Florida sheriff goes on rant against gun laws while announcing arrests in shootings that killed 3 te
Source: NBC News via AOL
A Florida sheriff went on a rant against gun restrictions Friday while announcing the arrests of two minors in connection with a string of shootings that left three teenagers dead.
Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods said during a news conference the two suspects were charged with first-degree murder.
Court records obtained by NBC News on Friday indicate one boy is 17 years old and a second one is 12. A third suspect, 16, remains at large.
NBC News does not usually name minors charged with a crime, even those charged as adults.
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From the article:
“Our school districts, not just here, across this state and nation need to quit minimizing the actions of their students. Hold them accountable. That’s where the failure is,” Woods said.
Blame the schools. It's always the schools who have been handcuffed by idiot principals, idiot parents, and idiot politicians.
If this low talent LEO thinks he can do a better job in a school, he's free to turn in his tin star for dry erase markers and teach.
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ancianita
(43,307 posts)positive. Yes, it looks as if he's also all over the place about who's responsible for these gun deaths.
Lonestarblue
(13,481 posts)ancianita
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wnylib
(26,025 posts)ancianita
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3auld6phart
(1,683 posts)First damn thing that came to mind. Hitler wanna be. Sick LEO pig.
maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)
It's a "Toothbrush Moustache".
This guy has a tiny mouth, the moustache goes to the edge.
He's just a cop with a moustache.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Ya see now how dumb it is…to have gun laws! There is still gun crime!!
We live in a parallel universe I m afraid to say, even law enforcement, some at least…want more Guns on the street… the street cops in the background seemed rather uncomfortable with that though.
It’s one man though don’t forget, one with a megaphone thrust in front him.
Feel sorry for the locals, cops and civilians alike.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Heard it from the horse's mouth. People buy it because they elected him. Sunk cost fallacy, even if they don't agree.
He's in the Sheriff's Association, so I can predict they all think pretty much alike. Between these sheriffs' citizens' academies that groom supporters (aka vigilantes), and DeathSantis's permitless C&C law, I'm feeling doomed here in Manatee Cty. I try not to think about it.
multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)More like those in Western Europe that have much less gun violence and respect for Pubic Education.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,781 posts)when you have politicians repeatedly saying that teachers and education suck
when you have 40+ years of destroying education
when you give kids more power in a classroom than teachers
when you give parents more power in a classroom than teachers
when you hold teacher accountable for everything
when improving education is buying a new guru's system based on evidence they will never release
when you require all students pass regardless of achievement
education will suck and continue to suck.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Schools don't suck, though. It's everyone's stupidity about their value that sucks.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)They're not exempt from all blame. They're merely one cog in creating the bad behavior of Americans, not the entirety of it.
But they are part of the problem, too. They can't help but be, because they're part of a sick society themselves.
So don't glorify schools and absolve them of any responsibility for how awful Americans are. They often play their own role in reinforcing every horrible thing about this country, from its bigotry against girls, POC and LGBTQ, to exalting white male patriarchy über alles, to its unequal treatment of "rules" (read: law), to the school to prison pipeline that they enable without much protest, and even the acceptance of who can be violent toward whom, and how much. If you think they don't tolerate violence in their schools to some degree, consider this: They've had more than 2 decades to figure out how to get a better handle on bullying, and yet far too many kids are still suffering and even killing themselves over it, one way or another. Sure, it's a complex problem that isn't easily fixed, but even when they know about proven ways to reduce it, the means to do it aren't being implemented enough, or often enough, either.
Educators aren't deities; they are as flawed as everyone else, and it leaks into their classrooms, playgrounds, hallways, and bathrooms/locker rooms, more often than most want to admit. Of course, not all educators are horrible, even the mediocre ones mean well, but far more of them are bullies and bigots in their own right than most people want to admit.
If you weren't on the receiving end of that, well, how wonderful for you that school was a rewarding experience, maybe even "fun." For too many kids, it's been a place of dread, or even horror. It was true when I was forced to attend, and it's still true now.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)All this negative amplification of everything wrong with schools deserves a rebuttal.
