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Heath Mello loses his bid for Mayor of Omaha. (Original Post) nikibatts May 2017 OP
That's too bad. Cha May 2017 #1
Hopefully we have better luck in GA Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #2
Right, for Jon Ossoff! Cha May 2017 #4
Me too WellDarn May 2017 #35
Too bad, it would have been a shot in the arm. Demsrule86 May 2017 #3
So what message is that? WellDarn May 2017 #5
"Is it that a different, but maybe even larger, segment of Cha May 2017 #6
Word. NurseJackie May 2017 #7
I was just going to say the same to you.. Cha May 2017 #8
We heard the "needed" message, but thanks for repeating it WellDarn May 2017 #9
Why are you bringing Senator Kaine into this? Cha May 2017 #11
Because Senator Kaine WellDarn May 2017 #25
+1 QC May 2017 #26
As you've been told.. Senator Kaine didn't vote against Cha May 2017 #29
Exactly. JTFrog May 2017 #36
We've had this EXACT same conversation before, haven't we? Only perhaps... NurseJackie May 2017 #46
Yeah, in April.. the same bullshit about Senator Cha May 2017 #48
Lots of those posts got removed because they falsely slammed Democrats... (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #64
Heck, I got removed for praising someone trying to help Alice11111 May 2017 #154
exactly. m-lekktor May 2017 #30
What part of "voting record" is unclear? ehrnst May 2017 #56
Since you were so kind as to offer help WellDarn May 2017 #114
Votes count more than personal beliefs. ehrnst May 2017 #115
I debated whether to respond with a counter-challenge or an explanation WellDarn May 2017 #117
But their votes are what counted, right? ehrnst May 2017 #120
I know this will be difficult for some, but the most likely reason Mello lost is because still_one May 2017 #107
Cannot disagree at all WellDarn May 2017 #113
What do you think that motivation was? (Nt) ehrnst May 2017 #116
Omaha went for Sen Obama in 2008 & Pres Obama in 2012 Cha May 2017 #141
You got any hard data from Omaha to back up your claims? emulatorloo May 2017 #128
My claim is WellDarn May 2017 #129
Ah I thought you were claiming Dems sat home in Omaha emulatorloo May 2017 #130
That's my fault WellDarn May 2017 #131
Totally understand emulatorloo May 2017 #132
Tim Kaine never voted against women...Mello did repeatedly Demsrule86 May 2017 #12
Yas! (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #19
Excellent post, Demsrule! Cha May 2017 #24
Thanks...I get tired of the false equivalency. Demsrule86 May 2017 #73
And the passive aggressive "can someone explain to me..." posts ehrnst May 2017 #83
Right...if Sen. Sanders had not endorsed Mello, they would not care about a mayor's race in Demsrule86 May 2017 #85
But now, because of the endorsment, there seems to be this line in the sand ehrnst May 2017 #90
I wonder too...and Mello supported the pipeline and when I pointed it out... Demsrule86 May 2017 #103
+1,000,000 Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #155
What are OUR LIVES worth to you? JTFrog May 2017 #32
Research? WellDarn May 2017 #38
In other words, not that important. JTFrog May 2017 #40
Just a quick research on Mello's past legislature against Women's Rights Cha May 2017 #45
Because all 10,000 are Democrats WellDarn May 2017 #122
Does that include black women? MountCleaners May 2017 #160
Yeah, you obviously haven't done your research.. Cha May 2017 #44
See #118 n/t WellDarn May 2017 #121
Don't try to get out of not having done your Cha May 2017 #133
See #118 n/t WellDarn May 2017 #135
BS endorsed the "Aggressively anti-choice" Mello.. Cha May 2017 #137
I'll go part way on this WellDarn May 2017 #139
Try researching some more. He INTRODUCED a bill in the Nebraska legislature... George II May 2017 #58
Why yes, did you miss the 20+ years of urban genocide that followed? n/t WellDarn May 2017 #119
I see that one is just spouting nonsense.. Cha May 2017 #136
Here is Mello's voting record: ehrnst May 2017 #66
Results with Mello casting a vote for the other side WellDarn May 2017 #118
So you agree that it was more than "one vote" Good - that's cleared up. ehrnst May 2017 #125
You know what's binary? ehrnst May 2017 #92
Do YOUR research of Mello's legislative history as state Senator musette_sf May 2017 #106
But all of the sudden, if a protest vote would not have made a difference ehrnst May 2017 #127
Well if you do research you learn what this man is and the laws he tried to make. Ninsianna May 2017 #144
So you established Mello was "aggressively anti-choice." WellDarn May 2017 #145
"Purity" on the issue of women's health care is a basic for the Democratic party ehrnst May 2017 #146
We do not disagree WellDarn May 2017 #149
When did anyone say that they were "happy, satisfied or empowered" by a Democratic loss? ehrnst May 2017 #150
No no no WellDarn May 2017 #156
Where in the OP did anyone say that they were "happy, satisfied or empowered" by a Democratic loss? ehrnst May 2017 #158
I think we're just going to have to disagree WellDarn May 2017 #159
"Disagree" on what is in the OP, that we can read right now? ehrnst May 2017 #161
So it doesn't post a link WellDarn May 2017 #162
That would be a question you should direct to the author of the OP, Not me. ehrnst May 2017 #163
Thank you for the advice WellDarn May 2017 #164
Whatever. ehrnst May 2017 #178
Thank you! Cha May 2017 #42
Kaine is better than Bob Casey, but both voted against... moriah May 2017 #67
I thought that it was interesting that a candidate in a mayoral race was chosen for ehrnst May 2017 #72
Yeah, it's odd that someone more invested in human rights wouldn't be chosen. It was obvious Mello bettyellen May 2017 #80
Does seem like that doesn't it? (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #82
Almost a rebuke to the women's march, to be honest. No one wants to admit it's bettyellen May 2017 #86
Yes, I think that there is some muscle flexing going on ehrnst May 2017 #96
I'm past examining the misogyny and at the point where I am demanding men support us vocally. No bettyellen May 2017 #99
Old white men and their trickle-down social justice policies ehrnst May 2017 #102
Yeah, that they don't see a problem with their me-first method while bettyellen May 2017 #105
Jane Kleeb is the chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska... Demsrule86 May 2017 #87
This Jane Kleeb? ehrnst May 2017 #95
Yep that is her...she gushed about how great it was to have a 'pro-life' candidate Demsrule86 May 2017 #101
People who oppose legal abortion can vote any way they want. ehrnst May 2017 #104
I agree. Demsrule86 May 2017 #108
What does Tim Kaine of Virginia have to do with Heath Mello's defeat? George II May 2017 #68
Oh, you know, standard accusations of hypocrisy. moriah May 2017 #69
Nothing, but he was HRC's running mate. ehrnst May 2017 #71
And he went down to Georgia to visit Carter in the middle of the run off and didn't even Demsrule86 May 2017 #15
+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #18
Teach! Teach! brush May 2017 #79
Agreed Gothmog May 2017 #84
Thanks, no telling how many more times you'll be posting this. R B Garr May 2017 #175
They are most certainly are ignoring the Cha May 2017 #177
"Unity not Purity" is not the message that was sent by those who endorsed Mello. ehrnst May 2017 #20
And yet WellDarn May 2017 #27
Bullshit. JTFrog May 2017 #37
No, it was not. ehrnst May 2017 #49
It is always about Sanders... I don't think it is true....but who cares anyway? Demsrule86 May 2017 #88
Truth WellDarn May 2017 #123
When did Omaha Nebraska become a "major US city"? I'll avoid commenting about the rest... George II May 2017 #55
Never...in my opinion. Demsrule86 May 2017 #89
It's the 43rd largest city in the US WellDarn May 2017 #126
I'm really sorry Mello wasn't elected, but Republicans Hortensis May 2017 #109
Thank you for this WellDarn May 2017 #112
And I this post. I certainly understand your anger and frustration, Hortensis May 2017 #140
That's a hard truth to swallow WellDarn May 2017 #142
I have no doubt that Mello would be better than the GOP but do we really want to surrender to the Demsrule86 May 2017 #10
We are told to do this EVERY SINGLE ELECTION. alarimer May 2017 #13
That's not how I see it. yardwork May 2017 #17
Agree. (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #21
I agree with you. JTFrog May 2017 #31
Well that was the tone of the OP, along with others on the thread. alarimer May 2017 #47
And you continue the straw man arguments. yardwork May 2017 #53
Constantly? All the time? ehrnst May 2017 #63
Like every single fucking election alarimer May 2017 #65
Can you be more specific about this? ehrnst May 2017 #70
It has nothing to do with Sen. Sanders...and why so focused on one guy? Demsrule86 May 2017 #34
perfectly said, thank you. trc May 2017 #41
The problem is with who has appointed himself the power to define "true blue progressive" ehrnst May 2017 #52
And the definition keeps changing almost from day to day based on what? Demsrule86 May 2017 #74
I wish he would have won.. It wasn't that BS Cha May 2017 #39
I wish he would have won too... Demsrule86 May 2017 #166
Yep.. turns out it got the repubs Cha May 2017 #168
Yep...we may yet win...not unusual when an area is trending say blue for presidential races Demsrule86 May 2017 #171
Senator Heitkamp is from North Dakota. Cha May 2017 #172
Thanks for that...I am lazy...could have looked it up but I still think Nebraska may yet trend blue Demsrule86 May 2017 #173
That is not the case. Then negatives against him were his counter-progressive positions. George II May 2017 #91
This has nothing to do with Sanders...I could not care a less who Sanders endorses...unless I view a Demsrule86 May 2017 #165
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy. yardwork May 2017 #14
I have been scratching my head about the mixed messages for months. boston bean May 2017 #16
Yep...it basically boils down to because I said so...no rationality. Demsrule86 May 2017 #167
I know right. Something's Cha May 2017 #23
It's all about somebody's ego. yardwork May 2017 #59
Wow.. I did Not know that about Heath Cha May 2017 #22
but but but third way politics is bad... JHan May 2017 #28
Must add copious amounts of "Establishment Establishment Cha May 2017 #33
Nearly. ehrnst May 2017 #51
Oh yeah.. I forgot those, too. That's another Cha May 2017 #54
"Authoritarian" is another big one BumRushDaShow May 2017 #57
Oh yeah, "authoritarian" by those acting Cha May 2017 #138
true, that's the new one. JHan May 2017 #61
You have to work in neoliberal and corporatist. SaschaHM May 2017 #60
lol JHan May 2017 #62
Don't forget oligarchy. Preferably with lots of !!!!! yardwork May 2017 #78
Oh right - Big money supported gonna turn us over to the war machine and wall street ehrnst May 2017 #98
Right? Demsrule86 May 2017 #76
If the future of the Democratic Party involves not advocating for basic health care for women ehrnst May 2017 #50
Exactly. People like Mello can not be the face or the future of the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 May 2017 #75
Given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who sounds like a Republican Warpy May 2017 #152
This is interesting Gothmog May 2017 #43
But he will run again.... riversedge May 2017 #77
What lesson? he will run in Nebraska...I live in Ohio... Demsrule86 May 2017 #93
I am sorry to say! imanamerican63 May 2017 #81
Sorry you are stuck with the GOP ass...better luck next time. Demsrule86 May 2017 #94
Every onnce in awhile we get a gift, but not too often! imanamerican63 May 2017 #97
I used to live in Georgia...Ohio is not much better but I live in a gerrymandered area where Demsrule86 May 2017 #100
That's interesting.. thanks, imanamerican Cha May 2017 #143
It is about Bernie's endorsement Jake Stern May 2017 #110
I didn't support John Bel Edwards and was not told to. ehrnst May 2017 #111
It wasn't that BS endorsed Mello.. Cha May 2017 #134
Take that Sanders! romanic May 2017 #124
Bernie Sanders campaigning for Heath Mello was 'a colossal mistake,' UNO professor says ehrnst May 2017 #147
I read that.. and yet Obama won Omaha twice. Cha May 2017 #148
Paul Landow TOTALLY NAILED IT! Right on target! The things we do for vanity's sake and our own egos NurseJackie May 2017 #157
+1000 Demsrule86 May 2017 #170
Valient Effort! Thank you for trying. Often, these things Alice11111 May 2017 #151
You have to run in a way that suits your city...Mello is in a conservative area Demsrule86 May 2017 #169
I thought the same about Bernie's endorsement, but Alice11111 May 2017 #174
Maybe next time. Demsrule86 May 2017 #176
Here is the Omaha World Hearld's assessment still_one May 2017 #153
 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
35. Me too
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:30 AM
May 2017

