Woman reveals crushing oppression of life under ISIS terror in video shot from under her niqab

[Liberal_in_LA]

Living under the ISIS terror: Woman reveals crushing oppression of life in fundamentalist regime in video shot from under her niqab

The unidentified woman captures rare glimpse into life in new regime
She is approached by gunman who berate her for showing face
Women are also seen with Kalashnikovs slung over their shoulders
French women are seen speaking to worried relatives at home


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[randome]

1. Doesn't matter because...Bush, Junior!

Because it costs money to stop ISIS!

Because it's really none of our business how people are subjugated!

Because...some previous CIA guys did some bad things, too!

Because...fighting is hard!
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[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. You dropped your strawman. nt

[randome]

4. Every one of those arguments has been made. They aren't made of straw.

But they don't add up to much, either. Whatever our motivations and whatever the outcome, what ISIS is doing is much, much worse than this woman's experience. Beheading strangers, kidnapping girls.

I have no problem with wiping them from the face of the Earth. To the extent where anyone with half a brain cell would never dare call themselves part of ISIS.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. Exactly zero of those arguments were made in this OP.

There's not a better working definition of a strawman than what you've provided here. If you wish to talk about what others are discussing in other threads, it would be useful for you to either provide antecedents, or actually post in the threads that concern your points.

[randome]

16. All those arguments would eventually have been made.

I just saved everyone the time of posting them.
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[DisgustipatedinCA]

18. Good. Here's a virtual cookie. You earned it. nt

[wyldwolf]

6. explain, then, the 'progressive' position against defeating ISIS

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. I have no idea. Why are you asking?

I was responding to a strawman argument, which in turn was responding to the OP. The OP does a decent job of showing us what a bunch of dickheads ISIS is--almost as bad as the Saudis. The OP has nothing at all to do with our military engagement against ISIS.

I've probably started 50 threads dealing with what an asshole Dick Cheney is. In NONE of those threads did I forward a plan to go do bodily harm to him. These are very different things. I'm pretty sure every last person on this site would agree that the Islamic State is a bunch of losers. But of course, that doesn't mean everyone has the same opinion about what should be done about them.

So you can go find someone else to be the spokesperson for all progressives, and you can attack that person. I'm not playing the game. I posted in order to point out a strawman argument that was being made. I successfully and incontrovertibally did that, so unless the spirit moves me, I'm done here.

[wyldwolf]

15. what you called 'straw man' is the exact arguments being used by many on DU

So I figured if you think they misrepresent 'progressive' arguments against the war, you could set us straight.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. The only argument forwarded in the OP is that ISIS are bad guys.

You and the other poster are referring to other threads, threads I'm not involved with. Good luck.

[wyldwolf]

19. you knew enough about the other threads to call the post "straw man"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

21. I'm not inclined to deal with this buffoonery.

Read this and then don't get back to me: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[wyldwolf]

25. "the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument."

No arguments have been misrepresented.

[Recursion]

31. Find a workable plan with obtainable military objectives to defeat ISIS and ask a 'progressive'?

I'm hardly a dove philosophically, I just don't see any obtainable military objectives here or any way that we will make the situation better through military action.

[cali]

9. yes it matters, but I don't think what we're doing will be effective

In fact, I think it's counterproductive. The history that matters isn't whether CIA guys have done bad stuff, it's that our history of military intervention in the region has failed massively. and yes, history counts.

oh, and boko haram? the DRC? and all the other places in the world where people are terribly oppressed?

Oh, and yes, how much it costs, particularly in the context of what we'll have to sacrifice for it, is of consequence- at least to people suffering here. You do know that people in these United States suffer, right?

[randome]

14. Take that up with the House. You know I agree we have pressing issues here, right?

People here don't need to suffer at all if Conservatives would get off their lazy asses and agree to do something about them. Right now we're stuck with Conservatives and the Middle East is stuck with ISIS.

We could use an intervention of our own. Won't someone bomb the House of Representatives? I'd be in favor of that. Maybe not until the House starts beheading people.
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[freshwest]

23. Now you've gone and done it!

[randome]

2. Because being nice always stops the bad guys!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[RandiFan1290]

5. Saudi Arabia? nt

[randome]

7. We should be doing a hell of a lot more in that area, as well.

Saudi Arabia doesn't have the same urgency as ISIS but I would be in favor of using all our trading power to advocate for greater equality.

That's the kind of 'crusade' I could get behind: either loosen your restrictions or we'll stop trading with you.
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[SomethingFishy]

22. Why isn't Saudi Arabia as "urgent" as ISIS?

Because they are nice to us while they are stoning women for adultery?


When exactly do we start doing something about the Saudi's?

[randome]

27. They're beheading their own so they're keeping it 'in the family'?

I wish we would do more to advocate for equal rights everywhere. We're powerful enough financially and militarily to do that, although forcing our military on otherwise peaceful countries would likely backfire.

ISIS is not a country and not peaceful so...

The only difference between SA and ISIS is that SA is abiding by their laws, as warped as they are. ISIS cares nothing for law.
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[SomethingFishy]

28. Wow, well we obviously come from different places.

While I am totally opposite in the way I think(keeping it in the family? kinda fucked up in my view) I do see you having a reasoned argument.... As much as I disagree , so let me ask you why ISIS is so urgent.

They have money and income. I see that. What they don't have are people. 30,000? That's not an army it's a concert audience. Weapons? They had one tank they managed to steal, but we blew the shit out of it with an air strike.

Beheadings? Cops are shooting black kids on an almost daily basis right here at home. Yeah a bullet from a cop doesn't grab your attention like cutting off a reporters head, but it's the same outcome.

Protection at home? Seriously? Please tell me you aren't in Lindsay Graham "They're coming to get us in South Carolina!" land..

I just don't get it. Any reasonable cause I can find just makes us hypocrites for kissing the hand of Saudi Arabia.

I keep looking for who asked for our help. I know Rwanda did and we ignored them. Somalia too. But did someone say "come to Syria and help us take our town back from ISIS?

This is with all respect to your opinion... It's kind of nice to have it out with someone who can present a reasoned argument and remain clam and friendly

[SomethingFishy]

11. Well, Saudi Arabia is bad too, now that we are talking about ISIS.

As soon as the ISIS threat is gone Saudi Arabia will come to the USA and get their hand kissed.

Either the numbers for ISIS "membership" are stupidly underestimated or we are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

[RandiFan1290]

13. She wouldn't be out alone in Saudi Arabia.

[Uncle Joe]

8. That woman risked her life to video this and get it out.

Thanks for the thread, Liberal_in_LA.

[951-Riverside]

20. How come its not a big deal when Saudi Arabia does this? n/t

[Doctor_J]

24. It might have something to do with the fact that the Bush family is BFF with the Saudi

royalty. Or that could be a coincidence.

[Doctor_J]

26. Well, in that case let's commit 10 trillion!

It won't do a fucking thing, of course, but it will make the Repukes, MIC, and BOG feel great

[BrotherIvan]

30. Memes! It will buy more BOG memes!

[customerserviceguy]

29. And the Muslim faction

that we might possibly help succeed over ISIS is SOOO much more enlightened when it comes to equal rights for women.

They're all cut out of the same cloth, it's just a matter of which faction is the boogeyman at any particular time.

[cali]

32. sounds much like life for women in Saudi Arabia