10 Mass Shootings in 2 Days

[Stuart G]

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Source: CNN



Current Headline At CNN: 9:13AM Eastern Time....Very Sad, Beyond Belief.

(CNN)..In South Carolina and Texas, victims were shot at a high school graduation party. In Kentucky, funeral goers were hit outside a church. Multiple shooters sprayed a crowd with bullets in Philadelphia. In Chattanooga, Tennessee, shots rang out at a nightclub...

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/

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[SoCalDavidS]

1. Sad, But Not Beyond Belief

It is pure America.

[Stuart G]

2. " pure America" ...What can someone say to that? ...NOT ME!!

[SoCalDavidS]

4. America Is A Gun

That poem has been posted here recently. It is how the rest of the world sees us. Sad, but true.

[gopiscrap]

12. even 3 and a half years ago

when we were in Norway, Finland and Germany, that's one of the two things folks asked us about was guns and why trump is such an asshole

[IronLionZion]

3. An armed society is a polite society

[Lonestarblue]

5. Now daily mass shootings.

The insanity of it all is mind boggling. That anyone, even rabid ignorant Republicans can still argue that guns make us safer is beyond comprehension.

An interesting side note is that gun and ammunition manufacturers’ profits have risen significantly since the start of the pandemic. The data below is for publicly traded manufacturers.

“For several of these companies, it was the most profitable years in their history, according to SEC filings, or at least in the past, you know, 10 or 15 years. And that squares with what we saw from the gun sales increase of 2020 and 2021, which is that those were two of the highest years on record for gun sales.” https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102989967/gun-companies-have-made-billions-of-dollars-since-the-pandemic-began-report-says

Privately held corporations like Daniel Defense, maker of the gun used in Uvalde, do not share their profits, but the NYT has reported that Daniel Defense manufactured significantly more guns in 2020. The company got $3.1 million in pandemic aid. The founder is a big Republican donor and is a primary supporter of Herschel Walker in Georgia.

The discussions on gun control going on in the Senate now will have little impact because, as usual, Republicans want to slap on a bandaid while major surgery is warranted. But profits! Truly disgusting that they place so little value on human life, even for children.

[sop]

10. No one "can still argue that guns make us safer." That sort of justification seems so quaint today.

These days the gun ownership argument has been distilled to its basest level: "The 2nd Amendment gives us the absolute right to own whatever we want, we don't care how many people are killed by guns, so come get them!"

[TigressDem]

6. Details on why AR-15 is a MILITARY Weapon, not suitible for civilians to have

Michael Fanone is a CNN law enforcement analyst who served for 20 years with the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department. The views expressed here are his own

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fanone/index.html



The bullet that comes out of the barrel of an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle can easily penetrate the target -- the intruder or whatever person you are using deadly force to defend yourself or others from.

But it also will go through the wall behind that person, and potentially through that room and into the next wall. That power and accuracy are useful for military purposes, which is obviously what they were designed for. But it's far more power than should ever be in the hands of the average civilian.

The bullet fired by the AR-15 is capable of defeating the average police officer's body armor, like a knife slicing through butter. SWAT teams and some of the more specialized units typically are equipped with level IV Kevlar or steel-plated armor, which would stop maybe two or three direct hits, but eventually body armor breaks down after being hit with multiple rounds.

A person wielding an AR-15 has a range beyond 300 yards. For an officer armed with a 9 mm pistol, hitting a target beyond 50 yards is going to be difficult, even for the most accomplished marksman. A bullet fired by an AR-15 travels at three times the velocity as one fired by a 9 mm handgun. And magazines that can feed dozens of rounds into the weapon in the space of minutes clearly were meant for use only on the battlefield.

The prevalence of these weapons means police sometimes are overmatched, as we saw with the mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, last month. In a situation where you have small children near the shooter, you want to remove the threat as quickly as possible.
But we all saw the tragic consequences at that elementary school, where police waited for more than an hour before engaging with the teenage gunman armed with an AR-15 who killed 19 young children and two teachers.

I have no doubt that police in Uvalde wish they had had weapons as powerful as the one carried by the shooter who snuffed out the lives of the victims in that school. But a far better outcome would have been if the shooter didn't have an AR-15 in the first place.

[sop]

7. Horrible.

At least all mass shootings are being reported as such these days. For too long mass shootings involving young, urban males have been dismissed as merely gang-related warfare, the sort of violence people have come to expect in places like Chicago, Philly and LA.

[Recursion]

9. Bingo. I don't know what changed but I'm glad it did

Ten years ago the South Street shooting wouldn't have even made the news.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Here is the actual headline and link

'cause you know that linking to what will be a dynamically-changing CNN main page is gonna be a no-no but is an important story nonetheless!

America's deadly weekend of more mass shootings raise stakes for Senate gun talks

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/senate-gun-control-negotiations/index.html

[Harvey Wineburger]

11. Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) is drafting legislation to impose a hefty tax on assault-style weapons

Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) is drafting legislation to impose a hefty tax on assault-style weapons in the wake of recent mass shootings across the United States.

Beyer’s office told The Hill the proposal was a workaround to avoid GOP opposition to legislation outright banning the high-capacity weapons.

“Congressman Beyer has seen action to prevent gun violence obstructed by Senate Republicans using the filibuster after horrific mass shootings for years, this legislation represents an effort to put a new option on the table for those who believe that gun safety reforms are urgently needed to save lives,” Beyer’s deputy chief of staff Aaron Fritschner said in an email.

Beyer’s proposal would tax AR-15 model weapons and other firearms considered “assault” weapons according to terms set out in a separate bill from Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), Breyer’s office told The Hill.
https://thehill.com/news/house/3512671-beyer-to-propose-1000-percent-tax-on-assault-style-weapons/

1000% TAX!
Make them unaffordable!
That'll help keep the infernal weapons of war out of the hands of those thugs and punks!

[SoCalDavidS]

14. Will NEVER Make It Past The Current Supreme Court nt

[Harvey Wineburger]

15. All spending and tax bills originate in the House of Representatives

So constitutionally Rep. Beyer is on solid ground.

It wouldn't get past the Senate as currently constituted, and I doubt it would even get out of committee in the house.

Good thought though.

[FakeNoose]

13. Congratulations - we're all citizens of NRA-Land now

This is what they've always wanted, and the Repukes gave it to them.

[sop]

16. Big Gun has become too big to fail.

[Initech]

17. Thanks to the NRA, we're all sitting ducks now.

And terrorist cretins like this dangerous lunatic's Youtube channel aren't helping things.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-gun-politics-shootings-race-and-ethnicity-2d37c8ede6135eca9f0b2150e7927a92

[Omaha Steve]

18. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

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