Ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson claims Rudy Giuliani groped her on January 6

[BeyondGeography]

Source: The Guardian

Cassidy Hutchinson, the former Trump aide turned crucial January 6 witness, says in a new book that she was groped by Rudy Giuliani, who was “like a wolf closing in on its prey”, on the day of the attack on the Capitol.

Describing meeting with Giuliani backstage at Donald Trump’s speech near the White House before his supporters marched on Congress in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election, Hutchinson says the former New York mayor turned Trump lawyer put his hand “under my blazer, then my skirt”.

“I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh,” she writes. “He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to [Trump adviser] John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin. I fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from Rudy’s grip … filled with rage, I storm through the tent, on yet another quest for Mark.”

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[Walleye]

1. I don't know why I laughed when I read that, it's just so fucking typical

[sarisataka]

9. I don't know why you laughed either

I'll just leave it at that

[Rebl2]

14. +1

[Walleye]

46. I think it came under that you can't make this stuff up, heading

Of course it’s not funny, the guy is a pig, But also astonishingly stupid

[PatSeg]

62. He is so repulsive

He makes my skin crawl.

[NJCher]

66. that was my reaction

repulsive creep tries to touch me? Disgust.

[PatSeg]

85. Yeah, I really feel for Cassidy Hutchinson

I'll bet she couldn't wait to get home and take a shower. It seems to me that the republican party has an awful lot of repulsive creeps.

[NJCher]

97. In thinking this over, however

I think I would have slapped him across the face. No thought involved, just instant reaction.

It has happened to me before with a so called powerful individual. and I burned the guy. Literally burnt him, not figurative, not reputation.

[jmbar2]

2. I guess not every famous man gets away with it...

Ewww...

Grossed out that a gross old man would think a beautiful young woman would allow him to do that. Delusional... Maybe he has wet brain.

[Omnipresent]

4. She's maga, so she should expect it.

[Scrivener7]

8. That's a disgusting comment.

[Rebl2]

17. Again +1

[sarisataka]

18. And not the only one nt

[Ocelot II]

22. Yes, it was.

[Omnipresent]

35. What?

They don’t act like that?

Did you expect decency from that side of the isle?

[H2O Man]

54. I'm only starting

to read responses on this thread, and am disappointed with a couple of them. It makes me appreciate your's all the more.

[Kennah]

10. As Trump said, grab them. How can anyone be surprised? Appalled? Yes, but surprised?

[Omnipresent]

41. Exactly!

[LoisB]

68. No. Just no.

[pandr32]

52. Not that she would allow it, but that he could do it in the first place.

This goes way beyond "wet brain", (which I am sure he also has). This shows a mentality that women are no more than snacks on a buffet table. He can help himself to whichever ones he wants. The idea that a woman is autonomous and/or may find him repulsive is meaningless to him.
Attractive women Rudy comes across are gifts of opportunity from the gods of Patriarchy, Misogyny, and Entitlement.

[ShazzieB]

84. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has wet brain.

His drinking is obviously out of control and has been for some time. His lack of judgment could just be a result of being drunk all the time, but wet brain is not at all unlikely.

Alcoholism is a sad, ugly disease that takes a terrible toll on people. Giuliani is a classic example of how it can destroy lives. He needs help, but people at the stage he's at are usually too busy trying to ingest enough alcohol to avoid going into withdrawal to think about anything else. He's probably not capable of thinking even semi-clearly anyway, because if the alcohol level in his blood ever dropped low enough to allow that, he'd be incapacitated due to going into withdrawal.

I'm not making excuses for him. He's sleazy and disgusting. However, I don't think we should lose sight of the that he's also in the grip of a serious disease and in dire need of skilled professional help that he's not likely to ever seek out on his own. He's a very, very sick man.

[madaboutharry]

3. It doesn't surprise that a degenerate culture existed around these creepy people.

It will be interesting to see Cassidy Hutchinson's evolution.

I wonder if she will be in the camp that deludes itself into thinking the Republican Party can be saved or if she will go the way of Nicolle Wallace, Steve Schmidt, and a score of former elected republicans who have thrown up their hands and moved on.

