Should we prepare for a loss in Virginia?

[Legends303]

Last edited Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)

I am getting real nervous about our chances there since the Donna Brazile revelations came out and inner party fighting is starting to rise. Northam only narrowly leading.

This huffington article post says it all

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a006c89e4b04cdbeb34d796?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

[NCTraveler]

1. How would one prepare?

Working toward victory over preparing for a loss seems like the way to go.

[Sneederbunk]

52. Get self-flagellation equipment ready.

[NCTraveler]

57. I always keep mine at the ready.

[crazycatlady]

2. how about channeling energy into phonebanking into VA?

[FSogol]

3. WTF? The election is tomorrow. Knock this bullshit off.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. What you said.

[lagomorph777]

8. +1

Let's not let the nattering nabobs of negativity needle us into nonvoting.

[CountAllVotes]

23. +1,000 !!

n/t

[kstewart33]

25. Bingo. No Debbie Downers, please.

Given we DUers are prone to worry regardless, let's do knock it off. There's enough to worry about nowadays.

[anneboleyn]

94. A lot of low count posters crying DOOM recently! It's really annoying.

These low count posters post these eeyore-like "ohhhhhhhh we've lost....the Dems will never win anything again...nothing will happen ever with Russia....Donna B has exposed us....bwaaaaah!!! It's been going on a lot lately, and it's really irritating.

[FSogol]

95. They all just got quiet.

[LexVegas]

4. We're fine. nt

[maxrandb]

5. Russia Today and BreitFart thanks you for your concern

[MineralMan]

6. Are you a Virginia voter?

If so, please go and vote. If not, ask anyone you know in that state to go and vote. Nothing else will affect the outcome.

[lagomorph777]

9. Negativity will suppress the vote; so yes GOTV!!

[sprinkleeninow]

63. Not a Virginian, but I like 'em.

Gave and gave (small sums), now gived out. I do what I can.

The republucres keep pouring in $$$ for their scummy ads. 🤤

[FSogol]

10. From DU's Terms of service under core principals:

Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting.

[snooper2]

11. what state do you live in? are you going to respond to anyone?

is English your first language?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I am not making any accusations but Russian bots are active on social media.

[HipChick]

17. These 'concern' posts..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Da

[FSogol]

27. And they are usually hit and run posts.

[redstatebluegirl]

32. I think this is a troll.

[Mrs. Overall]

38. I just read this person's other posts--

All of them incite fear and division (from quoting "lib tears" to "Oh no, Trump won debate" to "Blacks kneel at confederate graves out of respect" etc.

All contain odd grammatical issues.

Just sayin'.

[Bleacher Creature]

12. Gillespie has already been declared the winner.

The Virginia Board of Elections has been reading all of the "woe is me" posts on DU and other progressive sites and decided that there's no need to make people drive to their polling places for nothing.

[justhanginon]

14. They were not revelations, they were bullshit!

[Joe941]

15. Not at all. This win is almost certain! Take it to the bank...

... and by bank i mean phone bank.

[underpants]

16. The polls are holding pretty steady. I think the shooting and Trump in general

is way worse for Gillespie than DNC squabbles are for Northam.

Remember Va has gone blue in three straight national elections. We've won the last four Senate races ( Warner barely beat Gillespie in 2014). We've won 3 of the last 4 Gubernatorial races (McDonnell was too picture perfect of a candidate).

It's all GOTV. Will Corey Stewart voters turn out for Gillespie?

Northam brings two new elements:
He's from the Eastern Shore which (I think) tends to be red but the local guy with a shot at Governor could turn a few votes there. I don't think we've ever had a Gov from the Eastern Shore.
VMI - they are red red red but fiercely loyal to each other. Aside from just votes, word of mouth from them could be very important.

[R B Garr]

24. Thx! Great info nt

[underpants]

26. I checked. No Gov from ES. Two counties there

Accomack is red
Northampton is blue

[MiniMe]

18. I think it is very possible

I am not in Virginia, but I'm in Maryland, and we are getting the local TV commercials from both. It is a very nasty campaign, something that Gillespie is very good at.

