ISIS 'crucifies Catholic priest on Good Friday' after kidnapping him from old people's home

[cigsandcoffee]

Source: Daily Mail UK

The Indian Catholic priest kidnapped by ISIS-linked terrorists in Yemen earlier this month was crucified on Good Friday, it has been claimed.

Father Thomas Uzhunnalil, 56, was taken by Islamist gunmen, reportedly linked to ISIS, who attacked an old people's home in Aden, southern Yemen, killing at least 15 people, on March 4.

The terrorists reportedly carried out the heinous murder on Good Friday, after threatening to do so earlier in the week, according to the Archbishop of Vienna

It was reported last week that several religious groups had received threats that Father Thomas would be crucified on Good Friday, but this was denied by his church in hometown of Bangalore.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512288/ISIS-carries-Good-Friday-crucifixion-Indian-Catholic-priest-Yemen-kidnapped-three-weeks-ago.html

[valerief]

1. Damn religion. nt

[saturnsring]

11. it isnt religion

as gummybear put it "Yea, the ones doing the crucifying obviously cannot be held accountable" let's blame religion that's easier

[DetlefK]

12. Out of the Top 14 biggest wars going on right now, 7 are rooted in religious conflict.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123050132

50%.
At what point does correlation become causation?

[melm00se]

34. Is religion the reason or the excuse?

[saturnsring]

39. with out religion there'd still be 14 wars right now over something other than religion

[DetlefK]

64. But 7 of the bloodiest wars just wouldn't happen right now.

We are talking Top 14 here. More than a thousand dead people per year.

Get rid of those 7 wars and the lives of at minimum 7000 people are saved, plus we would get rid of all the side-effects of war, like destruction, economic depression, deteriorating health, rape...

[GummyBearz]

71. Religion is the excuse, not the reason

If you really think wars would vanish if religion vanished you are kidding yourself. Wars are fought because the people with power want more power.

[apnu]

72. Yes but we'd have less wars and excuses to go to war would be fewer.

Warmongers always cloak themselves in religion and use it as an excuse to kill people to gain power. Religion is often the excuse to morally justify murder. Despite the fact that most modern religions claim they are peaceful.

Whatever ethics and morality religions claim to provide for humanity, almost all of them clearly, and repeatedly, fail providing this moral and ethic fabric we clearly need.

Remove the ability to say 'Killing for God is OK' and a lot of people will have trouble filling the ranks to go to war.

Groups will still go to war over land, assets, water, power or whatever. But without religion, they'd have to be fairly honest about their reasons to war. No more can they say "Kill the Infidel because God says so" they'll have to say "Kill these guys, we must have their stuff" (or whatever the actual reason is). At least it would be honest, and the individual signing up to be part of that would have to decide if killing or being killed is worth an opportunity to get that "stuff"

[840high]

21. .that^

It's easier and so PC.

[Darb]

66. Hey, I got this bridge, it's from London.

I'll sell it to you cheap.

[840high]

74. Nah - you bought that bridge.

[Darb]

79. Nice comeback.

For a small child, what's the deal? Up your game man, come on, defend that magical sky man.

[840high]

80. I am a woman. I like my God. Not

trying to convert even one person.

[Darb]

86. That makes it ok?

I like chocolate chip cookies, but none of my chocolate chip cookie brethren, or sisters, feels the need to kill over it.

[840high]

87. Who is doing the killing? Pray tell me.

[rockfordfile]

35. The people who says it has nothing to do with religion are the ones that doesnt want accountability

This people are religious fanatics.

yes a big part of the problem is religion.

[saturnsring]

38. no, killers use religion

[uppityperson]

52. Those people are fanatics. They use religion as an excuse.

I want accountability also.

[kcdoug1]

54. it's nothing BUT religion...

ONLY religion can make someone so evil and vile... NOTHING else even comes close....

[Nye Bevan]

49. Ah, the usual oh-so-politically-correct DU response to Islamic extremism.

Yes it's awful but what about the Jevohah's Witnesses who knocked on my door and woke me up from my nap!

[uppityperson]

50. Damn extremists. Religion is the excuse, not the reason.

[RKP5637]

76. Well said!!! n/t

[DustyJoe]

2. well that message was certainly over the religion of peace's head

Pope Urges Using ‘Weapons Of Love’ To Combat Evil

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/popes-easter-message-urges-love_us_56f8315de4b0a372181a3ce1


Maybe they can get the Pope's approval to now go back to using real weapons to kill these animals

[MariaThinks]

14. the more you support islamists, the more violent and terrible the demands

this was a poor man of God that they executed. Where are the moderate muslim cries. 25000 people took to the streets in Pakistan to demand sharia law. where are the people taking to the streets to demand that muslims stop killing in the name of the religion.

the answer if obvious. The definition of moderate is very different.