[LisaM]

28. I will never forgive Nicolle Wallace until she apologizes.

Bush did irreparable harm to this country and the Supreme Court, not to mention depriving us of two potentially spectacular presidents, and until she apologizes for enabling that piece of excrement, I have no respect for her.

[CTyankee]

40. Sure she should, but I think having her show is powerful. And she pounds it home. She is using what

power she has with her show to not let us forget the monstrosity that Trump was and still is. We don't have to shower her with praise, but it's a good thing to have her on our side.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

58. This is how I feel. IMO she's the most effective anti-GOP voice on MSNBC.

[Hekate]

60. Yes, she is incredibly effective

[Hekate]

59. You never watched her show in all these years? What a loss for you.

[LisaM]

88. I have watched it.

I don't think it's that great.

[Hekate]

92. Well, that's a different story than thinking she brought Palin into McCain's campaign, or...

… was ever anything but a never-Trumper. Both of which are things that come up from time to time and are not true.

In her early days at MSNBC she occasionally mentioned how strained her relationship was with her Trumpy parents and family over her break with the Republican Party. Whether they ever forgave her I do not know, just that after several years the subject was never mentioned. It is just very clear that she is no longer a Republican at all and never will be again. People are capable of growth and change.

If you (or anyone else) doesn’t like her style or her voice or how she does her hair — fine, move on. I can name 3 MSNBC anchors off the top of my head who I don’t care for on that basis, but I don’t question their motives or condemn the entire station. I just watch other people.

[LisaM]

98. I didn't condemn the entire station.

Not sure where you got that. However, she contributed to the normalization of Bush and my memory is not short, the Bush years still haunt me.

[Pinback]

5. That description really made me feel her

visceral disgust, fear, and — most of all — rage. Decent men know it’s bad to do what Giuliani did, but we haven’t experienced it.

Accounts like this, E. Jean Carroll’s, and so many others, educate us to what so many women go through over and over.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. 'Fresh from his stint at Four Seasons Landscaping, Rudy was feeling giddy!'

[Scrivener7]

7. And Eastman egging him on. Just throw these people into a pit.

Thank God Cassidy Hutchinson was in that place in that time, and look at the price she paid to be there.

[Wingus Dingus]

11. Did she think she was selected to be in that inner circle for her brilliance

and work ethic? Trump and his goons don't surround themselves with average-looking middle aged women for a reason. Super cool that she saved it for her book, though.

[BeyondGeography]

16. How soon we forget

Her Jan. 6 Committee testimony was among the most important pieces of evidence of Trump’s criminal intentions that day. She took an enormous amount of abuse from wingnut world as a result. It took guts to do what she did.

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So she saves this tidbit for a book. Big fucking deal. I say get all the revenge you can.

[Wingus Dingus]

19. I don't see any of them as heroes. They're all just varying degrees of:

opportunists, MAGA assclowns, self-serving toadies, outright sleaze bags, grifters, etc. Which one was she? It's nice that she decided to save herself from the giant steaming shit pile of TrumpWorld--and the fact that it helps the rest of the country is good--but this person will never be a hero to me, just for the fact that she thought she needed to be in that place, with those men, to begin with.

[Justice matters.]

27. Yep. The "Access Hollywood" tape made her believe the "locker room talk" lie?

hair fuerhair didn't "sound" like he was lying when he said "grab 'em by the" ...

The GQP "family values" lie ... (just another one in the sh!tpile of lies)

[Wingus Dingus]

42. "I've heard many bad things about them, but I'm not worried, because

I'm different from those other women--I'm CLASSY, and from a GOOD family, and I have a Bachelor's Degree!" That has to be what she was thinking.

[Ocelot II]

24. Her testimony before the 1/6 Committee was essential,

and it took a lot of guts for her to do what she did. I don't fault her for writing a book because she's probably been wiped out financially. And, btw, being attractive doesn't mean a woman is stupid.