[lagomorph777]

44. Gillespie shouldn't run those ads in NoVA - very motivating to Dems.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

19. Transparent as glass

[MFM008]

20. The writer

Of the HP article can piss off.

[Lee-Lee]

21. We should always be prepared and have plans for every possible outcome in every race

To not do so is how you end up like we just did in the last race- shocked with no clue how to respond or what to do next.

Any competent leader makes plans for all probably outcomes.

[FSogol]

31. That's dumb. You think a coach getting his team ready for the championship game spends any

time wondering, "what if we lose?"

No, anyone serious puts ALL their effort into winning.

Ratfuckers, fools, and trolls might promote losing, but no one serious would.

[Lee-Lee]

49. This isnt a sporting event

It isn’t over and behind us the next day. The ramifications of a loss begin immediately and are real.

[RhodeIslandOne]

51. Seriously?

The VA Governor's race is not the "championship game" for anyone but VA locals. For the rest of us nationally, it's one important game in a continuing season.

[FSogol]

54. Campaigns are independent things. Northam is trying to win tomorrow, he's not strategizing about

future elections in some continuing season across the country.

Hasn't anyone on DU ever volunteered on a campaign before?

[RhodeIslandOne]

58. I think most in this thread are speaking as DUers in a national sense

Not as Virginia.

[FSogol]

59. Not helpful. We're trying to get out the vote here.

[RhodeIslandOne]

62. No shit?

I’ve been posting GOTV in every Virginia thread for weeks. That doesn’t mean I can’t critique your analogy.

[Joe941]

66. I disagree. This is such a give-me win that we don't need to consider losing.

[Lee-Lee]

69. People said the same thing about the last Presidential race

How did that work out?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. There's nothing in certain in life but death

There's nothing in certain in life but death. That being said, the evidence suggests a Northam win is more likely than not.

[samnsara]

28. well even with the infighting, non-repugs( Ds and Is) arent suicidal...

..are they?

[treestar]

29. No, we should make every attempt to win

Damn this type of thought.

[DFW]

30. "Prepapre for a lose?"

Почему? И по-английски мы говорим "a loss," и не "a lose."

To quote that decades-old Lone Ranger joke, "What do you mean 'we,' white man?"

If Northam loses, I'll be unpleasantly shocked. I'm preparing for a more favorable result.

[Mrs. Overall]

33. You've gone and wrecked my day--I'm now ascared of the lose.

Out of curiosity, I just read your other posts.

You stir fear with lots of odd grammatical issues.

Interesting.

[sprinkleeninow]

65. Dey prodikting lose?

Sawrry, Angleess note moje furst langwage.
Arr vee dobre? 🕵

[Nay]

34. Oh, stop. I've talked to Northam canvassers (who gave me some signs for my yard) and, Larry

Barnett, the Dem whose running for our district's House of Delegates, came by in person last week. We talked a while and he's pretty worked up about Trump getting away with everything. He says he's not the only one -- lots of ppl seem to be quite agitated about what's going on.

And another good development: for the FIRST TIME since I've lived here, the Democrats have papered the county with their signs for Northam, Barnett, Hughes, etc. I'm seeing them on every block. This is a NEW THING. And a good thing. Finally someone heard all our yelling and screaming about planting signs! Drivers need to know, at least, that not everyone in the county is a damn Republican!!! If that's all they learn, it's a huge win!

[Kleveland]

35. The OP title sure sounds like it was written by someone for whom Englis is not a first language.

Wouldn't we say "loss".

A dumbfuck Russian troll would probably use the word "lose".

[nycbos]

36. We should prepare for GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV

[leftynyc]

37. LMAO

you couldn't possibly be more obvious. Try a better translator.

[grantcart]

39. At least he got the spelling right.

Interesting how many bites he got. Wonder if he gets paid by the chomp.

[lpbk2713]

40. Hit & Run Post.

What a coincidence ... It was 6:41 PM in St Petersburg,
prime time when this OP was created.

Come on. You guys aren't even trying hard any more.

[old guy]

41. It is in the hands of the Virginia voters,

for better or worse. Nothing I do or say will change that so I'm not going to feel responsible if the Dem loses nor will I take credit if he wins.