But we seriously need to get to work.

GA-6 is demographically hostile so GOTV might not be enough.

We have two great issues right now (for any voter who is not just, well, deplorable), the health care debacle (particularly its impact on employer-provided plans) and the Tuesday Afternoon Massacre. What's more, as much as I wish it wasn't a factor, we have the money.

I know am doing what I can because I am geographically close, but most people in GA-6 don't really care about what people like me think. We do, however, have powerful voices in this race and we all need to support them.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
5. So what message is that?
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:11 AM
May 2017

Is it that a large and important segment of our party will put a Republican in office if Democrats run a Catholic politician (well, unless that Catholic is chosen by an "acceptable" Democrat)?

Is it that a different, but maybe even larger, segment of our party will "teach Bernie a lesson" by openly campaigning against anyone he supports?

Is it that both of these segments are willing to put a cop-loving, "All Lives Matter," racist Republican into a mayoral position (a position with SUBSTANTIAL influence over police practices and NO influence over issues related to choice) in a major US city with 14% black population (heretofore known as "targets&quot ?

Perhaps you should clarify what message was sent because I will tell you that the people I talk to, the people I live with, the people that best cower every time a cop looks their way are just about over it.

Unity not purity.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
6. "Is it that a different, but maybe even larger, segment of
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:25 AM
May 2017

our party will "teach Bernie a lesson" by openly campaigning against anyone he supports?"

What?! It wasn't that BS campaigned for Mello.. it was the way he held up the "aggressively anti-choice" candidate as the "progressive" and said he didn't even know who Jon Ossoff was on Election day in Georgia.

".. teach him a lesson.."? maybe he needs to learn from this.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
8. I was just going to say the same to you..
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:29 AM
May 2017

Thank you!

Shine the Light on the TRUTH Enough with the Spinning Already

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
9. We heard the "needed" message, but thanks for repeating it
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:34 AM
May 2017
"Maybe Bernie needs to learn from this"


I hope OUR LIVES are worth you getting that message out.

Tim Kaine sends his regards . . . oh wait, never mind . . . the message had nothing to do with choice, did it?


 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
25. Because Senator Kaine
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017

is a highly respected Democrat and deservedly so, notwithstanding his widely known opinion that a fetus becomes a living being at the moment of conception.

Because Senator Kaine shares that opinion with other Catholic Democrats, like Heath Mello.

Because this massive mobilization to defeat DEMOCRAT Heath Mello has nothing to do with Mello's position on "life" and everything to do with trying to marginalize Senator Sanders and minimize his influence on Democratic Party policies.

Because sacrificing an opportunity to put a Democrat in charge of a city with a black population greater than the national average when Republican's from the Trump on down are basically calling on cities to continue the slaughter of young black males to "purify" the Democratic Party of "leftists" is too great of a price to pay.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
29. As you've been told.. Senator Kaine didn't vote against
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:25 AM
May 2017

Women.

Heath Mello who was an "aggressively anti-choice" candidate did.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
36. Exactly.
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:31 AM
May 2017

Kaine may be against abortion but he votes the Democratic platform and would never throw women under the bus. Mello is just a misogynistic fucking asshole.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. We've had this EXACT same conversation before, haven't we? Only perhaps...
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:15 AM
May 2017

... maybe it was interrupted previously. I can't recall if it was this user or some other user... but the whole thing is just a repeat of what's been said before. Or maybe I'm remembering incorrectly... but it sure does seem familiar.