[Wingus Dingus]

36. I think you're pretty stupid to want to work for this particular group, sorry.

Or, maybe you're a clear-eyed cold opportunist, working your connections and thinking that their stink won't ever get on you, and that you will somehow be magically treated with respect and dignity even though Trump himself attacked women constantly. I think she falls into the latter group. By 2020, everyone knew what this administration was all about, and how sleazy and misogynistic --and sometimes downright rapey--they all were. But the leopards won't eat MY face, right? She has a right to be angry, disgusted, and she should sue him, certainly. But surprised? No.

[emulatorloo]

15. ' to put into a book in order for her to profit off the attack.....'

Don’t know, maybe you should edit that sentence out as it is pretty grotesque. Totally up to you though.

[Ocelot II]

29. "Profit off the attack"? I'm sure you didn't mean that the way it sounded.

Women don't ever "profit" from being sexually assaulted. If she didn't go to the police at the time it might have been because there was a whole lot of other shit going down; and, more importantly, if you've never been in that position you might not realize that women who are assaulted by powerful men are not believed if they complain. Eastman was right there and he just leered. Why would she imagine anyone would help her?

[Mister Ed]

64. "Well then, why didn't she scream?" has rung in the ears of countless millions of women.

No one should expect it to be well-received here.

[TSExile]

72. Indeed

Why didn't you run? Why didn't you go to the police? Why did you stay? Maybe because it would be making things worse - no one ever considers that. "Freeze and appease" - that's not being weak, just the opposite. Those are survival instincts kicking in.

I am so sorry that Cassidy Hutchinson endured that. No one deserves it, not ever.

[emulatorloo]

13. Of course he did.

[Scrivener7]

20. So we have multiple people pushing incel talking points in another thread, and now we have this

little gem, chock full of nauseating sexist shit saying she should have expected it.

I'm sorry your thread was turned into something so revolting, BeyondGeography.

[eggplant]

30. These comments are truly awful.

DU deserves better.

[Scrivener7]

34. And comments like this are all too common here lately. It's really sad.

[BeyondGeography]

37. Post-truthiness is bad for the soul

For some here Hutchinson is guilty of being a former employee of the Trump Administration and her life as a fellow member of the human race ended there. Once you put those walls around your brain anything goes, including your own powers of reasoning if you’re not careful.

[Ocelot II]

45. Bingo. Does the mere fact that she worked in TFG's administration mean

that she is no longer entitled to any kind of consideration, respect, or even the acknowledgment that she finally, if belatedly, understood what kind of people she'd got mixed up with? Is that what we're saying? So much for "liberal" compassion, it would seem. It's like another post trashing Nicole Wallace for once having worked for Bush, as if the enormously valuable work she's done in her position on MSNBC doesn't matter because damn her, she hasn't apologized!!11! People choose ideologies we don't agree with; they make mistakes and foolish choices, wind up on bad paths, get involved in things they didn't expect or want. We should embrace people like Cassidy Hutchinson for their rejection of what they did, not hate them for their involvement in the first place.

[Scrivener7]

47. Exactly.

[NowsTheTime]

82. Where would we be if there wern't ex-members of Trump admistration that spoke out against Trump?

... and told the truth....

There are a few and I'm grateful to them.

[Scrivener7]

83. I totally agree. I am grateful for her courage, and we all benefit from it. But even if she

had done nothing admirable, I wish DU was better. I wish it was not a site that is chock-full of people who say, "She was asking for it," when a woman is sexually molested.

[NowsTheTime]

87. Exactly...I like to believe the Democratic party is on the side of women.

[Al Gorhythm]

21. No surprise to me....

He was on film with "Borat's daughter". Rudy is a good example of not drinking alcohol to excess and be self entitled.

[Marthe48]

23. well, gop gals, this is what you have to look forward to if you keep supporting

the party of entitled, mouth-breathing, unattractive men who think getting into your pants is their right. There's no age limit on incels, and no limit on their expectations.

[sarisataka]

25. I wish I could say

That some of these comments to a description of a sexual assault are eye-opening.

Unfortunately expected is a more apt descriptor.