[highoverheadspace]

18. There are no moderate muslim statements being reported in the media

because the US is in bed with the extremist Sunni Wahabi muslim terror regimes that are financing these wars and killings. Note that ISIS in Yemen fights alongside US ally Saudi Arabia repressing the will of the rebellion and supporting the dictator? That narrative doesn't get any attention in the corrupt US media. This priest was killed because the wasabi sect see's him as an infidel.

In Syria there are nearly 2 million Christians that are under threat of losing their lives to the jihadists that the US has backed. They had stability previously and Syria was the most secular country of the Middle East. It was called "the belt" because it was the country where Christianity and the Muslim faith intersected.

Here's why they continue to get away with. https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/saudi-arabia-continues-hire-politically-connected-american-lobbyists-public-relation-firms/


The hypocrisy of the US State Department is astounding as they continue to cry crocodile tears for people killed by ISIS in Europe while supporting these terror states.

[MariaThinks]

19. where are they on this board?

[highoverheadspace]

22. Normal moderate muslims probably got tired of this board long ago.

And who can blame them. It isn't exactly anti-war. To the contrary, there has been a lot of support here for the current US backed wars and regime change screw ups, unfortunately. And there are many here who intentionally push the divisive racist buttons.

[MariaThinks]

29. so only the extremists are left?

[highoverheadspace]

45. Last I checked, a large amount of DU anti-war progressives

moved over to Jackpine Radicals in order to escape the censorship (alerts and locked threads) and right wing mindset that has infiltrated Democratic Underground.

[uppityperson]

53. No, not at all. There are some here. Some even post in the Muslim/Islam group though others do not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1224

[rockfordfile]

36. Religious extremist

Any extremist and especially religious extremist always want more. The republican party are full of extremists. Just look at what the religious right wing attempted to do in Georgia and did in NC.

[HERVEPA]

51. Who cares that he was a man of God? Is he more valuable. How about he was a human being.

[GeorgeGist]

3. Thanks, Buffoons ...

[GummyBearz]

9. Yea, the ones doing the crucifying obviously cannot be held accountable

So we must find others to directly blame. Ideally people we disagree with politically. That is the way to get to the root of the problem. I bet anything that after the people in this picture pass away, no one in the middle east will ever kill someone from a different religion.

[goldent]

81. DU is built on shallow thinking.

[FrodosPet]

10. Islamists have no choice but to react with maximum cruelty

The people who crucified the priest are innocent. Considering what has happened in the Middle East, they cannot help themselves. After all, I am sure any of us here would start slaughtering everyone around us if we were in the same position as they are.

Is this a fair summary of your position?



Apologies if it isn't.

[xocet]

24. Where do you get the bit about "The people who crucified the priest are innocent"? Was that in

the posting to which you replied?

[MariaThinks]

31. why don't you post pictures of actual extremists then? what was your point?

[xocet]

33. No post was directed at you. Please check to make sure you are responding to the right person. n/t

[MariaThinks]

15. try posting pictures of some muslim extremists like that and see what happens

[bluestateguy]

4. Disgusting savages

nt

[Coventina]

5. These guys have no limits on their evil.

There is no doubt in my mind that if they had access to nuclear weapons that they would use them.

[leftynyc]

6. Barbarians

Attacking an old person's home (that's what the article calls it) and killing 15 and saving crucifying this priest for the holiday. These disgusting wastes of flesh are barely human.

[hollowdweller]

7. Just my opinion

But unlike an Islamic martyr where you die for your faith while taking as many people as you can with you, being crucified for what you believe in releases a powerful occult force that I'm not sure the ISIS guys can deal with.

[vkkv]

8. Iran looks like a stable, peaceful, model nation now compared to other

countries in the Middle-East.

But the GOP and BiBi (et al) are in constant fear of.. Iran? Yep.

[Akicita]

28. Is there something about "Death to America" you don't understand? It's pretty straightforward.

[vkkv]

41. "" compared to other countries in the Middle-East. ""

[leftynyc]

30. That's a pretty

fucking low bar you're using to tag Iran as a stable, peaceful model nation. I'm sure the mullahs are thrilled.

[vkkv]

40. Exactly, one needs to use a VERY LOW BAR when comparing all countries in the

Middle-East.

I repeat, ALL of the nations in the Middle-East.. very low bar.
We can't trust ANY of them.

[Mosby]

75. We can trust Israel

Israel is one small island of democracy in the middle east, because of our shared values we have a strong bond with them and they, in turn, look out for our interests in the area.

Iran is at odds with the US and Security Council permanent members, their recent missile tests violated United Nations Security Council resolution (UNSCR) 1929 and their involvement in Lebanon and the Syrian civil war violates UNSCR 1701 and the Geneva conventions.