Cha

(319,089 posts)
48. Yeah, in April.. the same bullshit about Senator
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:21 AM
May 2017

Kaine being just like Mello. It didn't work then and it's not working now. It's simply not reality based.

Howdy

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
64. Lots of those posts got removed because they falsely slammed Democrats... (nt)
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:17 AM
May 2017

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
154. Heck, I got removed for praising someone trying to help
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:43 PM
May 2017

Us w healthcare now, for relitigating the primaries, or some such. I think a few people get an artificial feeling of power by just punching the alert buttons, and they don't even read the post...because the alert reason is clearly not connected to what the post said.

Personally, I think it should be harder to alert than just impulsively hitting the key. Suggestion: Maybe going to a special place for alerts, posting and identifying, linking the post, and explaining why the post is related to the rule said to be broken. This would save time for the reviewers too.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. What part of "voting record" is unclear?
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:46 AM
May 2017

A politician's opinion is not one's "position" - that is determined by one's votes.

Kaine's voting record is very pro-choice, and Mello's is not.

Is that clearer?

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
114. Since you were so kind as to offer help
Wed May 10, 2017, 02:53 PM
May 2017

Let me see if I can return the favor.

Not one of Mello's votes made a difference. They didn't change the outcome.

And personally-held beliefs, matters of conscience, are indeed, "positions"

These are distinctions without differences and the only distinction that mattered to those who were behind throwing this Democrat under the bus was the distinction that Mello was supported by a person who those people STILL blame for 2016.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
115. Votes count more than personal beliefs.
Wed May 10, 2017, 02:55 PM
May 2017

And if votes that don't change outcomes "don't count" then please explain this reaction from Sanders on a vote that was symbolic?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/12/sanders-slams-democrats-who-voted-pharmaceutical-industry/96506340/

I understand you are upset that Bernie didn't get the support you thought he should on this endorsement.

Just own that, please, and don't try to convince yourself that it was a sign of hippocrisy in Democrats that are pro-choice. The "you supported Kaine and he's not really different than Mello because Catholic" whine has been shot down as faulty several times here on DU because of voting records. Which seem very, very important to Bernie when they don't go his way.

Is that clearer?



 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
117. I debated whether to respond with a counter-challenge or an explanation
Wed May 10, 2017, 03:07 PM
May 2017

Oh, heck, let's do both.

I will be glad to when Sanders' detractors explain why they defended those voting for the pro-Big Pharma on the grounds that it was merely symbolic.

But, there's a real answer as well. Sanders criticized those votes not based solely on the eventual impact of the bill, but also because they came from politicians who had accepted large amounts of money from the pharmaceutical industry. The subject of his criticism was as much of money in politics as the bill itself.

That being said, I happen to believe his reasoning in this area are naïve. Taking money out of politics, even though it may well be the right thing to do, cannot be a one way street. Yes, someone like Sanders can raise plenty through little donors, but in local and regional races (for example, the extremely competitive one in GA-6) we need money from any source who will provide it.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
120. But their votes are what counted, right?
Wed May 10, 2017, 03:12 PM
May 2017

And Sanders was well funded by the NRA, so there's that.

And yes, it was symbolic - meant to catch GOP in the act:

"There’s clearly room for bipartisan movement on this issue. But if Democrats can’t overcome the powerful Washington lobbies to even make a mostly symbolic vote like the one on Wednesday night’s amendment, they’ll likely remain a party in disarray. And we’ll all continue to pay a high price for that—both in our politics and in our pocketbooks."


http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/01/12/americans_want_to_buy_cheaper_medicine_from_canada_why_did_12_democrats.html


BERNIE SANDERS INTRODUCED a very simple symbolic amendment Wednesday night, urging the federal government to allow Americans to purchase pharmaceutical drugs from Canada, where they are considerably cheaper. Such unrestricted drug importation is currently prohibited by law.


https://theintercept.com/2017/01/12/cory-booker-joins-senate-republicans-to-kill-measure-to-import-cheaper-medicine-from-canada/


So yes, Bernie will angrily denounce anyone who votes a way he doesn't like, but will disregard their voting on issues he doesn't find very relevant - like women's health care. And, yes, it was a symbolic amendment, and yes Mello's votes counted more than that symbolic amendment.

Perhaps you weren't aware that there was an entire law addressing importating cheaper drugs from Canada that was being introduced that would have been far more reaching than this symbolic amendment that was simply to 'catch' infidels in the act, and actually did address the safety issues that were not addressed in the symbolic "gotcha" amendment - that was branded as a Bernie amendment despite being co-written by Amy Klobuchar. Perhaps that was why it got more attention than this:

https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/2017/1/senators-klobuchar-and-mccain-introduce-the-safe-affordable-drugs-from-canada-act
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
107. I know this will be difficult for some, but the most likely reason Mello lost is because
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:36 PM
May 2017

Nebraska is a red state, and he is a Democrat.

The final results were 53% to 46%, and that is a pretty large spread. The election wasn't that close.

I know many here are optimistic regarding Ossoff in the Georgia 6th district, but that is an uphill fight. This was Newt Ginrich, and Tom Prices district after all.

The one interesting dynamic that has changed in that election is there just might be an effect from the firing of the FBI director, but that remains to be seen in an extremely red district in Georgia


 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
113. Cannot disagree at all
Wed May 10, 2017, 02:46 PM
May 2017

Which makes the motivation behind the OP "curious" wouldn't you say?

Cha

(319,089 posts)
141. Omaha went for Sen Obama in 2008 & Pres Obama in 2012
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:53 PM
May 2017
However, Obama narrowly defeated McCain in Nebraska's 2nd congressional district, which contains Omaha and the surrounding areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Nebraska,_2008

..but Democrat Barack Obama still won an electoral vote from the state. Nebraska's 2nd congressional district, home to Omaha, had split with the rest of the state and awarded one of Nebraska's electoral votes to a Democratic presidential nominee for the first time since 1964.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Nebraska,_2012

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
128. You got any hard data from Omaha to back up your claims?
Wed May 10, 2017, 05:16 PM
May 2017

Like exit polls for example?

Btw Welcome to DU!

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
129. My claim is
Wed May 10, 2017, 06:04 PM
May 2017

That the OP statement that a "message was sent" by a Democrat's defeat has no place here.

That goes as much for Mello's defeat as any other candidate's defeat.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
130. Ah I thought you were claiming Dems sat home in Omaha
Wed May 10, 2017, 06:10 PM
May 2017

Now I totally get what you are saying and agree:

That the OP statement that a "message was sent" by a Democrat's defeat has no place here.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
12. Tim Kaine never voted against women...Mello did repeatedly
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:44 AM
May 2017

in the legislature. As for Senator Sanders...all we have recently is division and controversy...He should head back to the Senate and work to stop Trump. It will be the fight of his life and ours.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
83. And the passive aggressive "can someone explain to me..." posts
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:51 PM
May 2017

that are begging for a chance to get on a soapbox...

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
85. Right...if Sen. Sanders had not endorsed Mello, they would not care about a mayor's race in
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:53 PM
May 2017

Nebraska.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
90. But now, because of the endorsment, there seems to be this line in the sand
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:58 PM
May 2017

drawn between people who think that something as minor as women's health and life has the potential to distract politicians from "illegal wars" and "the keystone pipeline" with their "purist" attitudes and those of us who think that women's lives and health are at least as important.

I wonder if that line was drawn purposefully.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
103. I wonder too...and Mello supported the pipeline and when I pointed it out...
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:11 PM
May 2017

I was told it didn't matter because a mayor has no say in the environment...really?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
32. What are OUR LIVES worth to you?
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

Women are the ones being thrown under the fucking bus again.

