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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:38 PM Sep 2015

Oregonians putting 'No Californians' stickers on for sale signs





Oregonians are fed up with the rising home prices in Portland and seem to think Californians are to blame.

"No Californians" stickers are mysteriously popping up on for sale signs in front homes that are on the market.

The stickers resemble a no smoking sign with a silhouette of the Golden State slashed out in red.

Realtor Lori Fenwick told The Oregonian that she learned about the trend when one of her buyers sent her a photo of a sign with one of the stickers. When Fenwick posted image on Facebook. she immediately heard from colleagues who had spotted the same sticker on signs.
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Oregonians putting 'No Californians' stickers on for sale signs (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 OP
I've heard that some people in Oregon and LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #1
The "Don't Californicate (State)" slogan has been used for decades Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #2
Yup. I remember the Californicate thing icymist Sep 2015 #3
Actually started late 1970's..... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #14
When visiting Utah I saw a sign there that stated.. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #62
Hatred of Californians has been going on in Washington for years. cpwm17 Sep 2015 #4
They can shove their state CountAllVotes Sep 2015 #29
the reason for the signs make no sense dsc Sep 2015 #5
Sellers aren't putting the stickers on 1939 Sep 2015 #9
oh that makes sense then. dsc Sep 2015 #12
The sellers are not leaving OR. former9thward Sep 2015 #45
25+ years ago in western Colorado kiva Sep 2015 #6
Problem is 1939 Sep 2015 #7
San Andreas will be like a hiccup compared moonscape Sep 2015 #15
Yeah. I've lived in both states. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #48
I also was in Loma Prieta - very moonscape Sep 2015 #64
It won't slide into the Pacific... JHB Sep 2015 #26
CA used to be an island, it will be again Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #27
Masshole is used by many in the Northeast dorkzilla Sep 2015 #61
they're not popular in the northern front range fizzgig Sep 2015 #37
It's not our fault that all those Oregonians and Washingtonians chose to petronius Sep 2015 #8
when people in the other 49 states want a fresh start they head to calif Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #39
The placement of the stickers is vandalism. virgogal Sep 2015 #10
deliverance hillbillies reddread Sep 2015 #11
when the Juan de Fuca plate slips Californians will help even those with hater stickers lol nt msongs Sep 2015 #13
Aw, isn't that cute? Iggo Sep 2015 #16
Housing is a huge issue in Portland right now. Elad Sep 2015 #17
growth is not inevitable... grasswire Sep 2015 #18
It's the anti-growth nimbys that's causing rents to skyrocket taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #20
no, it's not grasswire Sep 2015 #23
Interesting. Elad Sep 2015 #21
Here in my state teach me everything Sep 2015 #31
Portland is where the loser rejects from LA move to taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #19
The funny thing is when I think of Portland I don't think of hipsters Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #22
Inferior to Los Angeles? LoveIsNow Sep 2015 #32
Portland is a beautiful city with really progressive programs in place Cleita Sep 2015 #34
PORTLAND DOESN'T HAVE ~~FREE~~ PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. Tri Met costs $$ trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #58
Don't you? I haven't been there in fifteen years but it seems you once did. Cleita Sep 2015 #60
Yes, that is correct. There was a free zone downtown. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #40
I live in Portland. I've been to LA several times...You can keep it. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #49
Fuck Californians davidpdx Sep 2015 #24
Oh, yes. Please do. Iggo Sep 2015 #25
Now be nice... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #63
Except you davidpdx Sep 2015 #65
aww yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #66
Heard Oregon says in one way or another No to many types of people lunasun Sep 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #41
I live in Oregon and don't feel that way CanonRay Sep 2015 #30
thanks Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #38
sacramentans shanti Sep 2015 #70
The salmon are running right now in the Siuslaw at Florence CanonRay Sep 2015 #71
Nothing new. Back in the nineteen nineties the bumper Cleita Sep 2015 #33
people everywhere are sick of other people olddots Sep 2015 #35
Too bad Oregon can't move south Politicalboi Sep 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #42
I agree. Seems like almost half of the people I know here in Oregon (myself included) Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #50
Some VERY fragile California egos on display in this thread. pa28 Sep 2015 #43
Growing up in the west and living in many places I can say that this anti-California thing is as old Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #44
Oregon's beloved Gov. Tom McCall shared the "don't move here" sentiment oregonjen Sep 2015 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #56
I'm a Southern Californian who went to college in Portland. ellisonz Sep 2015 #47
We had a California-type summer in Portland this year. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #51
I tried to stay in Portland one summer. ellisonz Sep 2015 #54
Humidity? Really? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #59
I was going to say, 'fuck them-- how dare they generalize us'... but then I realized... Marr Sep 2015 #52
So Oregonian realtors dislike high prices on houses they sell? delrem Sep 2015 #53
It's not the realtors putting the stickers on the signs. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #55
OK - that makes more sense. delrem Sep 2015 #57
When the houses in Reseda (just an example) tripled in value in the late DiverDave Sep 2015 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #68
I'm sorry, Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #72

