganda wormhole does that to people.

Response to Polybius (Original post)

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
25. with a guy who wants to be president recreational shrooms probably won't happen
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 03:04 PM
Oct 2023

though he did say he'd be open to a more controlled medical shrooms bill. what I don't get is the opposition to cafes. that seems pretty uncontroversial to me. doesn't seem like the potential political liability that the brave new world of legal shrooms could present. cannabis cafes seems like a non issue or even a positive. what small numbers of presidential voters cast their vote solely on the issue of cannabis cafes are probably in favor of them.

madville

(7,847 posts)
29. They don't have the votes to override?
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 09:37 PM
Oct 2023

Thought Democrats had super majorities in the legislature there.

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