There is a huge difference between a politician with personal beliefs who votes with the Democratic platform and a politician that signs laws that will kill women. Which one do you think Mello was? Do some fucking research.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
38. Research?
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:42 AM
May 2017

What law did MELLO SIGN?

Oh yeah, NONE.

Oh yeah, that's right, he cast a meaningless vote on a bill whose fate was a forgone conclusion. That's it. OTHERWISE he is a mirror image of our last Vice-presidential candidate.

I wish we could say the same for the Democrats who cued up to vote for the Omnibus Crime Bill (a/k/a the Urban Genocide Act), the ones who voted for the AEDPA, and the ones who cued up to support the whitewashes in Ferguson, Detroit, Cleveland, New York, and Baltimore . . . every one of whom I have supported ANYWAY.

But, then again, I know that in a binary system, winning is everything.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
40. In other words, not that important.
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:51 AM
May 2017

Got it. Heard that before.

Women are sick of being thrown under the fucking bus.

That is the message. That is why you've seen women out in the streets in numbers. That is why we are so fucking pissed. Get used to it. No amount of spinning is going to make this mean what you want it to mean.

10,000 Democratic women have signed up to run for office. You will soon hear us roar.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
45. Just a quick research on Mello's past legislature against Women's Rights
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:06 AM
May 2017
Omaha Mayoral Candidate Under Fire For Anti-Choice Past Vows To Protect Reproductive Rights

snip//

Mello co-sponsored a bill in 2009 requiring women to be informed that they could see an ultrasound before having an abortion, a move that national groups appeared to be unaware of until just now. Rewire reports further:

Mello is a sponsor of the final version of a 20-week abortion ban approved by the governor in 2010, and cast anti-choice votes in favor of requiring physicians to be physically present for an abortion in order to impede access to telemedicine abortion care, and a law banning insurance plans in the state from covering abortions. He was endorsed in 2010 by anti-choice group Nebraska

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omaha-mayoral-candidate-under-fire-says-he-would-never-do-anything-to-restrict-access-to-reproductive-health-care_us_58f8e868e4b018a9ce590a84?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
160. Does that include black women?
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:58 PM
May 2017

Because you're ignoring the point of this election's effect on black people - you refuse to address the point.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
44. Yeah, you obviously haven't done your research..
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:02 AM
May 2017
Omaha Mayoral Candidate Under Fire For Anti-Choice Past Vows To Protect Reproductive Rights

snip//

Mello co-sponsored a bill in 2009 requiring women to be informed that they could see an ultrasound before having an abortion, a move that national groups appeared to be unaware of until just now. Rewire reports further:

Mello is a sponsor of the final version of a 20-week abortion ban approved by the governor in 2010, and cast anti-choice votes in favor of requiring physicians to be physically present for an abortion in order to impede access to telemedicine abortion care, and a law banning insurance plans in the state from covering abortions. He was endorsed in 2010 by anti-choice group Nebraska

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omaha-mayoral-candidate-under-fire-says-he-would-never-do-anything-to-restrict-access-to-reproductive-health-care_us_58f8e868e4b018a9ce590a84?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Cha

(319,089 posts)
137. BS endorsed the "Aggressively anti-choice" Mello..
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:37 PM
May 2017

who was touted as a "progressive" .. and at the same time BS "didn't know who the "Pro-Choice" candidate, Jon Ossoff, for the valuable House seat, even was.

I hope BS learns not to divide.. he didn't think Jon Ossoff was "progressive".. that's a purity test.

But the most puzzling development this week is Sanders's decision to keep Georgia special election candidate Jon Ossoff at arms-length. Sanders hasn't endorsed Ossoff, and in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, he seemed to suggest Ossoff's progressive bona fides were in question.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/20/bernie-sanderss-strange-behavior/?utm_term=.09342a28e9b7
 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
139. I'll go part way on this
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:50 PM
May 2017

I think it is a legitimate point to say that calling Mello "progressive" is pretty much whacked. You can be a Democrat and deserving of every Democrat's vote when running against a Republican and be weak on choice but no way, no how, are you a progressive. Bernie is just wrong on that score.

The stuff about Ossoff, though, is just Bernie hating garbage. Bernie did not say Ossoff was not a progressive. Indeed Ossoff is obviously progressive and has not just my support but the support of everyone I know. Unfortunately, in GA-6 I think the support of people who look like me is not much help. I'm good on a phone and not bad with a checkbook though so I am doing what I can.

Btw, when we arr both looking forward, you and I are looking the same way (and I just don't mean the same direction).

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Try researching some more. He INTRODUCED a bill in the Nebraska legislature...
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:58 AM
May 2017

...regarding ultrasound. You can go with that on Google to see what it was all about.

What is that "Omnibus Crime Bill" that you're talking about? The one way back in the 1990s?

Cha

(319,089 posts)
136. I see that one is just spouting nonsense..
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:30 PM
May 2017

can't handle that Heath Mello was an "aggressively anti-choice" candidate who was touted as a "progressive" by BS.. and at the same time BS "didn't know who the "Pro-Choice" candidate, Jon Ossoff, for the valuable House seat, even was.i

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
66. Here is Mello's voting record:
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
May 2017

BTW, it was way more than one vote:

May 23, 2011 LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (38 - 9) Yea

May 12, 2011 LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate (37 - 7) Yea

April 12, 2010 LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate (44 - 5) Yea

April 12, 2010 LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 9) Yea

May 29, 2009 LB 675 Establishes Procedures for Ultrasounds Performed Prior to Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 5) Yea


Is that clearer?

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/103098/heath-mello/2/abortion#.WRMvV4grIdU

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
118. Results with Mello casting a vote for the other side
Wed May 10, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

May 23, 2011 LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (37 - 10) Nay

May 12, 2011 LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate (36 - 8) Nay

April 12, 2010 LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate (43 - 6) Nay

April 12, 2010 LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate (39 - 10) Nay

May 29, 2009 LB 675 Establishes Procedures for Ultrasounds Performed Prior to Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (39 - 6) Nay

Same result

Is that clearer?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
125. So you agree that it was more than "one vote" Good - that's cleared up.
Wed May 10, 2017, 03:27 PM
May 2017

And here's Corey Booker's voting record on health care:

March 31, 2014 HR 4302 Protecting Access to Medicare Act of 2014 Bill Passed - Senate (64 - 35)

July 16, 2014 S 2578 Protect Women's Health From Corporate Interference Act of 2014 Cloture Not Invoked - Senate
(56 - 43)

So, his getting trashed for refusing to vote for "Bernies'" (and that Klobuchar person) symbolic amendment, and didn't really make a difference to the passing of that symbolic amendment, doesn't take into account Booker's record.

And Sander's vote on the Iraq war resolution wasn't going to make a difference, but he sure does hold it up as a measure of his credibility on it, doesn't he?

So even with your tactic of moving the argument around to "well voting records don't really count if a protest vote wouldn't have made a difference" it still doesn't make the point that others, and not you, are the one who may be talking out both sides of your mouth when it comes to Mello.


Is that clearer?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
92. You know what's binary?
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:59 PM
May 2017

The idea that the issues that affect our lives can't be on equal footing with artificially defined "populist economic issues."

That's what's binary.

musette_sf

(10,487 posts)
106. Do YOUR research of Mello's legislative history as state Senator
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:17 PM
May 2017

You failed to do your research before posting. Here are the bills he sponsored and voted on, and his votes on those bills. Heath Mello has done a great deal to restrict choice.

LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate (44 - 5) Yea
* Co-sponsor of bill

LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 9) Yea

LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate (37 - 7) Yea

LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (38 - 9) Yea

LB 675 Establishes Procedures for Ultrasounds Performed Prior to Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 5) Yea
* Sponsor of bill

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
127. But all of the sudden, if a protest vote would not have made a difference
Wed May 10, 2017, 05:15 PM
May 2017

then it really doesn't matter how they voted.