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
1. I've heard that some people in Oregon and
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:00 PM
Sep 2015

Washington call Californians "Californicators." There's even a bit of friction between southern and northern Californians. I guess I can understand how Oregonians and others feel about the rise in prices. People who live in coastal CA will have to look for other places to live. It's too expensive and there's the water shortage. People in OR don't want California's problems. I hope the signs are meant in jest, however. The signs are probably illegal and definitely in bad taste.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
2. The "Don't Californicate (State)" slogan has been used for decades
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:09 PM
Sep 2015

I think Arizona and Colorado both claim authorship.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,159 posts)
14. Actually started late 1970's.....
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:33 PM
Sep 2015

there were several waves, I remember late 70's/early 80's.

yuiyoshida

(45,409 posts)
62. When visiting Utah I saw a sign there that stated..
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:24 PM
Sep 2015

Don't Californicate Utah. Some people found it funny, but I didn't much care for it. Haters gotta hate...

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
4. Hatred of Californians has been going on in Washington for years.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:19 PM
Sep 2015

They blame Californians for many of their problems - including crime.

With my California plates at the time, I had my car vandalized while hiking a trail in north-central Washington in the mid 1990's. I heard gun shots by my car and I came back to find it keyed and smeared with mud, the only crime I've ever experienced in all my many travels around the US.

CountAllVotes

(22,215 posts)
29. They can shove their state
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:38 AM
Sep 2015

With its quarter mile limit on cutting ...

As for the rest of it, yep, driven off the road in Oregon in the 1990s by some farmer. Guess he didn't like my CA plates.

1939

(1,683 posts)
9. Sellers aren't putting the stickers on
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:30 PM
Sep 2015

Folks that eventually want to be at lower prices are doing it.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
45. The sellers are not leaving OR.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:58 PM
Sep 2015

They are going to be buying somewhere else in the state. I am not saying the signs make any financial sense in the big picture but its mainly a FU type of thing.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
6. 25+ years ago in western Colorado
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:23 PM
Sep 2015

this was exactly the sentiment. Americans have every right to move to another state and pay however much they choose for a house, but the influx did lead to rising housing costs but without a corresponding raise in wages...Californians were not popular in Grand Junction.

1939

(1,683 posts)
7. Problem is
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

when the San Andreas fault cracks and California slides into the Pacific, too many of her population will get off in time.

BTW, I understand that New Hampshire residents call the invaders from the south "Massholes".

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
15. San Andreas will be like a hiccup compared
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:40 PM
Sep 2015

to when the Cascadia ruptures. Then, Oregonians will be flocking to CA, welcoming the San Andreas with open arms.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
48. Yeah. I've lived in both states.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:12 PM
Sep 2015

In Oregon now, and while I don't miss the frequent quakes here (I was in the '89 Loma Prieta/World Series quake), I am getting to be a bit of a canned food hoarder thinking about the Cascadia subduction zone disaster that might await us.

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
64. I also was in Loma Prieta - very
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:15 PM
Sep 2015

close to the fault and had a lot of damage - and trauma! As my place shook and things were crashing around me, me braced in the doorway, I was quite sure it was The Big One and my home was going to crumble into the river below. The aftershocks as you know were big and unnerving.

I was okay with earth tremors up until then ... and ironically, am now looking at moving to Oregon, but not thinking along the coastal area. I asked the realtor if Oregon would accept yet another Californian, and how could I get license plates before moving!