[Ocelot II]

31. I didn't expect this sort of obtuseness in a DU thread, but apparently

there are still plenty of people, even ostensible liberals, who don't get it. Same old, same old: She should have kicked him in the nuts; she should have screamed, she was pretty so she should have expected it; she was a Republican so she should have expected to be groped by old Republicans; she didn't report it because she wanted to write a book and make money. I don't know which disgusts me more - Giuliani or some of this crap.

[emulatorloo]

65. It is absolutely sickening.

[Bayard]

26. She should have kneed him in the groin

Put the lecherous, disgusting old man on the ground.

[milestogo]

50. Or punched him in the face.

Or screamed.

[Ocelot II]

78. "Why didn't she scream?"

I’m so tired of that question.

[milestogo]

86. So the best option is wait two and a half years and put it in a book?

She should have reported it.

And if she was working for men who are such assholes who think its funny, then she should have quit her job on the spot. She is smart and well-connected and could have found another position quickly and easily. Its not worth it to put up with that kind of shit at any job just to have "White House" on your resume.

[Ocelot II]

89. You have no idea.

Most women, if they ever report it at all, don't report a sexual assault for a very long time, especially if it involved powerful men who could be sure your career was destroyed. It's such a disturbing experience that they don't even want to think or talk about it. If it's never happened to you, you don't know what you're talking about. It took E. Jean Carroll 30+ years.

[milestogo]

91. I have every idea.

I do know very well what I am talking about, so take a step back.

You are the one making faulty assumptions. You have no fucking clue what my life experience is.

[Grins]

32. Anyone not believe her?

Given ole' horse-mouth's reputation, and the reputation and public comments of the guy who was his 'client,' I believe her.

[Jarqui]

33. Won't help Rudy defend another lawsuit

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/15/rudy-giuliani-lawsuit-noelle-dunphy-sexual-assault

People like Rudy need to be held to account in a way that discourages this disgusting behavior.

There was a time when digitally raping someone, like an unanimous 9 person jury determined in EJ Carroll's lawsuit against Trump, would end their candidacy. For some reason, a significant portion of the country do not find the behavior disqualifying now. He can 'grab 'em by the p*ssy and be elected President. His lawyer and buddies seem to find this behavior preferable or acceptable.

It spins and boggles my mind. I do not understand it.

[Jilly_in_VA]

39. Doesn't surprise me

So fucking typical of Slobfather's entire crew. I wish she'd kicked him in the balls.

[jcgoldie]

43. wow

That quoted paragraph is going to give me nightmares.

[BWdem4life]

70. Should have come with a trigger warning. nt

[iluvtennis]

44. She should have slapped the sh*t out of perverted arse.

[Solly Mack]

48. Eww. Just eww.

Oh, and I would have been arrested for elderly abuse because I would have beaten the shit out of him.

[republianmushroom]

49. Why wait 9 months to expose this act of being groped ?

Why wasn't it exposed at the time it happened ?

[BeyondGeography]

51. I'm thinking she had the sequencing worked out perfectly

On Jan. 6 she was personally victimized and she witnessed other criminal acts that damaged the entire country.

Let’s say she came right out and said she was groped and oh by the way, many months later, tells a congressional committee that Trump paved the way for violence on Jan. 6. What happens to her credibility then?

Being smart as fucking hell as far as I can tell, not to mention extremely disciplined, she nursed her interior wounds and put the larger societal story first. Then she lets another 12-plus months go by, during which time Trump further reveals himself as a criminal, before she tells her personal story.

I remember when she testified and I thought she’s pretty damned calm for a 25-year-old who’s about to have the entire wingnut universe fall down on her head. Now I think we know where a not insubstantial part of her inner strength and willingness to pay the price for telling the truth of what happened that day came from. And we still have some people here who question her motivations, timing, etc. Personally, she has my full respect.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

56. It was a gross violation of her. She never had to say a word about it if she didn't want to.

It must have been traumatic, and everyone who's been attacked this way processes it in their own way. Some are never able to speak about it. Some are.

Either way, I hope she makes a mint off this book.