Short rebuttal answer: No, I and millions of other Americans have not been on the receiving end of that. That's not random good luck. That's because of systematic commitment by teaching professionals to human development and our future descendants.
Sucks that you had a sucky experience, but you in no way prove that schools suck thereby.
See the long rebuttal in one of the GD OP's. 
ancianita
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GPV
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SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)society, lax or absent parents/guardians/family, and/or the lack of more stricter gun laws should bear the bulk of the responsibility IMHO. But, as we've all seen, anything having to do w/ a stricter gun law is usually struck down (these ordinances are or have been enacted by large metro areas (STLMO is a good example) in attempts to rein in gun violence, the state legislature then prevented cities in MO from enacting such ordinances.
Maybe do something totally different, such as make chemical explosives illegal unless permits are obtained (a bullet contains a chemical explosive). Tax the hell out of brass (the bullet casings). Maybe a noise ordinance, over X number of decibels (and have penalties by the higher the decibel).
Just a couple of off the wall suggestions but I do recall the debate about gun stocks some years back. But with over 300 million guns in this Country already, I fear that it's too late for anything to make a difference (I hope I'm wrong), and w/ rogue governors pardoning some people for their gun crimes, even toughening the laws on using guns is getting harder and harder.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)However, it's not true that they aren't to blame for many of our problems, because they are both a mirror and a microcosm of an American society that is sick to its core.
Racism is systemic in the schools (so is misogyny and homophobia). White kids still get away with behavior that minorities get smacked down for--and hard. Have you forgotten who's part of that school to prison pipeline? Gee, it's right there in the terminology!
That's because the mentality of brown kids deserving the book thrown at them for any offense while white kids skate--it starts in schools. From kindergarten on, too many of them start tearing down brown kids and overreacting to any straying from the "rules," (many of which are just plain stupid), rather than using more compassionate methods to guide them into "acceptable" behavior.
How schools so often overreact to the behavior of brown kids is the point of the criticism of "school to prison." And that's only one way that schools are doing their share to create, foster and maintain certain social behaviors, including bad ones.
They are not 100% to blame for society's ills--but they are not blameless, either. We have to face facts like these with honesty and humility if we want to heal the sickness of American society and culture.
pazzyanne
(6,760 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Why don’t their heads spin off from their necks with all the twisted logic and opposing hypocrisy’s?
DFW
(60,189 posts)Both of my girls went to public schools in Germany, and they couldn't WAIT to get the hell out of there. German schools have a very Darwinian approach to education, and exercise a brutal psychological winnowing down of their students with a very arbitrary attitude that basically says that any student is personally and solely responsible for any problems they might have, from academics to bullying.
Sure, there is less GUN violence, because there are fewer guns. But beatings occur, and all the more subtle forms of bullying and mobbing are as prevalent as they are anywhere else. Respect for public education is mostly in the eyes of the administration themelves, and the teaching staff, who, as German "Beamten," cannot be fired for ANYTHING short of shooting someone in broad daylight on national TV. Minor things like incompetence or mental cruelty are not considered reasons for termination, or even discipline. My wife and I, as parents of two bright German schoolchildren, experienced this first hand for years, as did our children. A friend of my wife's was the principal of a German public school for an affluent part of Düsseldorf, and she used to vent her frustration with the rigidity and cruelty of the system, of which she couldn't change the basic structure.
Our elder daughter was particularly swatted down by the school's teachers and administration, even though she returned from a semester in the USA to graduate from her high school in Düsseldorf with a modest (at best) GPA. She desperately wanted to go to college in the USA, and just before graduation, she called me up to ask "what in the world is a valedictorian, and why do I have to give a speech in front of 3000 people?" So her bad experience in Germany was NOT because she was stupid.
Her younger sister also went to the USA for her 11th grade, and never returned. What happened to her sister was not lost on her. Only the job-poor aftermath of the Cheney-Bush recession gave her an incentive to return to Germany, and at that, her German law firm wanted a bi-lingual graduate of an American Law School (U.S. Bar Exam) with an EU work permit. As a dual citizen (USA-Germany), she had an automatic EU work permit. That is what got her that high-paid Frankfurt job--otherwise she would have preferred, and sought (without success) something in DC-NYC-Boston.