Unless the vote is on the Iraq war resolution, then a protest vote makes you a saint, apparently. And of course, any vote that is against even so much as a symbolic amendment that Bernie takes credit for - then YOU SHALL NOT PASS through the doorway of the progressive club, no matter what your previous voting or progressive actual accomplishments.

Here is the "argument." https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9043233

Ninsianna

(1,354 posts)
144. Well if you do research you learn what this man is and the laws he tried to make.
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:00 PM
May 2017

20 week BAN on abortion? Oh yeah, that was one he sponsored.

A bill to force the physical presence of a physician, to watch a patient swallow a pill, affecting women in under served areas who would then have to travel at great expense to more populous areas? Oh yeah, he did that too.

A bill to prevent health insurance from covering abortion care? Oh, yeah, that's right, he did that too.

And the ultrasound thing? He was on board for that as well.

Yeah, he PROPOSED and SPONSORED legislation that was designed to harm women, that's kind of a big thing, in no way does this have anything to do with Tim Kaine, and it's absolute bullshit to pretend otherwise.

I'm sorry, but you seem to think that bills that Mello himself created out of thin air due to his right wing extremist beliefs that sought to sadistically punish and harm poor women in rural areas and force them to pay more for basic care, is somehow a "true progressive".

He's not. We don't owe you or any other purity progressive who seems to think he's got some god given right to tell us all what an actual progressive is, ANYTHING.

So anyone who thinks women need to hand over our human rights, our basic right to parity for coverage of our medical needs for the insurance WE PAY for, our rights to access medical care without being forcibly raped by right wing extremists who wish to jam a probe into our bodies against our will, and charge us for the privilege can go f* themselves.

It appears that you do not understand that "winning" doesn't mean supporting the most horrible candidate with a record of seething misogyny who sought to kill and torture women, require state sponsored rape and to charge us for the privilege. It's pretty binary, if this is "progressive", then just stop pretending already and embrace Trump and the right wingers, these are what they stand for, what they fight for, and "winning" with such a person is not winning at all.

This was a bad candidate and those who endorsed this asshat and wasted time, attention and support on him have exposed who they are, and the women who were watching, and who do the damned work for this party and for progressive and liberal values saw what they did, we do not forgive this, we do not forget how easily we were betrayed or by whom.

No amount of whining, false equivalences or purity-splaining will make us forget. Unreliable allies are not allies, and our basic human rights are not up for auction for the most pure white man with a history of trying to force his misogynistic personal vies onto the bodies of women will not be easily forgotten.

Those pink hats you saw en masse around the world, that wasn't about the purity brigade, those were women, and men who respect and love women, and they were out there for women's basic human rights. I guess those who were busy attacking Planned Parenthood as the "establishment" didn't pay attention to which shade of pink that organization uses and why the women of the resistance chose it.

We did our research, we know who Mello was, and what he stood for, and it's MEANINGLESS to ask us to swallow the bullshit and the lies, he was no progressive. He was anti-women and pro-Keystone, and that's not progressive by any actual definition of the term, regardless of the purity of the men who so falsely and stupidly anointed him.

Keep making dumbass decisions like this and the delicate darling men of the supposed left will feel the wrath of the actual left, and those whose work enables it to exist.

Pissing off women is a stupid thing to do and oh yeah, Mello and his buddies did exactly that.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
145. So you established Mello was "aggressively anti-choice."
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:50 AM
May 2017

It was well-known. Nobody disputed it.

You also established that you are a one-issue voter who cares more about purity on the issue of choice than you do the fact that Republicans control all branches of the federal government and almost enough state governments to call for a constitutional convention (and, btw, to eliminate choice entirely because the FIRST amendment the Tea Party will add will declare constitutional fetal personhood).

You also made the point that Bernie was off the beam when he called Mello "progressive" because you cannot be anti-choice and progressive. In fact, you can't accept the Constitution and still be anti-choice because a woman's right to control her body and any fetus which is part of her body is not merely "within the broad penumbra of rights" implied by the 4th Amendment as the Court said in Roe, it is EXPRESSLY GUARANTEED by the 4th Amendment.

Except for the "choice is expressly guaranteed/Roe didn't go far enough" part, not one thing you just spit out was anything less than obvious.

Is there any other obvious fact that you feel the need to explain to me?

By the way, in THIS party women and men do the work together.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
146. "Purity" on the issue of women's health care is a basic for the Democratic party
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:41 PM
May 2017

Just as "purity" on following the Constitution, not violating campaign contribution laws, supporting desgregation of schools and voting rights are basic for the Democratic party.

Saying consensus of medical professionals is a "social issue" and not a medical and public health issue is just as "progressive" as saying that climate change is a "political issue."

Voting in contradiction to the medical profession consensus is indeed as right wing as voting against the consensus of climate change scientists.

Insisting that we respect both physicians and climate scientists doesn't fall into the realm of "purist" it falls into the realm of fact and basic health care. Dismissing those as anything other than core principles "goes off the beam" of progressives.

And it's men who are doing that dismissing, and they will find that women, who are now a majority in the party, will fight that.

Kleeb will find herself on the fringes if she keeps on simply carrying the water for these men.





 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
149. We do not disagree
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:21 PM
May 2017

That choice is one of those issues upon which everyone who claims the mantle of liberal must agree. My point has never been otherwise. In fact, from a Constitutional standpoint, no liberal can even concede that choice is merely an "implied" right under the 4th Amendment for IMHO to do so is to concede that women are less than persons under the Constitution . . . a concession which every liberal must necessarily find reprehensible.

I'm not sure I have been clear about this. Mello's position on choice should be abhorrent to liberals and whether it's Kleeb or Bernie saying otherwise, well, they are just wrong. What I have been trying to get across is that, as a black man, I walk into voting booths time and time again to vote for folks who applaud Darren Wilson and cops in general, welfare reform, drug bills etc which have led to the deaths of thousands of people who look like me, some of which I knew. I do so for one reason, because I know a Republican will kill even more of us.

I'm sorry, but I just disagree that we should be happy, satisfied, or empowered when any Democrat loses to a Republican

I know I don't have that luxury and, though male and though my opinion on the subject honestly does not matter, I don't think women do either.

Btw, thank you for your post.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
150. When did anyone say that they were "happy, satisfied or empowered" by a Democratic loss?
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:26 PM
May 2017

Misrepresenting someone's statements or argument does not give you any credibility.

With anyone.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
156. No no no
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:19 PM
May 2017

Not you . . . The OP . . . Remember . . . It began with a link about Mello losing and then said "Message sent"

You aren't going to say I described the OP unfairly, are you?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
158. Where in the OP did anyone say that they were "happy, satisfied or empowered" by a Democratic loss?
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:48 PM
May 2017

So, yeah, you did describe the OP unfairly.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
159. I think we're just going to have to disagree
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:53 PM
May 2017

On that one.

But thank you for the explanation

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
161. "Disagree" on what is in the OP, that we can read right now?
Thu May 11, 2017, 05:00 PM
May 2017

I don't think so.

I can read it. And it doesn't say what you claim it does.

But thank you for "the explanation."

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
162. So it doesn't post a link
Thu May 11, 2017, 05:56 PM
May 2017

to a story about Mello losing and then state "MESSAGE SENT?

Same question as my very first post, friend . . .

WHAT "MESSAGE" WAS SENT???

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
163. That would be a question you should direct to the author of the OP, Not me.
Thu May 11, 2017, 05:59 PM
May 2017

I think if you look at the name on the OP, you will see it is not mine, friend.

If you want to pick a fight, go find a mirror.

Is that message clear enough for you?





 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
164. Thank you for the advice
Thu May 11, 2017, 06:05 PM
May 2017

Unfortunately I already asked the OP and received no answer. Now that I know that your claim that I had not accurately characterized the OP was made despite your inability/unwillingness to even state what it meant, I will inquire no further.

moriah

(8,312 posts)
67. Kaine is better than Bob Casey, but both voted against...
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:38 AM
May 2017

... reinstating the "Mexico City" policy. Casey got royally bitched out by Catholic authorities but defended the vote as supporting contraception and the idea of preventing unplanned pregnancy as the way to stop abortions, not a governmental payment for foreign abortions.

