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gab13by13

(33,140 posts)
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:33 AM 7 hrs ago

Is NATO In Danger Today

The strength, the glue that holds NATO together is the clause that states, an attack on 1 member is an attack on all members.

Was thinking about this, is Krasnov going to say that the US will not abide by that clause, that the US will decide on its own what country it will aid?

If Krasnov does this, will that be the end of NATO as we know it?

I heard Rachel last night suggest this scenario.

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Is NATO In Danger Today (Original Post) gab13by13 7 hrs ago OP
That tracks. FalloutShelter 7 hrs ago #1
I could see that. no_hypocrisy 7 hrs ago #2
If the past 5 years has shown anything Boo1 7 hrs ago #6
Absolutely -misanthroptimist 6 hrs ago #8
I think so... 2naSalit 7 hrs ago #3
I think NATO is about to wash their hands of shithole and the US.................... Lovie777 7 hrs ago #4
some of these people are quite intelligent rampartd 7 hrs ago #5
Europe doesn't need us -misanthroptimist 6 hrs ago #7
I hear all of the positive responses, gab13by13 6 hrs ago #9
No Fiendish Thingy 6 hrs ago #10
NATO will be fine without Trump. ananda 6 hrs ago #11

no_hypocrisy

(55,845 posts)
2. I could see that.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:37 AM
7 hrs ago

Putin marches back into East Germany to "re-claim" it and Trump will say, "Well, Germany didn't pay the expected protection money. Let Russia take what it wants."

Boo1

(715 posts)
6. If the past 5 years has shown anything
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:45 AM
7 hrs ago

Its that Germany would fuck up Russia on its own. Same for Poland, Same of Sweden. I could go on.

-misanthroptimist

(2,095 posts)
8. Absolutely
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:58 AM
6 hrs ago

Russia has burned through virtually all of its best tanks. They can't establish air superiority over Ukraine. Nor can they defend their own airspace. Their navy is a complete joke -they've lost two (2) submarines to a nation without a real navy. Additionally, their Black Sea fleet has had to re-base further away from Ukraine and is basically sidelined.

Russian-occupied Crimea has no fuel, very little electricity, and no viable way to re-supply.

Russia has suffered 1.4 million casualties.

Russia isn't strong enough to invade Europe with any hope of success. Of course, that doesn't mean the idiots won't try, but if they do they will regret it in very, very short order.

2naSalit

(105,248 posts)
3. I think so...
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:40 AM
7 hrs ago

But I also think that the rest of NATO has come up with an alliance that does not include us. They don't need our weapons of war anymore, those have become obsolete because of the masterful innovations of the Ukrainians.

If pooty told stupid to bully Zelenskyy and pooty is willing to attack a NATO member, like Rachel speculated, that's a major issue for the alliance. I think NATO has prepared for this possibility.

Lovie777

(24,668 posts)
4. I think NATO is about to wash their hands of shithole and the US....................
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:42 AM
7 hrs ago

shithole can't arbitrary leave NATO tho, and I don't congress will.

-misanthroptimist

(2,095 posts)
7. Europe doesn't need us
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:52 AM
6 hrs ago

Ukraine has proven that beyond any reasonable doubt. Any attack on Europe will end Russia...quickly.

gab13by13

(33,140 posts)
9. I hear all of the positive responses,
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 09:01 AM
6 hrs ago

but NATO would be much stronger with the former United States as a member. The United States we have now may even degrade NATO, it would certainly vote No to make Ukraine a member.

I must admit though, that Krasnov has unified NATO

Fiendish Thingy

(24,651 posts)
10. No
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 09:06 AM
6 hrs ago

The only thing in danger is the US’s status in the international community.

Trump will say whatever he thinks will garner the most attention.

It doesn’t matter, because right now, who might attack NATO?

Not Russia- Putin is busy losing a war to Ukraine, and unless he’s going to start sending squadrons of babushkas armed with rolling pins into the Baltic states, NATO has nothing to worry about for the next couple of years.

Meanwhile NATO nations are boosting their defense spending and independence from the US war machine.

Anything Trump does at the conference will be for the theatre of his own mind.

ananda

(35,918 posts)
11. NATO will be fine without Trump.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 09:11 AM
6 hrs ago

I read earlier in the month that countries
have been preparing for this.

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