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saynotoplutocrats

(40 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:38 PM Jan 2016

A vote for Bernie is a vote to keep the 5-4 Citizens United ruling in place for our great-grand-kids

Bernie Sanders and George McGovern are my two favorite American politicians. I agree with almost everything they have to say. Both have been unapologetic advocates of a kind of Democratic Socialism that would greatly improve this country if implemented. It was that unapologetic liberal advocacy that caused George to lose the Electoral College in 49 states in ’72, and that guarantees Bernie will lose in 2016.

The best chance Democrats have to change the 5-4 Citizens United ruling, and lot of other issues of critical importance to America’s future, is to hold the White House for the next 8 years. Scalia and Kennedy will both be over 80 years old when the next president takes office, the chance that at least one will be replaced in the next eight years is very good. Either of these Republican plutocrats being replaced by Democratic nominee would lead to a reversal of Citizens United and many other unethical 5-4 Supreme Court rulings designed to pursue the Republican agenda of stabbing the middle class in the back and transferring their money to the richest 1%.

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A vote for Bernie is a vote to keep the 5-4 Citizens United ruling in place for our great-grand-kids (Original Post) saynotoplutocrats Jan 2016 OP
Ginsburg is 82 and Beyer is 77... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #1
Making it even more important to have a Democrat in the White House saynotoplutocrats Jan 2016 #3
Bernie has the best chance to win over republicans 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #2
I reject your premise Z_California Jan 2016 #4
^^^^ This! +100 Melissa G Jan 2016 #5
#BernieOrBust Sandy2733 May 2016 #19
OK then. johnp3907 May 2016 #20
"indicted" saynotoplutocrats Jan 2016 #9
The Democrats can run Sherman A1 Jan 2016 #6
There you go with the scare tactics in disguise... I will vote for and only Bernie 2016! Yupy Jan 2016 #7
Bunk! nt ladjf Jan 2016 #8
Bernie is are best chance for a wave and bring in more senate seats. fourcents Feb 2016 #10
The best chance to hold the White House TBF Feb 2016 #11
mmmmm nope gklagan Feb 2016 #12
The fallacy of your logic is that any Democrat will do. And that is no longer true. We need rhett o rick Feb 2016 #13
If Only Wry Grin Mar 2016 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Ruby the Liberal Apr 2016 #17
Clinton has no coat-tails eridani Apr 2016 #18
the right way repairrestoresafe May 2016 #21
Obama CaliDreaming Jul 2016 #22

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. Ginsburg is 82 and Beyer is 77...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

So it isn't only the Conservative side of the court that is getting on in age.

 
3. Making it even more important to have a Democrat in the White House
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

A Republican in the White House could lock in the plutocrat agenda for the next 50 years.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
2. Bernie has the best chance to win over republicans
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Plus Hillary's other email shoe is scheduled to drop after the primaries which will most certainly hand the presidency to trump or Rubio if Hillary is the candidate.

Z_California

(650 posts)
4. I reject your premise
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

Which is Bernie Sanders is unelectable and that Hillary Clinton would have a better chance of winning the general election. That is your opinion, not a fact. 1972 was 44 years ago. Much of the electorate hadn't even been born yet. The Internet and social media weren't even an idea. What happened in 1972 has ZERO bearing on the election this year.

In my opinion, the opposite of what you suggest is true. There is a lot of objective evidence that supports my position over yours - you're probably already aware of it, but I can get into details if you wish.

One thing I can tell you with absolute confidence: Bernie Sanders will NOT be indicted before election day.

Sandy2733

(1 post)
19. #BernieOrBust
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

Bernie's gonna win the dem nod as long as we keep his name going! Mainstream media is ignoring him as you know! I think that's why he went to the corespondent's dinner, sort of an yup I'm still here even though you guys are liars and frauds like HRC! Anderson Cooper is Gloria Vanderbult's son, another family of the 1%

 
9. "indicted"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

It is impressive the way you repeat the Republican "indicted" claim. Maybe you can be as big a "kingpin" as Abraham Gancwajch.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. The Democrats can run
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jan 2016

a cardboard box and beat anyone on the GOP side. I much prefer Bernie Sanders and his views on the future, but the GOP will not be winning the White House in 2016.

TBF

(34,294 posts)
11. The best chance to hold the White House
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:33 PM
Feb 2016

is to vote for Bernie. Hillary is unelectable. But I'm glad you're finally using this account

gklagan

(123 posts)
12. mmmmm nope
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

Turns out Scalia won't really have much of a say in it after all. This kind of rhetorical device is played out, people aren't buying the idea that we have to vote for compromise anymore. You never win a negotiation by starting at the compromise position. Never mind that Reuters polling has Bernie waaaaay ahead with independents compared to the compromise candidate.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. The fallacy of your logic is that any Democrat will do. And that is no longer true. We need
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

a progressive Democrat. H. Clinton is very conservative in all her policies even though she sometimes pretends not to be. To say she is better than a Republcon is no longer enough. It's saying that we can live with the status quo for 8 more years. The status quo is literally killing Americans whether via poverty, infant mortality or wars for the wealthy. We have to draw the line somewhere and stand and fight like there is no tomorrow because for some it's true. We need and can do better than Clinton.

Wry Grin

(2 posts)
14. If Only
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

It's not as if anyone in America would really have any say anyway.



In strategic population centers of over 40 states, actual counts of real ballots have been replaced by the use of foreign-built devices owned by unaccountable corporations. These electronic systems are proprietary and of undisclosed design, build, programming, and operation. They are vulnerable to easily-concealed manipulations and known to lose, switch, and fake votes. They were unsecured and obsolete when new and that was over a decade ago now. Democracy dies via digital disenfranchisement ...



Some wonder why more tech savvy young people don't turn out to vote. Those young people wonder why they try to call it that.

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eridani

(51,907 posts)
18. Clinton has no coat-tails
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:09 AM
Apr 2016

Repub women who support her will no way vote for Democrats down-ticket. Sanders has been winning the independents (now 42% of the electorate) by huge margins.

21. the right way
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:23 AM
May 2016

Where would we be if Citizens' United were overruled? One day before Citizens' United! Citizens' United is a symptom, not the cause. Please see RepairRestoreSafeguard.org for the causes and the actual solution. (Noncommercial site) Thanks!

CaliDreaming

(12 posts)
22. Obama
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jul 2016

Some people also probably said that Barack Obama was unelectable back in 2008. Look at how that turned out!

Indeed, while the U.S. might not have been ready for an unabashed progressive back in 1972, neither was it ready for things such as same-sex marriage back then! Frankly, things certainly can and sometimes do change *a lot* over 44 years!

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