I really didn't care about a potential Mayor's position on choice. If he ran for a higher office than that he'd better be doing some fast talking, though.

And while I am extremely pro-choice, I wish that Casey could actually accomplish something he said he wanted -- some initiative to reduce abortions by moms who would rather not abort but see no financial way to have the child. I think he was too idealistic to expect Repukes to actually get on board, but it shows that the vast majority of truly "pro-life" people in politics are Democrats. The ones who rejected funding for young moms to be able to keep going to school, increases to the suffering state block grant programs for child care assistance, etc, are simply anti-choice, not pro-life.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
72. I thought that it was interesting that a candidate in a mayoral race was chosen for
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:02 PM
May 2017

holding up like Simba in the Lion King by the outreach director of the Democrats as a metric for "truly progressive."

Especially seeing as it would very likely cause rifts in various groups within the party.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
80. Yeah, it's odd that someone more invested in human rights wouldn't be chosen. It was obvious Mello
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:39 PM
May 2017

Would be an offensive choice to the vast majority of Dems. Almost seems like trying to draw a line in the sand- against Dem women.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
86. Almost a rebuke to the women's march, to be honest. No one wants to admit it's
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:54 PM
May 2017

Women out there 70-80% of the time by all counts- showing up, making calls to congress, going to airports to defend immigrants. I have seen slight mentions of this, and have seen it with my own eyes. This SHOULD be a wake up call for the party. But somehow many are hell bent on ignoring us in favor of our oppressors in the "rust belt". I've had enough.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. Yes, I think that there is some muscle flexing going on
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:03 PM
May 2017

by those that feel validated by November, despite all that we know now.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
99. I'm past examining the misogyny and at the point where I am demanding men support us vocally. No
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:07 PM
May 2017

More going backwards. We're carrying the bulk of water, get behind us or fuck off already.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
102. Old white men and their trickle-down social justice policies
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:09 PM
May 2017

Just return white straight men to the high earning jobs, and they will generously let the rest of us be a part of things.

And they'll stop the wars and welcome immigrants - just like they have in Europe!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
105. Yeah, that they don't see a problem with their me-first method while
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:13 PM
May 2017

Simultaneously claiming it's "for everyone" is galling. Granted many have claimed discrimination is a thing of the past, so there's that too.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
87. Jane Kleeb is the chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska...
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:54 PM
May 2017

I think this is why Sen. Sanders requested that the 'unity' tour stop there.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
95. This Jane Kleeb?
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:02 PM
May 2017

Who got it totally wrong about Mello's "position" - which in political terms means voting record - being "the same" as Biden's or Kaine's?

"I think it was a mistake for Tom Perez to say that he disagrees with Heath Mello, which he said in that statement," Kleeb said. "Because [Mello's] position is the same as Joe Biden's, as Tim Kaine's, many other pro-life Democrats. that is, they personally, because of their Catholic faith, or because of other reasons, their personal stories, [are pro-life]."

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
101. Yep that is her...she gushed about how great it was to have a 'pro-life' candidate
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:09 PM
May 2017

in the 'big tent' with help from Nina Turner.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
104. People who oppose legal abortion can vote any way they want.
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:12 PM
May 2017

But they can't run for office on a Democratic ticket with any success, because they won't be welcome.

Certain people should have learned that by now, instead of continuing to reduce women's health to a "social issue."

moriah

(8,312 posts)
69. Oh, you know, standard accusations of hypocrisy.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:52 AM
May 2017

Notwithstanding that Kaine has always rejected, even when he was getting bad NARAL grades, restrictions on abortion that aren't in line with Roe v Wade despite personal views, while Mello co-sponsored legislation without an enforceable "health and life" exception.

Bob Casey is a more clear case in point. PA, a state that as a Southerner I assumed must be more liberal and progressive than Arkansas but apparently am wrong, had Dems put up Casey to take Santorum's seat. In the Senate he used an opportunity after he knew Obama would veto the legislation to vote for cloture on a 20-week bill with only a life exception, an opportunity Kaine skipped because of no health exception. Though Casey got on with the caucus on the Mexico City policy vote and took heat.

But Kaine was HRC's running mate, so he's the target.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
71. Nothing, but he was HRC's running mate.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:59 AM
May 2017

So his "opinion" is transformed into some sort of "proof" of "hypocrisy" for anyone pointing out Mello's actual voting record.

Prepare for more of this...

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
15. And he went down to Georgia to visit Carter in the middle of the run off and didn't even
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:47 AM
May 2017

visit with Ossoff...don't know ft he would help or hurt...some say the latter...but he should not have gone to Georgia at this time...timing is everything.

R B Garr

(17,984 posts)
175. Thanks, no telling how many more times you'll be posting this.
Fri May 12, 2017, 02:01 PM
May 2017

It's like some are intentionally missing the context to keep a certain narrative going.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
177. They are most certainly are ignoring the
Fri May 12, 2017, 06:45 PM
May 2017

the reality of what actually happen.

It's ridiculous.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. "Unity not Purity" is not the message that was sent by those who endorsed Mello.
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:03 AM
May 2017

Not at all.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
27. And yet
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:22 AM
May 2017

It IS the message that was sent by the very people who cast it aside the minute it would call for voting for a candidate supported by Sanders.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. No, it was not.
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:36 AM
May 2017

Criticizing abandoning women's health is not "purity," it's simply being a "Democrat."

Demonizing politicians with a long history of progressive, Democratic action who vote against a single symbolic amendment is a "purity" test - and one implemented by someone who refuses to join the Democratic party.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
88. It is always about Sanders... I don't think it is true....but who cares anyway?
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:56 PM
May 2017

The primary is over, and the election is over. We have more important tasks.

George II

(67,782 posts)
55. When did Omaha Nebraska become a "major US city"? I'll avoid commenting about the rest...
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:46 AM
May 2017

...of this post since you ask "what message is that" yet then you post a list of the "messages".

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
126. It's the 43rd largest city in the US
Wed May 10, 2017, 04:28 PM
May 2017

Where its 56,000 black residents (at least at some point within the last decade) face a greater risk of being killed than in any other city in the US, a risk compounded by the election of a Republican mayor.

Thanks for asking . . . and caring.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
109. I'm really sorry Mello wasn't elected, but Republicans
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:47 PM
May 2017

carried the day in a traditionally conservative city.

The DNC did send Sanders and Perez, and give money, to try to elect him, and many other Democrats, such as Pelosi, lent their support.

Unfortunate for our unity, SOME people have become very excited, very misdirected I believe in this case, over the threats to women's rights that are actually posed by the right wing. Imo, they were as foolish as any trumpsters in their rush to attack at Democratic candidate and ignore Mello's excellent ratings by women's rights groups.

Also unfortunately, Sen. Sanders seems to have become something of a lightning rod for those people who blame him for our loss in 2016. He tried, but his involvement did not help Mello.

However, let's face it, even if we did everything right Mello would probably have lost. Conservatives are still very united against us, even if divided against each other, and this is a conservative city.

To blame the Democratic Party for conservative votes is as foolish and counterproductive as all the rest. I do agree inflexible "purity" notions and intolerant "you're either with us or your against us" divisiveness simply cannot succeed in the Democratic Party. We are the very definition of diversity and represent a huge range of Americans.

We are the very definition of

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
112. Thank you for this
Wed May 10, 2017, 02:43 PM
May 2017

I have no particular love for Mello, other than that I have a personal interest in getting Republicans out of mayoral positions in cities with large black populations.

I agree that this was going to be a difficult race, regardless (as is GA-6), but the fact is that difficult races are made impossible ones when we can't come together.

