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Montauk6

(9,339 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 11:16 AM Feb 2021

Leading House Dem sues Trump under a post-Civil War law for conspiracy to incite US Capitol riot

Source: CNN

Former President Donald Trump and attorney Rudy Giuliani are being accused of conspiring with the far-right groups Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to incite the January 6 insurrection in a civil lawsuit filed Tuesday in federal court by the Democratic chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee that cites a post-Civil War law designed to combat violence and intimidation by the Ku Klux Klan.

The lawsuit, filed by Mississippi Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson in his personal capacity, is the first civil action filed against the former President related to the attack at the US Capitol and comes days after the Senate acquitted Trump in his impeachment trial.

If it proceeds, it would mean the former President and others would be subject to discovery and depositions, potentially exposing details and evidence that weren't released during the Senate impeachment trial.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/capitol-lawsuit-trump-giuliani-proud-boys-oath-keepers/index.html

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Leading House Dem sues Trump under a post-Civil War law for conspiracy to incite US Capitol riot (Original Post) Montauk6 Feb 2021 OP
I can't believe this underpants Feb 2021 #1
There's obviously a large African-American population in Mississippi. Mattgoetznolovefromm Feb 2021 #3
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Feb 2021 #7
Welcome to DU underpants Feb 2021 #12
Outside of Jackson, FoxNewsSucks Feb 2021 #17
+++ agree. nt iluvtennis Feb 2021 #20
Alabama Is Similarly Gerrymandered COL Mustard Feb 2021 #33
Great line! 70sEraVet Feb 2021 #5
2nd district is D+14 IronLionZion Feb 2021 #39
Good for him!! KarenS Feb 2021 #2
They've all got their hands full censuring Republicans. dchill Feb 2021 #15
What good news! Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #4
Also some first rate comedy-writing 70sEraVet Feb 2021 #6
There are sane folk everywhere, even in Mississippi. Tommymac Feb 2021 #8
N.A.A.C.P. Sues Trump and Giuliani Over Election Fight and Jan. 6 Riot Lasher Feb 2021 #9
Awesome! ancianita Feb 2021 #32
this time the fucker can't hide from subpoenas. Voltaire2 Feb 2021 #10
And you know what he has and can get access to the secret service records............. turbinetree Feb 2021 #11
K & R Duppers Feb 2021 #13
Unfortunately there is no chance in hell they would Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #14
You'd be surprised at what good investigators and analysts can cobble together from not much. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #25
Yup. Heard Preet on CNN after acquttal Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #27
That is a bit odd, isn't it? BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #30
Roger Stone should be added to the mix. NT SayItLoud Feb 2021 #16
Thank you Rep Thompson KewlKat Feb 2021 #18
I can't imagine what will be exposed under discovery and who will be deposed. Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #19
A good start pandr32 Feb 2021 #21
I'm afraid this is going to just help make trump look the martyr. oldsoftie Feb 2021 #22
only the true asshole trumpers mdbl Feb 2021 #26
Not really; I'm in the middle of the whole nine yards of folks! oldsoftie Feb 2021 #28
Well then we need to take the whole damn country back to civics class mdbl Feb 2021 #29
We've needed that for 40 yrs. Along with finance! nt oldsoftie Feb 2021 #35
To who? orangecrush Feb 2021 #37
To people who have no definite political affiliation oldsoftie Feb 2021 #38
Good Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2021 #23
Excellent, and how appropriate Hekate Feb 2021 #24
KR! Cha Feb 2021 #31
HALELULAULA !!!!! i can't spell !!! but wow wow wow !!!! trueblue2007 Feb 2021 #34
K&R! n/t AntiFascist Feb 2021 #36

Mattgoetznolovefromm

(3,752 posts)
3. There's obviously a large African-American population in Mississippi.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 11:20 AM
Feb 2021

Of course there would be black representatives.