[peggysue2]

42. Should we prepare for a loss?

Short answer: NO!

Not over until it's over. As for Donna Brazile's BS? Read a tweet yesterday from Tom Perrieillo who was on the ground, spending time and shoe leather in support of Northam and the Democratic ticket. He said that Donna B.'s book was not a factor with the people he was meeting. The tweet was something on the order of: "If I had a dollar for every person asking about Donna Brazile, my pockets would still be empty."

Last two polls I read, Northam is at 50 and 51%. This ain't over unless we become an echo chamber for the Republicans. It's all about getting the vote out now.

[onenote]

109. It's well after 9 pm ET Tuesday

Where are you?

[blueinredohio]

45. Isn't that usually the way? We're ahead all along then we lose by a couple points.

[FSogol]

46. Nope. We win when we get out the vote.

Thanks for your concern.

[onenote]

110. +biggest number ever, plus an example to drive home the point

In case there are any doubters, consider Loudon County Virginia.

Three years ago, in the Gillespie/Warner Senate race, Gillespie won the County by 45,500 to 45,042.

Last night, Gillespie got around 800 additional votes. Northam got over 24,000 additional votes in a 69,710 to 46,278 win.

That's the power of turnout.

[Awsi Dooger]

47. Prepare for a large deficit and then Northam narrow "comeback" victory

That's the way voting results are revealed in Virginia. Never varies. Rural results first so Gillespie figures to lead by low double digits in the early going.

Don't panic. Then northern Virginia steadily shows up and barely pushes it over the top.

The good news with that trend is that once the Democrat takes the lead it's not coming back. The margin only swells in our favor.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

48. A lose?

[RhodeIslandOne]

50. Hit and run n/m

[fescuerescue]

53. You don't have at least 20,000 posts

So no, I'm prepared to win.

[nocoincidences]

55. I'm a Virginian and this is horsesh*t of the stinkiest variety.

Democrats in VA have been very very active about getting out the vote.

No doubts in this household.

[diva77]

56. Considering fact that entire state of VA uses optical scanners, electronic pollbooks

even though they are transitioning out of DREs which were decertified recently, prospects are not good for Northam as polls (whether corrupt or not) show race within a couple of percentage points - neck & neck --

The optical scanners are easy to rig; I am not hopeful with the current situation - whenever races pull this close, repugs mysteriously "win"

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/registration/voting-systems/index.html

I hope Northam will NOT concede in the event that it is called for Gillespie. He should DEMAND a FULL hand counting of the paper ballots with public oversight.

[Atman]

60. Today's Quinnipiac poll has him up by 6 points.

He's leading in every demographic except for Republicans.

But I do agree, optical scanners and e-voting machines are the GOP's best friend. Every election since Bush 2000 has been "razor thin" and down to the wire...and Republicans always seem to win. Hmmm. All since Bush changed the election system to electronic voting machines.

Disclaimer: I used to be an Assistant Registrar of Voters, and I did work for Northam's campaign (the current one, and his previous runs). I'm not exactly unbiased.

[diva77]

61. here is a link to DU post with comparison of polls

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029804265

The Roanoke and Rasmussen polls show a dead heat = repug "win"

Until we have hand counted paper ballots at the precincts with public oversight, how can we trust election results???

[Atman]

70. It's always a "dead heat" in important races.

And that always means the Republicans will turn on their magic machines and the vote will go Red in the wee hours of the night. Happens every time. But I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

[questionseverything]

83. wasn't it the last va gub race whr not all ab ballots were not reported

until someone on twitter brought it up?

charlie cook picked up the tweet if i remember right

watch everything ya can

[Atman]

87. This race pains me.

Ed Guillespie was a darling of the GOP. They'll pull out all of their criminal e-voting stops for him. They really don't care about anything other than the Constitutional ramification...if VA and one other state turn GOP, they can call for a Constitutional Convention and quite literally turn the country back to the 1800s.

I worked on Spanish outreach for the Northam campaign. I did several bi-lingual direct mail pieces, all POSITIVE highlighting Northam's pro-worker positions. Maybe that is the Democrats' problem. Guillespie slithered into the gutter and ushered in bogeymen and evil doers, and it appears to have worked.