Otherwise, I pretty much have to agree with everything you have said.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
140. And I this post. I certainly understand your anger and frustration,
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:51 PM
May 2017

because I share it to some tired, resigned degree. My guess is I could be a few decades older than you, but in any case, we're more united now than I've ever seen us. IF only. It's like gravity, though. For better and worse.

The virtues of liberals and others on the left pretty much guarantee that all major Democratic Party factions simply can't set aside our differences to form into one cohesive team oriented in dutiful opposition of "the other."

And that's conservatives' huge advantage and very dangerous fault--that they can.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
10. I have no doubt that Mello would be better than the GOP but do we really want to surrender to the
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:35 AM
May 2017

GOP...because if this guy is the 'new' Democrat...that is what we have done. His positions are GOP. After all the stuff said about the third way and Hillary Clinton during the election ( which was bullshit by the way). You have progressives like Sen. Sanders and others supporting candidates like Mello that are not progressive at all...I don't get it.


"Mello had cast himself as a next-generation Democrat focused on economic opportunity, while embracing GOP-friendly ideas such as public-private partnerships as a way to solve the city's vexing streets problem. "That's the future of the Democratic Party, in my mind, looking at that pro-growth, progressive, future-focused mentality."

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
13. We are told to do this EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:45 AM
May 2017

Right here all the fucking time.

Now, because this guy, whatever his pros or cons, is not good enough simply because Sanders endorsed him, we are told it's okay that he lost.

Those of us who are not crazy about mainstream Democrats are told to "suck it up- ANY D is better than ANY R." We apparently are only allowed to draw a line in the sand when it comes to abortion. Not about fair pay, saving SS, single payer, or anything else.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
17. That's not how I see it.
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:57 AM
May 2017

First, I don't vote in Omaha, so I didn't have the right to cast a vote in this mayoral election. If I had been able to vote, of course I would have supported the Democrat. I always do. Unlike certain others.

Second, abortion rights as an issue is not more important to me than other planks in the Democratic platform. They're all important. Being a Democrat means supporting Democratic positions. All of them.

Third, I would never applaud the loss of a Democrat just because somebody else endorsed them. That would be stupid.

So at least three of your accusations are wrong.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
47. Well that was the tone of the OP, along with others on the thread.
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

And it has been consistent when it comes to this particular race.

Not all Democrats support all of the platform all of the time. I hear all the time that it's okay that Joe Manchin, say, supports Trump's appointees because he is from WVA and it's a red state, blah, blah, blah. And that he is better than whatever R would replace him. No doubt that's true.

We are also constantly urged to support blue dogs in red states simply because that's all we are going to get. So I see a considerable amount of hypocrisy when it comes to this particular race (also sort of a red state) simply because of Sanders' involvement. Now, I don't give a rat's ass about who's mayor of some stupid city in the Midwest. Just pointing out that *some* of the discussion around this is entirely hypocritical.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
70. Can you be more specific about this?
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:56 AM
May 2017

When you say "all the time" and "constantly" that indicates that you have some specific examples you can share.

Manchin? Can you name some Democratic candidates that "don't stick to the platform" that we are "constantly" told to support?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
34. It has nothing to do with Sen. Sanders...and why so focused on one guy?
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

During the last election Sen. Sanders was against candidates like Mello....we needed true blue progressive candidates (don't believe they can win everywhere but hey I want progressives too). Now he is all for populist candidates that favor public/ private legislation IE selling our roads and bridge like Mello...who threw women under the bus repeatedly with his votes on abortion rights.

Now I have no objection to Mello running in a red area like Nebraska or anywhere he chooses actually. We are the big tent party after all. However, he should not be endorsed by Progressive leaders. Now why was a mayors race such a big deal...you probably know why...Jane Kleeb is the chair of the Nebraska Democratic Party. She worked for Bernie in some capacity. I have no objection for anyone doing a favor for a friend...hey, why not? And this is a red state. We won't do better than Mello. But he can not now or ever be the future of the Democratic Party unless you crave Republican lite.

This is not a referendum on Sen. Sanders...the primary is over and the election is over...yet some who don't agree with him or his choice of candidates to support are portrayed as being against Sen. Sanders...not true...it has nothing to do with the Senator. Time to let it go...not everyone will adore Sen. Sanders and/or agree with every choice he makes, and that is fine. We need to move on and stop Trump...that is our most important challenge. So let's not sow the seeds of division by endorsing candidates who may be controversial...keep the eye on the ball...end Trump's reign of terror. I don't give a damn about Sen. Sanders;he is not a Democrat but votes with us;so it is a symbiotic relationship, and we need all hands on deck. He is not the issue. Trump is.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
52. The problem is with who has appointed himself the power to define "true blue progressive"
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:41 AM
May 2017

And continues to do so.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
39. I wish he would have won.. It wasn't that BS
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:51 AM
May 2017

endorsed Mello, it was the way he propped up the "aggressively anti-choice" candidate as "the progressive" and saying he didn't know the Pro-Choice candidate, Jon Ossoff, in Georgia, on Election Day

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
166. I wish he would have won too...
Fri May 12, 2017, 09:45 AM
May 2017

but he should not be endorsed...I wonder if all this attention made him more likely to lose.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
168. Yep.. turns out it got the repubs
Fri May 12, 2017, 09:52 AM
May 2017

motivated.

But, Obama won Omaha twice ironically enough.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
171. Yep...we may yet win...not unusual when an area is trending say blue for presidential races
Fri May 12, 2017, 10:04 AM
May 2017

and statewide races to be won first by Pres. Obama and isn't Heidi Heitkamp from there? Look at Georgia...when I live there at first the GOP was taking every presidential race but there were Democrats in the House and Senate...and in the legislature ,Zell Miller was governor and Roy Barnes after him...but eventually...it all went red...it looks to be moving the other way now...and maybe Nebraska is too.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
172. Senator Heitkamp is from North Dakota.
Fri May 12, 2017, 10:11 AM
May 2017

Here's to a genuine Blue Wave across the country by 2018 and sooner.. We desperately need it.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
173. Thanks for that...I am lazy...could have looked it up but I still think Nebraska may yet trend blue
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:47 PM
May 2017

George II

(67,782 posts)
91. That is not the case. Then negatives against him were his counter-progressive positions.
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:59 PM
May 2017

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
165. This has nothing to do with Sanders...I could not care a less who Sanders endorses...unless I view a
Fri May 12, 2017, 09:42 AM
May 2017

a lack of endorsement as hurting a particular Democratic candidates like Ossoff...I care only about the Democratic Party and winning the coming elections...I would always vote Dem in any election...but promoting anti-choice candidates is not a good idea period. And after being told about how important it is for candidates to be 'progressive' ( I think all Democrats are progressive) now a pro-life anti-environmental guy is endorsed...you don't see why some might consider this hypocritical? I fail to understand why there is so much angst over one guy...I just don't get why people care so much. I really liked Obama and Howard Dean before him...my two favorite candidates...one won and one lost. I admired them but I was never a political groupie (not saying you are a political groupie;speaking in general terms). I just don't get it.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
14. Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy.
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:45 AM
May 2017

After complaining for years that Democrats aren't progressive enough, the supposedly progressive wing of the party champions a candidate with right wing beliefs? That makes no sense.

boston bean

(36,931 posts)
16. I have been scratching my head about the mixed messages for months.
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:49 AM
May 2017

They want to win conservative voters... by appealing to conservative voters... ok....

Cha

(319,089 posts)
22. Wow.. I did Not know that about Heath
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:05 AM
May 2017

Mello. ".. 3rd way..".. look who's talking. damn

JHan

(10,173 posts)
28. but but but third way politics is bad...
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:23 AM
May 2017

and the reason we always lose, and the reason clinton and obama were so awful... (Am I doing it right?)

Cha

(319,089 posts)
33. Must add copious amounts of "Establishment Establishment
Wed May 10, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

Establishment" vapid insults to the pile.

You can never go wrong with throwing the word "Establishment" around ad nauseam.