JHB

(38,211 posts)
26. It won't slide into the Pacific...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

...part of it will just slide closer to Oregon.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
27. CA used to be an island, it will be again
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:09 AM
Sep 2015






(n.b. above is an example of a map illustrating the long held, mistaken notion that baja California was an island)

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
61. Masshole is used by many in the Northeast
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:19 PM
Sep 2015

But that term started because of their notoriously bad driving habits. Statistically, they were ranked as the U.S.'s worst drivers for years although I don't think they still hold that title. But the name stuck.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
37. they're not popular in the northern front range
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:40 PM
Sep 2015

i've lived here my whole life and have been hearing about it for as long as i can remember.

petronius

(26,696 posts)
8. It's not our fault that all those Oregonians and Washingtonians chose to
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

live in our backyard - they have only themselves to blame...


msongs

(73,752 posts)
13. when the Juan de Fuca plate slips Californians will help even those with hater stickers lol nt
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:33 PM
Sep 2015

Iggo

(49,927 posts)
16. Aw, isn't that cute?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:59 PM
Sep 2015

I remember back in the late 70s the hilarious one-two bumper sticker punch: "WELCOME TO CALIFORNIA. NOW GO HOME" and "WHEN YOU LEAVE CALIFORNIA, TAKE SOMEONE WITH YOU."

Yeah, good times.

Elad

(11,411 posts)
17. Housing is a huge issue in Portland right now.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:34 PM
Sep 2015

When I moved here 10 years ago I got a 600 sq ft apartment in the heart of what is now a heavily gentrified popular part of town for $530. Similar aparments in this area are now about $1,200. My old ones were converted to condos.

Real estate prices have skyrocketed in all the desirable parts of town, pricing out the former apartment dwellers that can't afford their aparments anymore.

Like it or not tons of people are moving here and they're not all from California. Like me, a lot of them are from the Midwest. But the perception, fair or not, is that the culture the Californians bring with them is having a negative effect on neighborhoods.

Favorite dive bars are being replaced with fancy wine bars, cheap cafes with $15/plate restaurants, and old houses are being torn down to build more condos/giant luxury homes that don't fit into the neighborhood.

All that is happening, but personally I don't think the growth is a bad thing. I might be biased because I do own a home in one of those desirable neighborhoods that I managed to get in on right before the market got really insane, but who knows. I do, however, think there is a difference between young migrants coming to a place they were looking to find other out-of-the-box thinkers (much like me ten years ago) vs. wealthy migrants coming in and trying to turn neighborhoods into cheaper versions of wherever they came from because the money they made selling their houses in more expensive areas allows them to live like kings here. No matter where those people are coming from.

But bottom line is it is happening so, well, get used to it or find somewhere else to live.

This cartoon was going around Facebook recently and sums it up nicely.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
18. growth is not inevitable...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:45 PM
Sep 2015

...and the destruction of beautiful established neighborhoods is strongly resented. All for the buck in the developer's pocket (and maybe one in the pocket of the city council, too).

Look to the example of Petaluma California as a model for restricting growth. In the 1970s, Petaluma took steps to limit permits for new housing drastically. The city's right to do this was upheld in court all the way to the Supreme Court, which refused to hear the action against Petaluma.

Growth is not inevitable. Not everyone who wants to move to a particular city has any right to do so if there is no room for growth or desire of the populace for it (as expressed through elected city council members).

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
20. It's the anti-growth nimbys that's causing rents to skyrocket
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:51 PM
Sep 2015

It's really a pathetic "I got mine fuck you all" mentality.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
23. no, it's not
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:31 AM
Sep 2015

It's the unregulated influx of people and the willingness to destroy neighborhoods AND affordable housing in order to accommodate people who have sold their homes for profit elsewhere. Where do you think the 400,000 people expected to migrate here in the near future are going to live???

We need to STOP thinking we must assimiilate all those people. It just can't be done without destroying the city as far as liveability is concerned.

Elad

(11,411 posts)
21. Interesting.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

I don't see that happening in Portland, but it is interesting. We do have an urban growth boundary which limits sprawl, but the metro governing body gets to review it every 5 years and has the right to expand it.

 
31. Here in my state
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

we are already house hunting, and many of them are priced out of our range. I'm hoping we'll get some help - we have spotted a nice little house not too far from where we live (about a half a mile away) that is 3br 3ba, beautiful kitchen, for about $369k. Most houses nearby are already at high 600k to 2 million for houses in a nicer neighborhood.