[TSExile]

73. Ditto

I may buy a copy for that reason alone. Then I would donate it to the library.

It took me a year to tell anybody about my sexual assault. Because the man was someone I had considered a friend and someone I had trusted, people thought I was saying this out of a sense of perceived revenge. I did eventually report it to the police, knowing the odds of him being arrested or even questioned were slim to none. Still, I wanted what he had done to me on the record - for my own sake and in case he ever tried anything with anyone else. To this day, as far as I know, he is free and living his best life.

Wherever she was before, Cassidy Hutchinson is a brave woman. To go up against those bullies and their stans, like she did, you need to be brave.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

74. I'm so sorry you had to go through that! You are brave to have gone to the police!

Buying and then donating Hutchinson's book is a great idea!

[TSExile]

77. Thank you, my friend.

The 8-year anniversary of when it happened is coming up (Sunday, October 11, 2015). This time of year is always tough for me.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

81. I can only imagine how hard it must be. You have my utmost admiration for getting through it

all these years!

[TSExile]

95. Thank you so much...

Eventually you find a way to learn to live with it. I just hope that I can help others who are struggling.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

96. I think just knowing that you found a way offers hope and relief to others who are!

[Scrivener7]

63. The average time it takes to report sexual

abuse is 23 years.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

93. Sometimes

it takes that long to realize what happened to you, if it happens to you before you have the language to articulate it, and your abusers live in the same house, and it goes on for years, and nobody NOBODY believes you, or cares. And decades later, still think you are a liar.

[Ocelot II]

76. Why did E Jean Carroll wait 30 years?

Why didn’t she scream?
Why didn’t she hit him?
Why didn’t she report him?
Why did she stand near him?
Why was she dressed like that?

It’s always the woman’s fault, isn’t it?

[LiberalFighter]

53. Geesh

[FakeNoose]

55. I'm guessing this is only one small incident in Cassidy's book

The Guardian is just playing this story up for the "ewww" factor.

Cassidy's book probably only has one minor incident with Rudy Giuliani, that's my guess. She spent most of her time with Mark Meadows, who was her direct boss. Then she worked for a time down at Mar-A-Lago after Chump's miserable term was over. I presume she spent more time around Chump at Mar-A-Lago.

This is one book that I plan to read. Cassidy's testimony for the House Select Committee investigation was dynamite.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

57. What is this the third verified case of Rudy's sexual impropriety?

[Martin68]

61. Perfect the it's a Trumpist who has made the claim. They can't claim it's a politically-motivated

charge.

[SunSeeker]

67. Well that's yet another reason for why she flipped.

Giuliani is absolutely disgusting.

[prodigitalson]

69. " John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin" are perhaps the creepiest words ever written in modern

English.

[ProfessorGAC]

75. I Already Thought Eastman Was Slime

This retelling assures me I was correct in that assessment of him.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

71. I don't like that

present tense narrative.

I hope she's got a good editor.

Not surprised about "just tucking in my shirt," pig.

[BWdem4life]

79. What she should have done:

1. Said, "Oh, baby let's do it right now on the floor!"
2. Laughed in his face and slammed him to the floor.
3. Stomped on his groin just for good measure.
4. Asked Eastman if he still thought this was funny.

[Scrivener7]

80. It's fascinating that all these posters know how to react so much better than Hutchinson

did in the face of sexual molestation.

If only all these women who get molested were better at being molested. Then we'd be able to think their experiences were valid.

[Ocelot II]

90. Yup. If it's never happened to you, you don't know

that you won't scream because you're probably too shocked and surprised to do anything at all; that you won't report it because you know the consequences are likely to be worse for you than for him; that you're ashamed and embarrassed that the man thought of you that way; that you don't want even want to think about it. Maybe a long time later you can process it well enough to say something - but maybe not. Maybe never.

[TSExile]

94. PREACH

One more thing...once it happens, you NEVER get over it.

[Wednesdays]

99. Holy Shit.

And this is only one incident we're hearing about. If statistics are any indicator, this is just the tip of the iceberg for what really happened in TFG's inner circle, since most sexual assaults are never reported.