Which of course is pure ******* 'cause John Lewis and Planned Parenthood were deemed "establisnment" and they're the kind of people and orgs who are the real leaders.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
61. true, that's the new one.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:03 AM
May 2017

thirdway - identity politics- politricking somethingsomethingsomething

JHan

(10,173 posts)
62. lol
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:07 AM
May 2017

thirdway-identitypolitricking-corporatist neoliberal shilling-somethingsomethingsomethingblahblahblah.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
98. Oh right - Big money supported gonna turn us over to the war machine and wall street
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:06 PM
May 2017

Third way Democrats!!!

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
76. Right?
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:29 PM
May 2017

It was a disaster to go there during the unity tour which did not help with unity.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
50. If the future of the Democratic Party involves not advocating for basic health care for women
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:37 AM
May 2017

then the Party will not have a future.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
75. Exactly. People like Mello can not be the face or the future of the Democratic Party.
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:28 PM
May 2017

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
152. Given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who sounds like a Republican
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:32 PM
May 2017

voters are generally going to choose the real thing. That's been known for years.

He was a lousy candidate. Time to move on.

riversedge

(80,815 posts)
77. But he will run again....
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:31 PM
May 2017

perhaps the lesson was learned by voters???


In thanking supporters, Mello hinted he was hardly finished by Tuesday's defeat.

"Our work does not stop tonight," he said. "It only begins."

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
93. What lesson? he will run in Nebraska...I live in Ohio...
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:01 PM
May 2017

Why should I care unless it is for the Senate or the House...and if he can't win a mayoral race with Jane Kleeb as the chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska backing him and the star power of Sen. Sanders...I am not sure he can ever win.

imanamerican63

(16,183 posts)
81. I am sorry to say!
Wed May 10, 2017, 12:47 PM
May 2017

But Mello was a conservative mined person. He says one thing and then jumps to the other side when it suitable for him. His political values are wasted on pleasing those around him and not the ones who voted for him, i.e. Trump! I am from Omaha and he never came across well to me. He lost by 7% to a mayor that is not liked by anyone. If we wanted to win the local elections we need to have a candidate who is willing and able to put up a fight to the end.

imanamerican63

(16,183 posts)
97. Every onnce in awhile we get a gift, but not too often!
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:05 PM
May 2017

Our last Democrat mayor sold us down the river in Omaha when they built the a baseball stadium for the College Word Series. We will be paying many years to come!

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
100. I used to live in Georgia...Ohio is not much better but I live in a gerrymandered area where
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:07 PM
May 2017

Democrats are shoved in like sardines...so I don't deal with them locally.

Jake Stern

(3,146 posts)
110. It is about Bernie's endorsement
Wed May 10, 2017, 01:47 PM
May 2017

I call bullshit on using Mello's stance on abortion as a reason to reject him considering the breathless imploring by Dems to support unabashedly anti-choice John Bel Edwards.

You know: the same John Bel Edwards who has already signed a bills chock full of anti-choice goodies such one raising the waiting period from 24 hours to 72 hours. Another bill that outlaws D&E abortions, considered the safest method of performing a second trimester abortion and yet another one that forces abortion providers to jump through even more hoops.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. I didn't support John Bel Edwards and was not told to.
Wed May 10, 2017, 02:14 PM
May 2017

Perhaps you could point who was breathlessly imploring Dems to do so? Of course I don't live in Louisiana, and didn't hear about any endorsement of him from anyone in the DNC - which may be why I wasn't paying attention to that race...

Bernie chose to endorse a small city mayoral race candidate and refused to endorse a more nationally important candidate in a congressional race, and refused to call him progressive. And the resulting rift over that line in the sand was not unexpected, I'm sure.

So yes, there's that.

Edited to add: I looked at his voting record on Choice, and it compares with Mello. I guess that won't rule him out as someone that Bernie could endorse. Has he?

And yes, if I lived in Louisiana and had the choice of voting for a Democrat who was anti-choice, and a Republican, I would choose the Democrat, but I would sure as hell not expect the outreach director of the Democratic party to waste time on endorsing him.

Edited to add:

Here are some posts on John Bel Edwards from DU than are less than fawning, so I'm not sure who the breathless implorers are that you speak of:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028812931

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027828472

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027289449

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027286867

Cha

(319,089 posts)
134. It wasn't that BS endorsed Mello..
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:17 PM
May 2017

it's the way he propped up the "aggressively anti-choice" Mello as a "progressive".. and acted like he didn't know who the "Pro-choice" candidate, Jon Ossoff, was in Georgia on Election Day.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
147. Bernie Sanders campaigning for Heath Mello was 'a colossal mistake,' UNO professor says
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:45 PM
May 2017
Mayoral candidate Heath Mello took a gamble when he brought U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders to Omaha to campaign with him.

But not only did that gamble not pay off, some political observers say it might have blunted Mello’s momentum against Mayor Jean Stothert.

Paul Landow, a political scientist and a former Democratic mayoral staffer, called it a “colossal mistake” to bring in Sanders.

“Why do you bring an ultraliberal into a moderate city to campaign for a moderate candidate for mayor?” Landow said. “Bernie Sanders is not going to do anything to expand your base.”

The mayor’s race is officially nonpartisan. But the election became more partisan when the former Democratic presidential candidate appeared with Mello.

His visit came on the heels of a primary election that was a surprise even to Mello’s campaign, with him finishing only 3 percentage points behind the mayor. On Tuesday, Stothert won by close to 7 points.

The Sanders event brought some national attention to the race, but not all of it was positive. Sanders was criticized by some national Democrats for endorsing Mello, who opposes abortion.

The following week, Stothert brought Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican who receives praise from conservatives and criticism from unions. Walker said he wanted to inject some “Midwest values” back into the race.

Stothert and her staffers said her campaign started getting more positive responses after Sanders’ appearance.


http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/city-election/bernie-sanders-campaigning-for-heath-mello-was-a-colossal-mistake/article_28603bdc-3591-11e7-93b9-137182190462.html

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
157. Paul Landow TOTALLY NAILED IT! Right on target! The things we do for vanity's sake and our own egos
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:22 PM
May 2017

... may "feel good" and may seem satisfying at the moment, but as is most often the case, it comes back to bite our asses if we're not careful. There's a sense of desperation and panic (??) that seems to be affecting people's ability to think clearly... or their ability to look further into the future and to anticipate possible outcomes.

There are a lot of mistakes being made. Errors in judgement and errors in expectations. I really like Perez, but I think he needs to reassess. I really like Schumer, but he needs to rethink things as well. If they're ACTUALLY in control, then they need to act like it and take firm hold of the reigns... and to GUIDE this party.

As a party, we cannot afford to continue to make vanity-based and ego-based mistakes. It's a waste of time and resources. There's NOT a good return on the investment, and losses like this help to illustrate the things that concern me the most. It's a mistake to just sit back and "hope for the best" and to hope that everyone has our party's best interests in mind.

We need people with a VISION and a PLAN... not people with a chips on their shoulders, filled with resentment and scores to settle. Still, I remain hopeful that things will turn around, and our DEMOCRATIC PARTY will find a way to grow stronger by listening to our OWN voices and our OWN conscience.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
151. Valient Effort! Thank you for trying. Often, these things
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:29 PM
May 2017

Take running more than once, getting and then keeping your name out there. Don't give up.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
169. You have to run in a way that suits your city...Mello is in a conservative area
Fri May 12, 2017, 09:58 AM
May 2017

and probably should not have asked for Sen. Sander's help...I had not considered that...I was just irritated at the endorsement of someone who voted for abortion limits, pipelines...etc. I wish Mello had won...he is better than any GOP despite his somewhat disappointing views...in a red state, you won't do better.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
174. I thought the same about Bernie's endorsement, but
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:46 PM
May 2017

There are a lot of liberals in Omaha and Lincoln, colleges, state employees, medical, Warren Buffet territory, and they have there own electoral votes...which Obama took.


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