People are moving in because we have one of the top 10 best cities to live and work for. Condos, apartments and houses are being built EVERYWHERE. You can't even step outside of anywhere without seeing something being built - that's the truth. And because of that, the costs of house/condo ownership or apartment rentals has gone up. It's surreal.



 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
19. Portland is where the loser rejects from LA move to
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:49 PM
Sep 2015

Guys (mostly wannabe hipster toolbags) who cannot hack it in Los Angeles move there. Portland, as a city, is inferior to Los Angeles in every way. No wonder they don't want our rejects moving in.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
22. The funny thing is when I think of Portland I don't think of hipsters
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:17 AM
Sep 2015

I think of roaming meth addicts that look like Nick Nolte's famous mugshot and towing scams. How many blocks is "Portlandia" anyways?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Portland is a beautiful city with really progressive programs in place
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:11 PM
Sep 2015

like free public transportation. LA is run by rich people for rich people. I was quite happy to leave after living there for forty years. I've never been back and I left in 1992.

trueblue2007

(19,251 posts)
58. PORTLAND DOESN'T HAVE ~~FREE~~ PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. Tri Met costs $$
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:22 PM
Sep 2015

we have NO free public transportation and never have had FREE transportation. have lived here 50+ years.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
60. Don't you? I haven't been there in fifteen years but it seems you once did.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:03 PM
Sep 2015
http://trimet.org/alerts/farechanges.htm

No more Free Rail Zone

It's the end of an era. As of September 1, MAX Light Rail and Portland Streetcar service in Downtown Portland and the Lloyd District (the Free Rail Zone) is no longer free.

Ending the Free Rail Zone is another cost-saving measure we identified in an effort to close our budget gap without cutting essential service. We're sad to see it go, but we estimate this change will generate nearly $3 million annually—money that will help us preserve existing bus and rail service.

There are other good reasons, too. While free transit has become a hallmark of Portland's tourist-friendly city center, our region has changed dramatically since "Fareless Square" was first introduced back in 1975. We no longer have the air quality issues that prompted the creation of the free zone, and the transit system has expanded significantly since then. Plus, we want to provide equitable service throughout the region, and the Free Rail Zone was a benefit exclusive to Downtown Portland and the Lloyd District.


Too bad. It made your city better.
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
69. Yes, that is correct. There was a free zone downtown.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 01:30 PM
Sep 2015

Too bad that is no longer the case.

Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #19)

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
24. Fuck Californians
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:52 AM
Sep 2015

(before you go and hit the alert button, realize the irony that I myself was born in California)

Response to lunasun (Reply #28)

CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
30. I live in Oregon and don't feel that way
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

California is a overwhelmingly Dem state, and I'll take all the extra Dem votes I can get up here. I've met some real nice newcomers from California. We're especially having an influx from around Sacramento currently,

shanti

(21,799 posts)
70. sacramentans
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:43 PM
Sep 2015

yup, that will be me in a few don't want to live in portland though. i prefer the countryside, around salem/eugene, but must be near a salmon river or tributary.

CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
71. The salmon are running right now in the Siuslaw at Florence
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:45 PM
Sep 2015

only an hour from Eugene....

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
33. Nothing new. Back in the nineteen nineties the bumper
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:06 PM
Sep 2015

sticker du jour was "DON'T CALIFORNICATE OREGON!" This Californian still loves Oregon and Oregonians anyway. However, we can't change what happens in Oregon. It's still up to Oregonians to put the elected officials in place who will make policy that will stop any trends they don't like including in their real estate market.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
35. people everywhere are sick of other people
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:26 PM
Sep 2015

Poryland is called New Brooklyn ,Brooklyn is called New Whatever .Lofts were once factories .

The natives everywhere are restless = 7 billion plus gentrifiers and destroyers .

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
36. Too bad Oregon can't move south
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:32 PM
Sep 2015

Somewhere in between Texass and Floridah. Let's see if those states would support tourism for Oregon. Without Ca gold rush who knows if Oregon would even be a state. Ca is 9 years older than Oregon.

Response to Politicalboi (Reply #36)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
50. I agree. Seems like almost half of the people I know here in Oregon (myself included)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:15 PM
Sep 2015

have spent part of their life in California at some point.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
43. Some VERY fragile California egos on display in this thread.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:01 PM
Sep 2015

Guys. It's a sticker.