But take it from someone who has been there as a parent of two children in the German public school system--don't think that those who have been through it think it's at all better.
multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)in the Detroit public schools.
aocommunalpunch
(4,581 posts)multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)Large urban school district. Didn’t mean to pick on Detroit.
I have a friend that teaches English as a second language. He has traveled all over the world and says American teachers are the least respected teachers. In Japan and South Korea teachers are very respected.
My mother was an English teacher in Lansing for 30 years and she thought it sucked.
DFW
(60,189 posts)We went for the devil we knew. It doesn‘t mean it was wonderful. There are still people who think everything‘s free in Germany, too. Everyone has their fantasies of why paradise is elsewhere. It‘s never true.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)DFW
(60,189 posts)The grieving parents are not consoled just because of that.
TNNurse
(7,541 posts)paleotn
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multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)Myself included own guns. A 22 and, or a shotgun and we hunted with them. Can’t remember anyone shooting up a school.
Of course times are different now. There is no going back to those days now that guns are worshipped.
intheflow
(30,180 posts)Kids used the schools were for target practice, but not when they were in session. It was a drunk, middle of the night thing, probably singing "We Don't Need No Education..." Zero intent to harm anyone, just being supremely stupid teens. The shit happening now is a whole 'nother thing entirely.
paleotn
(22,218 posts)When I turned 16, dad gave me my maternal grandfather's over-under breech loader that he kept in safe keeping until I was old enough. Still have both. But the thing is, neither comes anywhere near the firepower of commercially available AR15 and AK variants. Even if I had some mental breakdown, I'd never be able to do the damaged caused by firing .223, 5.56 or 7.62 all over the damn place. The firepower today is just insane and ought to be banned outright. When my dad was a kid, you could actually buy a BAR, Clyde Barrow's weapon of choice, until we said no. The same should happen to semi-auto. You can't have it, so don't even think about it. If you do acquire one....go to prison long time.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)However, my cousins who lived in a rural area told me that it was normal for their classmates not only to have guns, but also to bring them onto the campus in their pickup trucks that had racks for them in the back window.
I didn't believe them.
They showed me pictures they took in their school parking lot. It was true.
It was the 70s. I don't know if that would fly these days.
My understanding is that most of the gun toters either liked to hunt after school on a regular basis...or had to, because they were that poor.
intheflow
(30,180 posts)The sheriff said the suspects obtained the guns used in the shootings through car burglaries.
“All the gun laws we got in place didn’t prevent it, did it? Neither will any new ones. Because here’s the fact: The bad guy is going to get a gun no matter what law you put in place. These juveniles shouldn't even possess a handgun but they did,” Woods added.
Riiight. The fact that anyone can get a gun and leave it in their car is the first problem.
Less guns = less guns left in cars to be stolen. This sheriff is a complete idiot.
multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)Thank you.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)So then no need for anyone to enforce laws that don’t exist and no one would have obeyed anyway! Just go for anarchy!?
The logical pretzels gunners turn themselves into…amazing.
dlk
(13,248 posts)Nor are they fans of open carry and lax gun laws. This puts their lives at risk. Republicans only give lip service to “Back the Blue,” and then do the opposite. More guns equal more death.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)it’s highly profitable! And how can mass media possibly expose one of only two parties to the ridicule and shame they so richly deserve. That would destroy their own political riches.!
dlk
(13,248 posts)They have largely failed to point out massive GOP hypocrisy and that GOP protections and accusations are usually confessions.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)dlk
(13,248 posts)paleotn
(22,218 posts)Lives of everyone be damned.
ChazII
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purr-rat beauty
(1,257 posts)I would strongly consider a new profession or get the f out of Florida
they are becoming the scapegoats for everything!
if this fool blames school but yet parents have the rights - then shouldn't the parents be to blame?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Is no one concerned that a 12 year old murdered three other teens? Along with his two teen buddies?
Does no one see that is a problem? Nah, let's just call the sheriff names. 