Crossing my fingers for Ralph Northam tomorrow. But I know the GOP is capable of all manor of criminal bullshit.

[questionseverything]

89. thank you for your work

tomorrow is a big day!

[diva77]

113. Congrats on Dem victory; thank you for your work on the campaign!

Must've been a landslide...I'll bet the results for votes favoring Northam are a lot higher than what was "counted" by the machines.

[TheFrenchRazor]

74. correct; i for one will not be the least surprised if dems lose, no matter what the polls say. if we

if we do lose, expect the usual choruses of "what went wrong???," how can we GOTV better, and improve the messaging...?? those things are great, but they don't amount to a hill of beans when the vote counting is invisible and unverifiable.

[louis c]

67. 67 replies and not 1 rec.

What's that tell you about the OP?

[SandyZ]

68. I thought Democrats had like a 6% lead?

[DFW]

96. We didn't

It turned out to be bigger than that

[SandyZ]

99. A loud ha ha ha ha. You are right. My bad. Lol. Thanks.

[StevieM]

71. What election is he watching. Gillespie closed the margin by launching attacks that have nothing to

do with the economy.

But somehow he is telling us about a race where the Democrats are ignoring the economy?

[uponit7771]

72. Brazil is inside baseball, few retail voters even think about this

[Ken Burch]

73. Note the low post count.

n/t.

[guillaumeb]

76. It does hit the memes. eom

[MyNameGoesHere]

75. Classic hit and run.

[guillaumeb]

77. No counter-responses from you so far.

An interesting post.

[ChubbyStar]

79. Poster took the time to change lose to loss in the OP

Yet couldn't be bothered to add a comment. Also 8 posts in 90 days AND A HIDE. Seriously?

[guillaumeb]

80. The poster might have had other obligations.

I sometimes post and leave but I generally respond to replies.

[ChubbyStar]

81. I agree

But I would think fixing a typo would be less important to me than clarifying my point. Maybe I'm weird.

[anneboleyn]

97. A bunch of low count doom and gloom types recently. It's ridiculous.

[guillaumeb]

112. Even more ridiculous writing on Wednesday. eom

[spooky3]

78. Let the warm glow of a confident McAuliffe comfort you.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9806129

[spooky3]

105. I hope Terry has a fun victory lap tomorrow.

[ileus]

84. 10pt slam dunk....we remain in power in Virginia.

The's R's will never win in a statewide election again in Virginia.

[Pope George Ringo II]

85. Heck, I'm prepared, ready, and eager for a loss in VA

Gillespie's.

[ornotna]

86. Oh hell no

[BootinUp]

116. LMAO.

[GaryCnf]

88. Just stop

[JI7]

90. What is the Point of This ? what the fuck does "Prepare to Lose" Mean ?

if we lose, then we will lose like we have many times before and will lose in the future.

what the fuck does prepare to lose mean ? prepare how ? you mean give up before the election has taken place ?

i never get the point of these type of posts just before the election. there is no point in it other than to bring everything down.

it doesn't give any advice on how to make sure we could win such as asking people to volunteer to drive people or whatever else.

[LovingA2andMI]

91. Officially Calling the BS On This....

Since Northham in Virginia WON and Donna Brazile's Book Had NO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME!!! And it's Well Before 9 pm ET....

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[obamanut2012]

92. too bad, so sad

[denbot]

93. You may want to hold off on that..

Just saying..

[DFW]

98. Like permanently! n/t

[Wolf Frankula]

101. No, a Win

Wolf

[Demsrule86]

102. So...we won...hahah.

[ProfessorGAC]

103. D'Oh!!!

Well called!

[bronxiteforever]

106. Lmao

[louis c]

104. Nice Fuckin' prediction

[DemocratSinceBirth]

107. нет

[Kingofalldems]

108. Oops.

[L. Coyote]

111. RU still here?

Or, lemme guess, back in Russia?

[Stinky The Clown]

114. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You lose.

Thanks for playing the game. A home version is on its way to St Petersburg in your name. I'm sure there are bots there who will love it.

[VermontKevin]

115. This aged well.