Most of us like you and want to be your friend.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
44. Growing up in the west and living in many places I can say that this anti-California thing is as old
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:41 PM
Sep 2015

as California.

Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and even Utah have harped on Californian immigrants to their states since I can remember.

Housing is getting ridiculous in Portland, I don't think Californians are to blame though.

Everyone wants to live near the best basketball team in the country!

Oh and we have legal weed now, so suck it CA. I am only kidding!

oregonjen

(3,643 posts)
46. Oregon's beloved Gov. Tom McCall shared the "don't move here" sentiment
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:04 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.opb.org/artsandlife/article/former-governor-tom-mccall-message-visitors/

Referring to Oregon’s tourist industry in a 1971 speech, McCall may have first publicly voiced his famous “Come visit, don’t stay” slogan: “I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven’s sake, don’t move here to live.”

My grandpa’s father moved the family to Oregon from a hard scrabble part of Long Beach, California to look for construction work when my grandpa was about 5 years old,” continues Mike. “When I was young, my grandpa told me stories about his father’s car (while parked at job sites) repeatedly having its windows smashed and tires slashed by other workers who were infuriated that a Californian would be picked for a job over an Oregon native. He eventually began hiding his vehicle several miles from job sites until he was able to get Oregon plates. So our family certainly knows about the anti-outsider sentiment that fueled McCall’s policies!”

Response to oregonjen (Reply #46)

ellisonz

(27,776 posts)
47. I'm a Southern Californian who went to college in Portland.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:11 PM
Sep 2015

Portland can keep its lack of sun, sea and Mexican food. I haven't looked back after graduation.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
51. We had a California-type summer in Portland this year.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:18 PM
Sep 2015

HOT. And DRY.

I kept thinking: "Wow, I remember one reason I wanted to get out of Cali." Everything was parched, brown, dusty, and dying, just like I remember California summers. The rain came back though -- hooray!

But, ya know, different strokes ...

ellisonz

(27,776 posts)
54. I tried to stay in Portland one summer.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:21 PM
Sep 2015

THE HUMIDITY WAS HORRIBLE

How do you do without air conditioning?

We will steal your water eventually!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
59. Humidity? Really?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:46 PM
Sep 2015

I think it's usually a dry heat. But, then, I've also lived in the Midwest and East Coast too, and that is some major humidity right there.

We don't have AC, but we do have a grove of giant trees shading us and also fans and also a cool downstairs. There are a few days, though, when I reeeeeeally want AC.

You are probably right about the water! I loooooove our tap water -- straight from Mt. Hood. So delish!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
52. I was going to say, 'fuck them-- how dare they generalize us'... but then I realized...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:36 PM
Sep 2015

...they're probably seeing mostly northern Californians.

Yeah, those guys are all dicks.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
53. So Oregonian realtors dislike high prices on houses they sell?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:11 PM
Sep 2015

Since the homeowners looking to sell also agree that high prices are a bad thing, why don't they just drop their prices arbitrarily and see how that works out?

Something about this doesn't make sense.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
55. It's not the realtors putting the stickers on the signs.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:31 PM
Sep 2015

It's people coming by later and doing it.

Portlander here...and I've seen a couple of these stickers.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
57. OK - that makes more sense.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:49 PM
Sep 2015

Scapegoating.

People do like to focus their anger on easily identifiable groups - even if the focus is misplaced.

DiverDave

(5,245 posts)
67. When the houses in Reseda (just an example) tripled in value in the late
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:18 AM
Sep 2015

'70's a lot of folks cashed in.
some weren't as laid back as their neighbors.
The Ungreeting card I liked the best was "last year 546 people fell off their bikes in Oregon, then the inside said "and drowned"
The resentment of folks that just didn't get they weren't in the city anymore was thick.
One guy shot and killed a fisherman on a boat in a fishing hole in front of his house, claiming it was "his".
This was the Rogue river. Which is legal to fish from a boat....
So, yeah, people didn't like Californian's.

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Original post)

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
72. I'm sorry,
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 05:39 PM
Sep 2015

isn't it the seller who determines the price? How is that Californians' fault?

Too bad. I was planning on going to Oregon on vacation next year. Staying in one of the parks with the Yurts. Oh well, lots of other places to spend my tourist dollars.

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