Iran has its fighters or proxies in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza and Yemen, the Iranians, along with the Assad regime and ISIS are easily the most disruptive, aggressive forces in the Middle East today.

[Chan790]

84. Only conditionally.

Israeli governance under the rule of RW extremists and Likudniks doesn't have Israel's best interests at-heart, let alone the best interests of anybody else and less still those of the United States.

It's really beyond time that we recognize a reality...just like US foreign and domestic policy is not monolithic (it varies rather greatly between Democratic and Republican rule), neither is Israel's...and one faction of Israeli politics is not remotely interested in peace because peace takes away the only things they have to get elected on: fear, war, and the constancy of threats & security-concerns.

[Doctor_J]

13. Wait. ISIS #2 was killed last week. I thought I read that that ended the war

[MariaThinks]

16. not sure that was ever claimed as an end to the war

just than #2 was killed.

[FrodosPet]

43. Link, please?

I read that he was a talented multi-tasking guy, so it will temporarily degrade their capacity.

I haven't read anything about it stopping the war.

[Frank Cannon]

65. There's already a new #2

ISIS has more opportunities for career advancement than we have in our own country.

It's like that TV show The Prisoner, where every week Number Two gets fired/killed and is immediately replaced by someone else.

[Chan790]

85. Hardly.

While I find Frank Cannon's response cynical...it's important to recognize exactly who we killed and what their role was. We didn't kill a military leader or a religious leader or a political leader...we killed the guy that managed their finances and paid their bills and was the only even remotely effective diplomat they had.

We killed their combined Treasury Secretary and Sec. of State basically. It's both devastating long-term and logistically...but it has negligible immediate-term effects and few median-term effects until they run out of money and stop functioning as a rational (if thoroughly-evil) international diplomatic entity.

We basically upped the likelihood that their own shadow allies will have to put them down before the implode and delegitimate those allies.

[riderinthestorm]

17. Every time I think they can't get any worse, they do

[tabasco]

20. All ISIS scum and similar religious fundamentalist terror groups

must be eliminated from the face of the earth, no matter what it takes.

[The Green Manalishi]

23. Anyone willing to kill for their religon

should be summarily executed. Preferably in the most blasphemous manner possible.

ANYONE who thinks that any religion should be forced on another- just terminate and harvest the organs for the use of actual human beings

[sarisataka]

25. "Anyone willing to kill for their religon"

Anyone willing to kill for their religon
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should be summarily executed. Preferably in the most blasphemous manner possible.

ANYONE who thinks that any religion should be forced on another- just terminate and harvest the organs for the use of actual human beings

What should be done to people willing to kill others because of their religion?

[The Green Manalishi]

48. Who gives a damn

I care not what anyone believes.

unless and until they start to push that THEIR theology should influence the laws, who I can love, what kind of art I can create and enjoy and what I can do with my body. At that point whack them.
Baptist, Hindu, Muslim- the second YOUR belief in an invisible sky friend starts to effect the laws I have to live under I am perfectly justified in terminating your corporeal existence, until that point in time I could care less.

[sarisataka]

27. "no matter what it takes"

is that really what you mean?

[Akicita]

32. WOW! Comparing innocent Jewish victims to evil religious terrorists.

We did a pretty good job of destroying the ideology that promoted the extermination of those in your picture. It took a herculean effort and cost many lives. I think what Tabasco is saying is that we need a similar all out effort to destroy the evil we now face which is just as bad.

[sarisataka]

37. I have fought

Against Islamic extremists in the most literal sense and have seen first hand what they are willing to do.

Yet when I see people saying "they" must all be eliminated I can't help but note that is the first step on a well trodden road. One far-from-destroyed ideology used that road so much they built a railroad.

[Akicita]

42. If you are saying the Nazism wasn't pretty much destroyed by WWII you are wrong. So was Japanese

Imperialism. Only a few soccer hooligan types left in Europe and a few American crazies hiding in the hills in Idaho. The post you replied to specifically was referring to evil terrorists. I didn't like that you conflated evil terrorists with innocent victims of evil terrorists by posting your picture.

[bettyellen]

57. this is disgusting. too much bullshit about nazis here lately. WTF?

[beam me up scottie]

61. What is wrong with you? Comparing ISIS to Holocaust victims?

[sarisataka]

62. The point is not

that ISIS is the same as Holocaust victims; it is that the Holocaust targeted religion. The OP also talks of eliminating people because of their religion.

While I would happily see ISIS go away tomorrow, I would prefer that it is not by murdering every man, woman and child who affiliates with ISIS.

Once they are gone then it is "similar religious fundamentalist terror groups". Who are they and how many people comprise that group. Will it only be recognized (by whom?) terror groups? Many RWs consider Islam a religion of terror- how many of the 1.6 billion adherents will be classed as terrorists? The poster above suggests "ANYONE who thinks that any religion should be forced on another- just terminate and harvest the organs for the use of actual human being". Will that include Jehovah Witnesses who knock on the door as the two men did at my house this Saturday?