COL Mustard

(8,218 posts)
33. Alabama Is Similarly Gerrymandered
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:50 PM
Feb 2021

One African American rep in the state out of 7 districts.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
4. What good news!
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 11:39 AM
Feb 2021

And ask for damages to the Capitol to be paid by Trump and his co-conspirators. The last total I saw was $519 million. Billionaire Trump should be made to pay for the damage he caused by inciting his supporters.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
8. There are sane folk everywhere, even in Mississippi.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:24 PM
Feb 2021

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Lasher

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9. N.A.A.C.P. Sues Trump and Giuliani Over Election Fight and Jan. 6 Riot
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 12:31 PM
Feb 2021
WASHINGTON — The N.A.A.C.P. on Tuesday morning filed a federal lawsuit against former President Donald J. Trump and his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, claiming that they violated a 19th century statute when they tried to prevent the certification of the election on Jan. 6.

The civil rights organization brought the suit on behalf of Representative Bennie Thompson, Democrat of Mississippi. Other Democrats in Congress — including Representatives Hank Johnson of Georgia and Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey — are expected to join as plaintiffs in the coming weeks, according to the N.A.A.C.P.

The lawsuit contends that Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani violated the Ku Klux Klan Act, an 1871 statute that includes protections against violent conspiracies that interfered with Congress’s constitutional duties; the suit also names the Proud Boys, the far-right nationalist group, and the Oath Keepers militia group. The legal action accuses Mr. Trump, Mr. Giuliani and the two groups of conspiring to incite a violent riot at the Capitol, with the goal of preventing Congress from certifying the election.

The suit is the latest legal problem for Mr. Trump: New York prosecutors are investigating his financial dealings; New York’s attorney general is pursuing a civil investigation into whether Mr. Trump’s company misstated assets to get bank loans and tax benefits; and a Georgia district attorney is examining his election interference effort there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/us/politics/naacp-sues-trump-giuliani-proud-boys-capitol.html
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. Unfortunately there is no chance in hell they would
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:19 PM
Feb 2021

keep any incriminating evidence or have even created any to begin with. Other than what's already in the public domain.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
25. You'd be surprised at what good investigators and analysts can cobble together from not much.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:24 PM
Feb 2021

Things that would fly under the radar, seemingly innocuous, that raise a flag within a larger context, as seen by well-trained and experienced people.

Some of it will be impossible for the cabal to get to. The "militia" cosplayers don't have the reach, and their actions will nail them anyway.

There is still evidence that even the players at the top of this dungheap won't be able to get to. IRS records, Deutsche Bank accounting, metadata from comm providers, and many more.

I'm hopeful on that front. What worries me is that a court might refuse to hear the case, on whatever grounds they can dream up.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. Yup. Heard Preet on CNN after acquttal
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:38 PM
Feb 2021

He was very pessimistic about any legal option proceding related to the insurrection and Trump and his cronies. Bottom line he said if a political attempt couldn't work doubtful anyone would think a more restrictive legal process would work.
It was very disheartening. And it was curious to me. Preet was very non-emotional about it. He didn't seem to care at all.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
30. That is a bit odd, isn't it?
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:26 PM
Feb 2021

I'd have thought he'd care at least a little more. He has some skin in the game, after all.

That might have been the worst analogy in weeks.

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
19. I can't imagine what will be exposed under discovery and who will be deposed.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:54 PM
Feb 2021

But I have a little list of candidates...

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
22. I'm afraid this is going to just help make trump look the martyr.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 02:16 PM
Feb 2021

Let the states and businesses sue him over his frauds & get him in court.
Although the burden is much lower in civil than criminal court, I believe its just going to make more people say "enough of this crap"

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
26. only the true asshole trumpers
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:36 PM
Feb 2021

the rest of us normal people want him to be held accountable so let 'em bitch.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
28. Not really; I'm in the middle of the whole nine yards of folks!
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:42 PM
Feb 2021

From the ones who'd probably DIE for him to ones who'd probably take him out if they had a legit opportunity. But the ones in between are the decision makers. And i'm already hearing the "i'm sick of hearing about it; he's GONE" stuff. It has the possibility of a backlash among those. He's got plenty of bad news coming business wise; I'll take that.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
29. Well then we need to take the whole damn country back to civics class
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:52 PM
Feb 2021

so they realize how fucked they are right now.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
38. To people who have no definite political affiliation
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 07:15 PM
Feb 2021

Otherwise known as the Independents; the ones who usually put a candidate over the top

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