Eliminating a religion, or even a significant portion of it, "no matter the cost" is a very slippery slope. Maybe it wouldn't involve camps but genocide can be committed in a variety of ways

[beam me up scottie]

63. ISIS isn't being targeted because of religion, they're being targeted because they're terrorists.

They are the ones who want to eliminate infidels, including and especially Jews.

Just stop it.

[christx30]

78. ISIS isn't being targeted because they are Muslims.

They are being targeted because of their continued murder and brutality.

More needs to be done to stop ISIS from getting recruits. Any westerner that goes to join them, no matter what job they get, should be arrested upon return.

[TheFarS1de]

82. WTF ?

You DARE compare the Holocaust to a Terrorist movement ? ?

[arcane1]

26. Four uses of the word "reportedly" makes me skeptical.

One guy says it happened and provided no proof of how he would know about it.

[Turborama]

67. Likewise.

"Claimed" started my skepticism, then all the statements of "reportedly" added to it.

Besides that, anything from the Daily Heil should be treated with utmost caution, anyway.

[Agony]

44. our unclean hands.

perhaps we should also condemn "our" bad guys who practiced crucifixion and beheadings in Guatemala…

Guatemalan Military Leaders Arrested for Crimes Against Humanity:Allan Nairn talks of role and responsibility of United States
Sunday, January 10, 2016


"AMY GOODMAN: We turn to stunning developments in Guatemala, where this week police have arrested 18 ex-military leaders on charges of committing crimes against humanity during the decades-long, U.S.-backed dirty war against Guatemala’s indigenous communities. The ex-military leaders face charges of ordering massacres and forced disappearances, which led to perhaps a quarter of a million deaths. Many of the arrested former military leaders were backed by the United States, including Manuel Benedicto Lucas García, who had worked closely with U.S. military officials to develop a system of attacking the highlands where Guatemala’s indigenous Mayan communities reside. The system involved decapitating and crucifying people."

http://rightsaction.org/action-content/guatemalan-military-leaders-arrested-crimes-against-humanityallan-nairn-talks-role
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/4/allan_nairn_us_backers_of_guatemalan
http://www.allannairn.org/2008_02_05_archive.html

[leftyladyfrommo]

46. I don't think these guys are very religious.

From what I have read they are just a whole bunch of violent assholes who grew up in the violent world of constant war in the middle east.

One report I read from a reporter that lived with them said they don't really know much about religion at all. They are really uneducated and just plain stupid.

That poor man. Bush made such a big deal about being a conservative Christian and his actions have caused the violent deaths of thousands of Christians in the middle east. Almost all of the Christians who had lived their peacefully for generations have had to flee for their lives.

[treestar]

47. very likely

I agree, one thing is that they would mock Jesus - does not sit well since the Muslim religion does respect Jesus.

[braddy]

55. That claim of them respecting Jesus doesn't make any sense at all.

They have to totally dismiss him as insane or a liar to ignore what he actually said and was.

[FreedomRain]

59. there is some sense

they say he is a prophet and a teacher, that claims of divinity were either metaphorical or inserted into texts after the fact.

[braddy]

60. That is a cult way of trying to deal with him, not an actual belief of who he was, or

actual respect.

[Turborama]

68. No-one claims Jesus wrote the new testament.

Therein lies the big difference.

[braddy]

69. Huh? That has nothing to do with it.

[Turborama]

70. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, then.

[braddy]

73. Actually I do, that is why I can't make any sense out of your cryptic posts.

[Kelvin Mace]

56. Any reliable source reporting this story?

[CBHagman]

58. No, I've heard it has not been confirmed.

Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)

The Catholic News Service, for one, has not confirmed it, and neither have members of Father Tom Uzhunnalil's own religious order.

[url]http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/bishop-says-he-believes-salesian-priest-kidnapped-in-yemen-is-still-alive.cfm[/url]

Leaders of the Salesian order in India said March 21 that there was no evidence to support the reports and asked people to refrain from "spreading false rumors."

Rumors that the murder was carried out began to circulate after Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna mentioned Father Uzhunnalil in his homily at the Easter Vigil March 26. The next day, the Vienna archdiocesan website posted a piece quoting Bishop Hinder and Indian Salesians as saying there was no evidence the priest was killed; Cardinal Schonborn had spoken to church leaders in the region and believed "there is still hope."

[RKP5637]

77. Most hatefulness and bigotry I hear of anymore comes from religion. n/t

[Nihil]

88. ... but the Daily Mail runs a close second ... (n/t)

[RKP5637]

89. Oh, it certainly does!!! n/t

[brooklynite]

83. Just a few lone wolves...no link to any established religion...right?